Fat Albert

After the contest, Lakhmir Singh said, "It's painful to see Sikh boys cutting their hair. I will work to promote my culture and persuade others to adhere to the religion." Another contestant, Hardeep Singh, 26, said he felt Sikhs had not got their due in Bollywood. "Sardars are always shown as jokers and comedians in films," he said. "We want to show the world what we have to offer," he said. You're right, pure stupidity...

thats awesome. Don't know of too many people that would want to mess with this cop.

I don't get it... what's so funny? sounds like a good producer

Fat Albert See my post earlier in this thread. I have no issue with gelling but because Guru Granth Sahib Ji or scriptures are silent on something does not make it OK. Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not say "don't risk kids lives by speeding around schoolgrounds". This does not mean speeding around schoolgrounds is OK. You can have your opinion and that is fine. You say you like the more "groomed" look and suggest there is argument about the term "groomed". You have had an opportunity to read my post earlier regarding the term. You are right that it is not my business whether a man gels his beard. I don't care. But what a man suggests about the free flowing beard of a Sikh is my business. Have the humility to recognize NOT necessarily a weakness of your faith, BUT the sadness of your entrenched perspective. Were either Guru Nanak Dev Ji or Guru Gobind Singh Ji less groomed than you? ------------- I think it is important to provide some perspective with respect to the effects of language. An open dhari is not “ungroomed”. In my world having no dhari is “ungroomed”. A tied dhari is somewhat groomed and an open dhari is grooming at it’s finest. There is no such thing as “clean” shaven in my world. I see people as clean bearded and dirty shaven. When the society around me smartens up in their language hang-ups, I will drop the “dirty”. 159193[/snapback] I am curious to what i have "suggested" about the free flowing beard. I have only said that "I proudly wear my dhari untied in front of my friends, classmates and complete strangers". "Groomed" means "neat in appearance" according to the dictionary. No matter how much love any of us have for our respective dharis, you can simply not reject the notion that a completely free flowing beard is not as physically neat as a tied dhari. However, "neat" does not necessarily mean "better". A "neat" beard is absolutely essential in some professions such as food services and many medical/surgical positions. As far as my "entreanched perspective", I'm not quite sure what you mean. However, what i do know is that i am only concerned with how i feel of myself in front of my Guru. I would be completely comfortable presenting myself in front of my Guru and that is what defines me as a Sikh (not yours or anyone else's definition). The bottom line is I was trying to be helpful to this guy who was asking a question. However, before i was able to come to his aide, many of you guys on the forums (not necessarily you budda singh) had ridiculed and shamed him to your heart's content. I'm sure the Guru's would condone these acts, as long as you keep your beard flowing... right? You have mentioned that there is no order in the Guru Granth Sahib about not gelling your beard. The Sikh Rehit Maryada, agreed on by the Panth, addresses many issues Sikhs face today. However, interestingly, there is no mention that a beard must be free-flowing, only that it should be uncut. Do you honestly believe that your definition of a good Sikh is better than that of the Panth that the Guru's told us to follow? You all need to open up your horizons and realize that your "free-flowing or nothing" responses are driving people away. Perhaps if you guys employed all your fiesty energy towards uniting Sikhs, rather than dividing them close-minded and unaccepting attitudes, we could be making some real progress for Sikhi. Come on guys, Sikhs cannot even wear turbans to school in France and we are here arguing over whether gelling one's unshorn beard is wrong. I have my opinions and you have your opinions, but i hope we can use this forum constructively. PS. To Jaspreet008 who posed this question, I hope my answer about the spray helped. Regarding the discussion in this thread, don't worry about what others have to say as everyone has their own opinions about this matter. How you take care of your unshorn beard is your business. Just be true to yourself and be comfortable with the relationship you have with your Guru.

