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:khalsa: BHAISUKHSINGH - the way you look in that picture u look more of a muslim than a sikh - discusting - correct that first billy bob Calling gora sikhs hippies -wasn't it a while back u was attending their camps and giving lectures to them - it's your parchaar mate it wasn't good enough was it. so calm down internet warrior parhcark!!! calling them hippies is the biggest wrong you are doing instead get them back in line and do honest parchar to them - but can;t count on internet nihung tarna tal plonkers like you to do anything about it.

1. trained parcharaks -- where are they at the moment - where are they serving - in the outside world -- ?? 2. How can he claim to open das m duaar of people without the need or any talk of controlling the other open 9 duars of an individual??

bring back - kam and o - won't happen on the sikh channel - they were sacked a while back --

all sikh tv channels are a joke drop your sikh channel direct debits -- the channel is a joke and a fraud - totally has manipulated the uk sangat -- sikhtv- is just a gangster owened tv station sangat tv - may have prospects but the sant smaj owns them--

how about the 30 acres of land - tarmalla owns in india?? how about the akal takht statement made against him in around bhai ranjit singh jathedars time?

Kirpa Kaur jee you're 100% correct. -- and as for Ramram jeeo i agree with you too sir, however you say mr lalli has nothing to do with the committee then why does he not keep his nose out of it and concentrate on khalistan matters?? why did he speak at the ijlass couple of weeks ago like a puppet to jaspal dhesi pardan.??? the new committee include the baksees singh sodhi the old nirankari - follower hand in glove with indian goverment - -- sodhi and his crew were elected out of gravesend gudwara more than decade ago due to them showing the gurdwara at a loss every year - year after year till people got sick and tired of it. Then after they got voted out - Mr Gill was elected - who in the first year managed to save £90000 in one year --!!! - now the sodhiee who never comes to the gurdwara for any other reason apart from politics is back in power -- very very sad state of affairs -- 100% certain this indian governmet guy as there are a few others in gravesend. the bigger power man behind him IS NARINDERJIT thandee -- who is the quite one - you know what they say about quite ones being the worse ones.-- he has not said a single word either against the alchol abuse and he is MR SIKH STUDENT FEDERATION MAN -- IF SEWA SINGH LALLEE IS TO BLAME THEN IS SO IS THIS CHARACTER TOO - ask anyone what did he say about the alchol incident in gravesend., enough said about these committeee BOAKS - NO NEED TO WASTE ANY MORE TIME ON THEM - instead focus on the future -- what future is there where the youth generation gap is so large -- there is no youth committed to the gurdwara - therefore this sad state of affairs we see in this thread. and ramram jeeo if as you say all these boyz are playing a political game for power with giani and pathhess as PAWNS then their TRUTH has come about in the OPEN for GOOD. What solution do we have - for a 13 million pound building with a 500000 over draft - whose accounts if you look on the wall NO TRANSPERENCY WHATSOEVER. - -IF ANYONE comes to the Gurdwara please reaD THE accounts on the BOARD INSIDE - SEEMS A 10 YEAR OLD COULD DO A better job -- no BREAKDOWN of COSTS - JUST LARGE SUMS OF MONEY PAID HERE AND THERE - SANGAT IS BEING FOOLED - CONCLUSION IS SANGAT IS BEING FOOLED -- BUT THESE fools will realize IN THE LONG RUN THEY WILL BE FOOLED AS IT'S ALL COMING OUT IN the end AND always DOES -

why do you thiink that is than THICK head - it's because they have a brain behind the army - not senseless jatt boot pindo actions which have happened in this case. If you don't have anything good to say don't say it.

siikhiwiki is spot on 80% correct - ilive and gravesend and i didn't even know the there was money raised for these bigots . Where your incorrect is that two singhs beat these bigots up in the gurdwara- that is a MAJOR Wrong and will not bring about any change as majority of sangat and people say that the obvious thing to do was to ring up all the committee members and present these drunkards in front of them and their state. and if you wanted to beat them up then it should've been done outside the premises of the grudwara NOT inside. If the approach was done prorperly and taken all the way to the top and satkaar sevdaars without beating the gianis up you would've had even greater support. Ask your self how many people have replied on this forum where there are two threads on gravesend alone- it's all beacuse of the thugary behaviour of beating them up. Approach has to be with hosh not josh to resolve things. The country you live in has bought about change in the world and is doing so even as we speak with hosh not by BEATING PEOPLE UP.

on your point 3 abve BASANTI DOES A DANCE NUMBER - do you know how last year how close the current committee came to show a film called SHOLAY on the MARBLE face of the Gurdwara ? no joke mate true 100% -- the committeee and the council was phoned by likeminded sikhs like us to prevent it from happenning. secondly the committeee has stashed loads of grants for use of the gurdwara auditorium and lecture theatre which can be used by anyone from the council -- what does this mean for sikhe -- who know which films are going to be shown inside the gurdwara when you already had the above instance such as SHOLAY film nearly been shoed - commiteee idea was to raise money by charging gora and apnas £10 for a film on gurdwara premises - however it was stopped due to alarms by a lot of the sangat. i don't want trophy "behindthefakeid " jeeeo its the truth as it is - ask anyone in gravesend if need be sir and needs to be exposed

