Gupt1984

Bhenji you are not alone with this issue, many women suffer with the same problem though invariably at different levels, everyone has there own level of comfort. No other human being should judge you, nor should you feel that you have to justify yourself to another person. However, please don't let your medical issue discourage you from the beautiful path of sikhi, as you continue on this path and read bani and do simran you wont find the need to ask these questions from others. Mahraaj themself will give you all the answers you require. I do believe following rehit has to come through passion and love for sikhi itself not through someone like me telling you what to do or not to do. with any issues or problems we have in life that we are seeking answers for I would say do ardaas. There is a reason for everything I'm sure, we're just not always capable of understanding why. I apologise if I've said anything wrong or hurt your feelings, I'm new to all this myself and learning. Vaheguru ji ja Khalsa vaheguru ji ke fateh.

I have seen granthi positions advertised in the local jobcentre. I doubt very much that's where they will find the right person, I guess it's just fulfilling the legal requirement that they have advertised the position in this country before getting someone from india. We can't blame granthis for moving on once they have gained leave to remain as the position does not pay enough currently for anyone to support there family. Even though in the jobcentre I see the vacancy advertised as 18 hours a week I know the granthi ji at our local gurughar is there more then that. Based on what they are paid it's too much to expect one person to do all that is involved, Especially in the smaller gurdwaras. I do believe we need granthi jis who are born and bought up here and maybe sponsored to study so that they can effectively communicate with the youth and answer there questions. I do believe the role of a granthi does extend beyond doing paht and teaching vaja/kirtan etc and should also maybe extend to a counselling/guidance role too. Someone we could go to with problems and concerns that could be answered with help of bani. We say people shouldn't go to these people who advertise in papers that they can solve your problems, but we hardly take the time to find out what causes them to go there. Yes all the answers are in bani that we need for our lives but not all of us have the knowledge to find the answers especially in times of despair.

Looking forward to it...full respect to the satkaar team. Can't believe people would stoop so low as to lie about what happened.

I have told my friend my concerns and that I can't let this issue go and let this giani continue in the way he has been doing. I don't know anything about the gurdwara as I am not local to that area. My friend is more concerned about exposing his immigration status then this beadbi, so I really can't see him confronting the issue. However, I will continue to ask him and have even offered to go with him to the gurdwara and speak to the committee.

I've never seen any chairs or benches in the divan hall in gurdwaras in india. How do the elderly cope there?

Unfortunately I do not have any proof, nor am I personally in a position to get the proof! I don't disbelieve the person who told me as they have no personal vendetta against this person, it all turned up in a conversation as He knows I am taking more steps towards sikhi and said this is what's happening at a gurdwara I have been going to. This friend doesn't want to get involved in anything so I felt stuck as to what can be done. I was reluctant to contact the committee as I'm not so sure that it would be taken seriously from what I've read on here in the past. All I know is that it's playing on my conscience and it's not something I could just let go. I guess I was just hoping of making people aware on here that someone who is close to that gurughar would feed it back and if nothing else that giani ji would just be aware that people know and either resign from his position or stop doing this. Maybe I'm naive. I agree with you Aman001 people who hire these giani jis are more at fault as it's all a money game. I just feel as I am taking steps towards sikhi and I attend the gurdwara more regularly that I'm noticing these things more. Ive sat in the darbar sahib at the giani ji doing the paht didn't even bother to do it out aloud even though I was sitting there, another time I saw someone checking there mobile whilst doing paht. I've had parshad given to me whilst someones been chatting away on a phone In the darbar hall. I'm not saying I'm any better then these people, I'm most likely the biggest sinner, however I do have that much respect for mahraaj that I wouldnt do any of these things in a gurughar.

Why do u want to start another forum?

Vjkk vjkf a friend of mine who is from india and has been living in Southall for a year told me something which i think needs to be made public. This friend lives with a few students and there local gurughar is gurdwara Miri piri. Whilst visiting the gurdwara they became friendly with the main giani ji there. The giani started visiting them at there house and he would drink alcohol and eat meat. My friend said one time the giani ji called him into his room and was offering him dome money to go buy him some chicken wings and bring them to him in his room in the gurdwara. My friend refused so someone else was asked to do so, which they did. I live nowhere near Southall so I'm not really aware of this gurdwara but apparently there are cameras so the meat is hidden in a plain carrier bag and taken Yo his room. The next day giani ji phoned up the guy who bought him the meat and said come and collect the bones from under my mattress. I found all this very disheartening and upsetting. In front of me my friend rang this giani and said when are you going to come round again and this giani said I'll come next week make sure you make lamb. Also I was told the giani ji just gives packets of almonds and stuff that people give to the gurdwara to the peoples houses he visits, and that from him u can buy a large bag of chappati flour for £5 again what sangat has given to the gurughar. My friend also said that the giani ji sometimes says let's go broadway so that and his exacts words were "akhan garam karr lumma" warm his eyes by checking the girls out. I asked my friend to film this guy saying and doing these things on his phone and he said he would. This giani ji also tells illegal immigrants that he can for a fee get them a visa to stay in this country. I have since spoke to my friend again and he said I can't film him and said he has since disassociated himself from this person as he doesn't want to be part of his paap. I personally feel hurt and disgusted by the behaviour of a giani ji eating meat and drinking alcohol and then doing nitnem in the morning at the gurdwara, eating meat in his room at gurdwara. I don't know his name everyone calls him babaji. How can someone like that be given such a role? Does he not believe what he himself reads? Is it just a job? How can people like this inspire and educate others into sikhi?