you are right bruv the kind of youth you talk about ............that was me, it was hard, but i realised that if you want to follow sikhi then you need to have the faith and corage in the Guru to be able to break through, nothing else worked for me, i did everything for the family, friends, society tried to meet their demands of waiting a lil longer, triming, shapeing, styling doing this doing that............but i thought to myself if i want to be a sikh then be a real sikh, follow the rehit and not be ashamed of the gurus roop, the free flowing beard is beautiful.................... i remember standing out from the crowd for the first time in my life, i was in chardi kala from that day the advice you give will make ppl think its okay to do this , i am glad i did not have your advice when i came on this forum..............this is a sikhi forum we will tell you how it is , the truth , if we said, 'yea, yea thats fine' then we can't teach the youth the right way. I think its important we know right from rong................ i dont think any harm is intended everyone has their own veiw, i respect urs bhul chuk di kima 159154[/snapback] I respect your opinion as well. However, I am never ashamed to wear my dhari free flowing. And being a sikh male, i have been standing out since day one ( i love it). Yet, I am still looking in the Guru Granth Sahib for the complete rejection of gelling one's beard. Obviously, the hair is supposed to be respected, however i just can't believe that one would think gelling ur dhari is disrespectful. I proudly wear my dhari untied in front of my friends, classmates and complete strangers. But in many instances i simply like to go for the more "groomed" look (tho i know we all disagree on the definition of "groomed"). The advice I give will make people think its okay to do this!??!?!? IT IS OK. If you can show me any scriptures stating this is wrong, i would definitely reconsider my stance. Most of all though, I would like to clarify that gelling your beard is NOT a sign of weakness of faith. Scissors are much easier to handle then all these gels. Some people prefer their dhari's more under control and, with all due respect, whether a man gels his beard is nobody else's business.

Also, I would like to add that smart, unneccessary comments do not help this guy that is asking for help with his dhari. THis forum's purpose to support Sikh youth. I was under pressure from within my own family to simply trim my beard and in looking for support about a year and a half ago i posed this same question on these boards. I was also given the same useless commentary. When I read the responses I was greatly dissapointed because what I felt was that I now had to choose between a completely free-flowing beard or a cut beard. THis is an extremely difficult position to be in in a society which places high priority on a well-groomed look and if it wasn't for an understanding family friend who showed me a way to respect my dhari but still display a groomed and composed look i'm not sure if i would be able to stand up to the pressure from society and the pressure from within my very own family. Maybe many of you come from very strongly supportive Sikh families, but you must understand that not all of us do. P.S. Perhaps many of you would like to jump to the conclusion that my Sikhi faith is very weak, but if it was i would have cut my hair a LONG time ago. THis board is supposed to PROMOTE sikhi and SUPPORT the youth through each difficult step of their development; NOT to chase them away towards making decision much "worse" than gelling the dhari. . I am thankful to God that i still have kept my Sikhi saroop through my difficult times and I give no thanks to these forums.

Now that you have read everyone's opinion on whether or not gelling the beard is "wrong", take my advice. Run to the store, get Tresemme Extra Hold spray in the black and green bottle. If your dhari is long enough to tie, u can do so( wrap with a rubberband and then tuck under itself). Then simply spray the Tresemme throughout your dhari and tie your cloth (forgot what its called????) and dry for a while with a hair dryer. After a while (exact time depends on how much spray you apply) take off the cloth and there you go.

I just tie my patka extra tight. In my practices we have drills specifically centered around heading balls so i really can't get around it. Coaches always teach you to head with your forehead, not the top of your head so, technically, this shouldn't be a problem. Of course, you can't do those lovely little flickons that just skim the top of your head and once or twice ur patka might slip off in a game, but other than that...np

What is the best gel? Thanks for any responses.

no that def cleared things up a lot thanks mr. singh this whole time i think i forgot the fact that death is not always a punishment :wub:

thank you for your reply, but one thing doesnt click with me... Was the Sri Lankan, Indian and Indonesian coastline a place where god put all the "sinners" of past lives? Everyone there was "bad"? September 11th, all those people in the buildings were sinners in past or present life? thannks for clearing up man i dont know nething

I think that was an interesting point brought up about why waheguru would do this... but these answers (it could very well be that im not understanding what you guys are saying) but it kinda sounds like you guys are saying this is some punishment from God; punishing those people for there bad karma. But all my life I've been told waheguru is the great forgiver and to hear that 1/3 of the dead are children really makes me think...why? I know the easy answer is to say that we can't comprehend why waheguru does what he does but i just wish someone would explain this whole thing... thank you in advance