Well here is an update off what is happening in gravesend at present as there was an IJLAS - open discussion on who is to lead the gurdwara for the next couple of years. 1. DHESI and his crew got knocked down heavily face to facce there were jakars by the sanagt for dehsi not to continue as pardahan 2. It was also clear that shrab and alchol was taken by the paathi -as when it wass questioned by Jalman singh and put on stage - tarsem mahal tried to defend himself by saying what is the difference was there no alchol and meeat being consumed by the people working at the gurdwara -- therefore mahal has taken it to the next level - i.e paath takng alchol and doing paath ..astonishing and no shame 3.DHESI has the CLEAR MEASSAGE as where there is no rehat - then there will be heeavy rejection BY all forces. 4. Seva singh laali tried to back up dhesi and didn't even bring it forward anything about the alchol issue even though he fully well knows it happended. 5. dhesi 's son tanmunjeet singh, the gravesend mayor also stood up to support his pita jee but alas failed - he could actually have made a given a great speech and presented youth views but nope he's lost too as hsi views were for his father - god knows only why he's been elected as mayor , mosst likelydue to the monies they've paid to the gora upfront for such a postion 6. old sodhis are back as mr baksish sodhi the old - nirankari supporter - never comes to the gurdwara but now is seen making speeches- he also has a cunnign plan to sum it up - a totoal failure - oit was all preplanned what they wanted fortuneately the sanagt rejected - but surely dehsi will try to sort out another deal by presenting others like him in place of himself conclusion youth generation gap is too big no one around to take concrete steps to take these clowns on face to face-- therfore deterioation of rehat maryada and basic issue remain at Gurdwara of Gravesend the biggest in europe. but full of biggest jatt boot pendooo politics.

west london singh jeeo - you make a great point jeeo about what to wish for -- i only want our beautiful gurdwaras to celebrate the main gurpurbs which they have celebrated before in main halls - nothing else - i do not wish for a moment to thrust any ideology on anyones wedding. all are welcome in a Guru Ghar - but alas we must think Guru Ghars are because of our Guru Sahibans - if we cannot celebrate their lives AS A BARE MINIMUM in the main halls and admire others for further learning than we are a FAILURE.

statements are crystal CLEAR - ask anyone living and breathing in gravesend for the last 30 years. These 3 have done only one thing which is build a gurdwara for that i commend them -- well done a great job. BUT BUT What is the point if there is no protocol, if there is shyness on who and which parchark to do katha on the stage, sad thing is protocol - rehat have fast dissappeared which is a shame i have no personal agenda - just was wondering if our wonderful youth forum here hass any ideas on how to deal and what to do with this situation?? if you have ideas suggestions please list here. Don't just focus on thugs and what happened focus on solution - so far there has been more views than responses to this thread - what's up is the kaum getting sick and tired of it all or is there no solution to these commitee boaks- we can't kick them out, we don't have the time to play silly political games they play - they have loads of time on their hands - what is youth going to do ? i know some gurdwara in the uk are run by youth - i need to know how is is that they have become so successful? how do they share the workload?? how is it they are bringing on more of a paanthic role in the gurdwara ?? what is the experience required? can it ever be acheived ??

it aint my gurdwara jeeo-- it's not yours too- Gurdwara belongs to SGGS and sangat. your points are valid. grave situation - committee boaks have lost the plot -- committee is about 15- jatt boots all with personal agendas -- basically a gurdwara which was the first to raise the khalistan voice around the 80's has now become a badal run grudwara due to dhesi being his right hand man. all the panthic lot - including so called seva singh lallee and narinderjit thandi are just manipulative politicans both have been hand in glove with the indian giverment check the contrast we have AMY WHITEHOUSE who was recently booed off stage due to being too drunk to perform on stage -- -however we have a paati whose been drinking and doing paat from HOLY SGGS and no one gives a hoot.

Fateh 13 MILLION POUND GURDWARA AND NO REHAT OR PROTOCOL - SANGAT JEE PLEASE TAKE ACTION AND COMPLAIN TO COMMITTEE GROUPS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.- Issues as below: 1. Just before you enter the Gurdwara main hall you have luxury chairs for paathis to sit on and distribute parshad -- what hypocrsy - you have sangat who sits on the floor 5 yards just outside the hall you have paathis sitting on grand charis and distibuting degh 2. GURDWARA Main hall is not to be used for GURPURBS at all the comiittee wants to raise money due a debt loan in the excess of 5 million pounds so the MAIN hall is for WEDDINGS only- counteless gursikhs have argued and debated with the committee but it conitnues to fall on deaf ears . 13 MILLION POUND GURDWARA and NOT ALLOWED TO HOLD A GURPURB AKAND PAAT IN THE MAIN HALL!!!!! WHAT IS THE POINT OF HAVING THE GURDWARA SANGAT JEEO if one cannot even celebrate Gurpurbs???? 3. a patthi was given a good old beating about two weeks ago due to having taken ALCHOL before SITTING TO DO PAAT during an akand pAAT!!! commitee are obviously supporting the paati and again all debtaes arguments falling on deaf ears. WHAT ARE WE THE YOUTH TO DO-- WOULD ANY OF THE SIKH CHANNELS TAKE THIS ON AIR FOR DEBATE TO BRING ABOUT CHANGE?? SANGAT JEEO PLEASE POST SUGGESSTIONS - AND OF COURSE IF YOUR FROM GRAVESEND what are your views? the sitatiion is CRITICAL!!1