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So you think its justice what mundil got done just for GBH ? are you for real? Read the dailymail comments page and see the amount of white british people who disagree with this verdict too. You seem to have some twisted sick agenda of defaming gagandips memory without hard cold facts.

What was your reason for being at the court room then? Theres thousands of Sikhs who are following this case with interest but we do not go to the public gallery to view this case what made you go? if you are telling the truth which i suspect you are not.... you are truly as your name suggests 'ConfusedAndFloating' If your brother or father was murdered in similar circumstances and someone like you went around spreading rumours that he raped other women and he was a rapist. I doubt you would be well pleased with that person

so you were in the court room im assuming as you are a friend of mundil so have vested interests in defaming Gagandip and his reputation and spreading rumours that he is a rapist. Thats a pretty sick and twisted thing to do. I have no connection to gagandip I just have followed the case with interest and I can spot injustice when I see it.

Most females are like sheep they have an herd mentality...dalsingh you are correct female psychology is very complicated indeed especially these days as we live in an age where they are given mixed messages and multi-cultures where different values are impressed upon them. If you look at muslim women they are subjugated, submissive and explicitly told they are lower beings in all but name compared to men who are head of the households and most of they accept it and adhere to it. In Sikhism there is no expressed directions for women to behave as lower beings so most females take advantage of it they do not realise how lucky they are things will only change when they were forced to live in a sharia operated area's or country like afghanistan or saudi,etc Then they will be brought back to their senses and see the value of our ancestors who sacrificed everything including their lives for Sikhism so they could have their rights they take for granted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-sY5kByGT4

I think its very important that we do not brush these topics under the carpet we do need to tackle hard issues you are right. And kaam is everywhere, it is natural for a person to fall in love with another we all need someone in our life to make us feel human however there is a right way and a wrong way about going things....certainly people are only human they do often take the wrong way in life but its important to learn from past mistakes so not to do them again....unfortunately gagandip has had that chance taken away from him by his brutal murder at the hands of mundil and co

You are calling him a rapist, how are you not giving him a bad name? Where is your evidence you talk about these singhnia if you are a woman worth your reputation you would present such evidence without giving us fairy tales of these so called singhnia who he did this too. If they felt it important enough to share it with you surely they would have reported it?? You are committing a big sin by defaming a deceased guy with vile accusations who is not able to defend himself yet mundil is still alive and can make up any accusation she wishes. Do you have any connections to mundil?

I think you should tell your singhnia to go to the police if that is the case, we do not tolerate rapists. If you are truthful and are not as vile as mundil then you will tell these singhnia to report it. So we can see who is telling the truth and willing to put their reputation on the line and not anonymously hiding on forums trying to defame a deceased valued member of the community.

Let me clarify that statement for you....I'm saying i believe he did not attempt to rape from the evidence i've seen. Some members are painting a picture of him saying he did attempt to rape her and he is a rapist i think such accusations are vile as we do not tolerate rapists but we have to look at the context of the "attempted rape" that is being claimed. This is what i think happened an emotionally vulnerable man who thinks a woman loves him makes a pass at her in the heat of the moment....and she rejects him....he is taken a back and this is the so called "attempted rape" that mundil has used because she knows she will get sympathy and be given a lighter sentence. If he attempted to rape her she should have gone to the police why lure a guy into your flat and have him beaten? I think his consent steam of texts and calls wanting her is what drove her to do this, she probably wanted him off her back for good. He was besotted in love with her and paid for her university fee's, etc.

The uprisings in Egypt and Syria are genuine but they are often driven and hijacked by salafist islamo-fascist people who want to topple one dictatorship and replace it with their own dark islamic ideology of shariah. The people want freedom but it often takes the zeal of nutjobs from the muslim fundamentalists to carry out armed attacks and determined protests against these regimes this is why the west funds them because the democratic and freedom loving protesters do not have the drive and stamina to topple these governments.

IF gagandip did attempt to rape mundil then it wasnt out of malice it was out of his deep heart felt love and affection for her. Remember his father was shot dead he was emtionally vulnerable state he clung onto mundil thinking she would be there for him but she turned out to be a devil in disguise who invites men over to her yard. Which decent girl invites men over to stay over at her place? None all women who do that are the type to sleep around and not of good character you can ask anyone who has been to university or lived out these women are scumbags who sleep around and when it comes to marriage they claim they are virgin. As for he raped other women, where is the evidence? there is none people just want to bash his reputation and memory because they have connections to this vile she-devil mundil. I have no connections to gagandip but i can see who did so much for Sikhi and who didnt,...and on that basis mundil is not only a murderer but she has taken away a person who was doing alot for the British Sikh community. May people like mundil rot in nark and their families realise the scum they brought up as we do not need these type of vile women in our community it is these kind of women that are trying to destory the future of Sikhi and contributing nothing towards it.

