Khoolasice

It is very difficult and quite probably frustrating for non-Jatts to understand the mentality of the Jatt race. Better if they don't try as it could fuel their insecurity.

There is another thread on this forum that is accusing a Gianni of much worse, wake up....

(Sigh) It was the first Gurdwara in Walsall..... It was the first Gianni ever in the Gurdwara

So there you have it, Kirpans ARE allowed. Just because you see a man in a turban crying foul, it doesn't mean you should just jump up and start crying with him.... God gave you ability to reason and use logic. There will be Giannis at that Gurdwara, they will be carrying kirpans.

I don't believe ALL amritdharis are banned, rather a small number of troublemakers that happen to be amritdharis, having kesh does not give anyone the right to cause trouble for people. I would argue that these jumped up little upstarts are not Sikhs hair or no hair.

Read it yourself

Shaven Sikhs outnumber hairy ones 10 to 1. Who are you to Quantify what makes a Sikh or who should run a Gurdwara? My father was one of a few that held collections in pubs and opened one of the first Gurdwaras, many more shaven Sikhs did the same all over the country, where were you amritdharis then? Now the Gurdwaras and communities are built you think you have a right to come and dictate to us who should be in charge? The arrogance displayed here is breathtaking... But it won't wash. If amritdharis continue along this path of segregation and eliteism you will end up with nothing more than an offshoot cult of Guru Nanak,s Sikhi

Nice1

I have been sold a new car I have been blessed with a new car What's the difference? We are not in decline, the human population on Earth is growing, Sikhi as a percentage of that population is in decline. If our children are not educated properly then it must be the fault of the Parents not the children.

The Child is mentioned by witnesses, I would suggest that these 'witnesses' were Ravidass worshippers so would potray these heroes in the worst possible light. I would have prefered it if at least five of these Sikhs were free to be of further service to Sikhi.

No it isn't, it is merely a statement of fact. why are you disturbed so much by it?

Are you in training to become a polititian? I am not endorsing anything 'Hate begets hate' What a lovely Christian sentiment...

When Muslims put up videos of them converting Sikh girls, do they ask your permission first? No? Then neither shall I....

They are more than good enough for me. May WaheGuru bless them and their families.

I look forward to your confession:))

That is a lovely romantic view of Sikhi, but unfortunately not true. Sikhi is a religion that our Gurus marketed and sold to our ancestors, it is now in decline because silly, self righteous people go around misinterpreting the SGGS Ji and making it unappealing to the young. Bir Khalsa Gatka group have probably raised more awareness and interest in Sikhi than most of todays 'Leaders' put together! I was led to believe that Guru Ji bestowed upon us the right to be Sehajdhari Sikhs?

It feels like you are deliberatly misunderstanding what I am saying, but for the record - Sant JSB is a hero and now so are these brave men. They don't need to own up to anything for you.

I can not even imagine the courage it must have taken for just the six of them to take on 150.... Someone please put up info where help can be provided for them and theirs.

A General is responsible for his troops, why did SJS Ji allow his troops to enter The Golden Temple with their weapons if not for self defence?

What these Sikhs achieved is there for all to see. There is nothing cowardly about one of them sacrificing himself for his brothers. Sikhs need to smarten up, they do us no good languishing in prisons or dangling at the ends of ropes... You mean like Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale?

Is there any support arranged for these Singhs famillies?

I'm not sure it is good practice to jump every time someone makes a remark about Sikhi we may not like, surely our religion is stronger than that? I feel the way forward is to learn the lessons of our Guru's lives and try and make Sikhi more approachable and inclusive, only if we attract more Hindus to Sikhi will we survive.

As far as I know, the 'Rule' is to protect the genetic makeup of our offspring and only covers the parents surnames or if one of his sisters married someone of your surname. You should be able to marry him without issue.

In my town the Giannis get paid such a pittance that they freelance at the local Hindu temple singing Bhajans. It's so sad, they get treated like dirt from the Gurdwara committee and have the Hindus mathateking them. People will go where they are respected, made welcome and appreciated.