You lack education on the matter im afraid. If you researched the background to the uprising you will see that it was al-qaeda type Islam-fascists who hate democracy, freedom. human and womens rights and want to impose sharia that tried to break free from gaddaffi's ideology. You have a mix of former king loyalists but eh hardcore of those in bengazi were al-qaeda militants funded by the west especially M16 and CIA along with the french who supplied them with modern weaponry, tactics and other materials along with bombing gadaffi's defence units in an un warranted and unfair use of air firepower. Majority of those fighting in iraq carrying out bombings killing innocents and what not are from Libyan and Saudi descent, gadaffi imprisoned them on the request of the west. But the western governments can never be trusted and are not honourable they double crossed him and he paid the ultimate price something which Iran and Noth Korea learnt from and developing their nuclear defence, which gadaffi was doing before the west asked him to side them in war against terrorism after 9/11. Maybe your too young to remember but British Military foreign unit (M16) has long been trying to assassinate gaddaffi and even funded these islamo-fascist terrorists to attack gadaffi where civilians died in 1996 and he survived. So the west is aiding and abetting islamic terrorists but these jihadi terrorists dont care who funds them as long as they get their goals of imposing shariah. And you have to look at it like a chessboard now all the positions are in place, if an islamo-fascist was to attack the west from these islamic backward nations then it would give the west another pre-text to hit the people of that country and take over their resources (usually oil)

was wondering why new post and topic i put up didnt show.

This is why Sikhism is so great our guru's taught humanity the right path by looking to serve and share with humanity as Guru Nanak preached and the 10th master gave us the religious right to bare arms so if such an event was to occur where an evil government or authority were to threaten or oppress people..... Khalsa Sikhs could rise up and take authority by the use of force. Without such rights people are helpless and are slaves to the system. Are we to follow the great and pious souls of our Guru's or elected corrupt officials who screw their supporters over day in day out who are in turn slaves to the kings of the power financial pyramid.

all your taxes dollars pounds etc are filling the coffers of the khazar jew rothschild banking debt creating interest charging master criminal family along with other evil criminal 'elitist' families who horde the wealth that could help humanity if they were good human beings unfortunately they are the opposite.

Interesting Videos the scale of western governments terrorism and opportunism to exploit oil and other riches of foreign lands...we still have not left the dark old days of the colonial era. Iran and north korea are next in line of the master terrorist criminal rothschild banking cabals crossairs. If we are not careful and wake up very soon the world will be a prison to those who wish to speak out against one world government oppression and enslavement.

should we keep silent on predatory groomers & conversions tactics of anti-sikh people trying to ruin lives of sikh girls too? We as a community should be free to express how we feel about the trial and any injustice we perceive. Sure personal attacks are not good and one should avoid any against deceased members especially. But people should be free to have their say on these cases. Keeping silent is injustice in itself.

Whats your theory? Seems to me to be either an a disused gernade gone off or a firecracker/dynamite stick gone off unexpectedly or was it a bomb?

The only solution is to put pressure on elected officials is to not propose such draconian measures. Sikhs have a long history of mass disobedience and agitations and that spirit needs to be brought back. To court arrest in protests against unjust reassures and policies should be seen as a badge of honour not something to be ashamed or scared of.

Its an important case that needs to be discussed not brushed under the carpet like some want it to. Mundil and her co accused have committed murder and the biased British justice system has once showed it is inept at delivering justice. I remember reading a case of a black girl who lured a teenage black boy in a gang land honey trap attack in which the boy died as a result of her entrapment... i believe she got done for murder along with her co-accused and now is servring a life sentence. This mundil disgrace of a human being will be out in 2-5years? for organising the murder of an important young and inspiring figure in the Sikh community. I believe the motive for gagandip being murdered was his constant pestering of mundils affections (he was most probably emotionally vulnerable due to his fathers murder)...she having had enough probably decided to have him beaten good to get him off her back..... she most likely lied about the rape attempt and get gagandips love rival all the more reason to attack gagandip..... but she didnt realise how far it would go....either-way she organised the whole event thus must be held responsible for his murder for ever.

"Mahil, from Maidstone road in Chatham, Kent, was convicted of causing grievous bodily harm." she'll get maximum around 5years? and out in about 2years... there is no justice there. Seems like gagandeep was obsessed with her more so brought on by the murder of his father and needing someone to be there for him and this Mundill Mahil girl lured him to his murder. All three are guilty of murder in my view it was a pre-meditated and planned attack to take cause him serious harm resulting in his death.

Perhaps we need a protest or activist pressure group to force changes made to how gurdwara committees conduct themselves so that they look out for the wider interests of the Sikh community throughout the uk and internationally rather than their locality. This way we do not neglect our own when they need our help we can pull resources together and help them.

These afghan sikhs who fled afghanistan and now living in the west or india and who are not helping their fellow afghanis are a disgrace. I've chatted to a few of their off spring and they have no love or passion to help their own or get the wider community involved in raising awareness of the plight of those left in afghanistan. Either they are ignorantly bliss like the wider Sikh community or they are deliberately turning a blind eye....we shouldnt be..... we have a duty to help our own (the Sikh community which ever nation they belong to) first.

Isnt it shameful how we are living our lives without reaching out to our own yet give to charity to help others. Who are looking after the interests and welfare of our Afghan Sikh brothers and sisters? They are treated like animals and 3rd class citizens in their own homeland. Afghanistan is there home, not india, not uk, elsewhere we should have our sikh charities (like Khalsa Aid) solely giving aid to our people first rather than going to crazy places like Libya and Africa where no one will convert to Sikhism or care for Sikhs. That aid has gone and been used up while our brothers and sisters who are holding up the flag and love for Sikhi in Afghanistan live a life of misery abandoned by their own......shameful. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-17146273

Can some learned members tell us how many wives did Guru Har Rai and Guru Hargobind have ?