shastarSingh

http://malicethoughts.blogspot.com/2016/01/sanskrit-or-punjabi.html?m=1

Continued......... So we can say in essence Panjabi is older than Sanskrit tracing in existence to before the vedas and being a part of Rig Veda and part of Avesta, but the Panjabi in its present form developed after Sanskrit from Paishachi Prakrits. Source: Panjab and Panjabi by G.S.Sidhu. https://archive.org/details/panjabandpanjabi_202003

Continued ..... The Panjabi language has many names, Madri, Dhaki, Kakei, Paishachi, Jatki, Gwaroo, Bhakha, Lehandi, Desi, Aheeri, Panjabi etc. While, during rules of Taks the Panjabi language was called Takki, when Hiuen Tsang visited Panjab in 629AD. With passage of time and cultural interactions Panjabi as a language has evolved and includes words from Arabic, Persian, Turkish, English, Greek, Chinese, Japanese and Portuguese. We can go in more detail but that would be a lot to fit in one answer on Quora. The below image shows the evolution and creation of Panjabi as a language. [7]

Continued ..... The Vedic language was synthetic in which the subject and the verb joined together to form one meaningful word. Panjabi language spoken in western Panjab (now Pakistan) still retains this character in words like ਆਖਿਉਸ (ਉਸ ਨੇ ਆਖਿਆ), ਮਾਰਿਉਸ (ਉਸ ਨੇ ਮਾਰਿਆ), ਮਰੇਸਾਊਂ (ਮੈਂ ਤੈਨੂੰ ਮਾਰਾਂਗਾ) and are found in Gurbani as well. Example ਜਾਂ ਸੁਧੋਸੁ ਤਾਂ ਲਹਣਾ ਟਿਕਿਓਨੁ meaning when he had purified him, then he selected Lehna. Some words of Rig Veda are only found in Panjabi and no other language of the world like ਵਹਿੰਗੀ, ਤੱਕੜੀ, ਜਾਨੀ, ਗੱਡਣਾ etc. The foundation of reduplicated compound words Only found in Panjabi like ਮੁੱਕੋ-ਮੁਕੀ, ਗਾਲ਼ੋਗਾਲ਼ੀ, ਗੁੱਤਮਗੁੱਤੀ, ਧਕਮਧੱਕੀ etc are another feature of Vedic language retained faithfully by Panjabi. All these prove that language of the Vedas is the oldest form of Panjabi and that Panjabi is very close to Rig Veda, Vedic language. However around 5–6th BC the Brahmins denied access to the vedas to the local people and came up with a more codified modified language to ensure compliance and thus Vedic Sanskrit was born. Between 200–600 BC Prakrit languages were born like Pali, Maharashtri and Magadhi, the Pali language was called the village language by the Brahmins, although the language became prevent throughout India. By 500AD Apbhransh (hateful, polluted, discarded) was born out of Prakrit. Apbhransh gave birth to shaursheni, Kakei and Paishachi. Shaursheni was spoken between Mathura to west of India, right up to the borders of Panjab, and gave rise to Poadhi and Malvaee variety of Panjabi. Paishachi and Kakei spoken in the west of Panjab gave rise to western Panjabi known as Lehandi and Pothohari. The mixture of both these forms of Panjabi in Lahore, Sialkot, Amritsar and Gurdaspur came to be known as Majhi. Apbhranshes were simpler languages. While Prakarit retained many characteristics of Sanskrit the Apbhranshes discarded them. The following table will show the relationship between Panjabi, Sanskrit and Pali and we can see how Panjabi simplified the words.

The oldest use of Panjabi language is the Rig Veda. Cerebral sounds in Rig Veda are found in no other indo European or Indo Aryan languages, like ਟ, ਠ, ਡ, ਢ, ਣ, ੜ. Therefore Rig Veda is considered the first Panjabi literary creation of the Aryans. Though I can’t fully agree to that but it cannot be denied that Panjabi language was prevalent in Panjab before the advent of the Aryans and that Panjabi greatly influenced Vedic languages. There is also a lot of influence of Dravidian languages over Panjabi who share common words with Panjabi, example ਮੀਨ which means Fish, ਡੌਲਾ meaning shoulder, ਠੁਠ meaning thumb, ਢੂਈ meaning back have all been taken from Dravidian languages. An ear ring is called Muruk in Dravidian languages while in Panjabi it’s called Murki ਮੁਰਕੀ. [1] The ਲ਼ is totally lost in modern Sanskrit but Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam and Panjabi still use it. The words ਪਕੌੜਾ and ਵੜੇ are found in both Tamil and Panjabi. Some might argue that it’s same in Hindi but the Hindi language has no sound as same as Panjabi letter ੜ. As shown below the Hindi corresponding letter has a Ń sound than Ra sound. [2] So much so that Panjab University in its bulletin (page 3–5) in 1968 claimed that Panjabi is descendant of pre-aryan and Porto-Dravidian languages and is thus the oldest language of India. The language of Rig Veda is similar to Avesta, which is a language of Iran during 2500–3000BC. Some Philologists claim Avesta to be the derivation of the Vedic languages. The similarity between the two languages can be seen below:[3] Name of some gods and rivers can be found in both languages like Indra, Vayu, Mitra. Both Rig Veda and Avesta literatures name some of the languages of the then current languages of Panjab, out of which Dravidian is the one. Vedic language or Vedic Sanskrit had 39 consonants and 13 vowels, three genders, three numbers and five tenses. The sentence structure was similar to present day Panjabi. At one time Rig Veda was the spoken language of Panjab but soon it’s literary form was forbidden to ordinary people especially Dravidian by Brahmins, who started calling it Sanskrit (refined or perfected language). While the language of the normal people was called Paishachi (hateful or vulgar). As Dr. Chatterji says: [4] “It is an interesting possibility that the Panjabi language is not Aryan in its content but its source lies in the language which was spoken in these areas before the advent of Aryans” Modern Panjabi has reduced consonants to 35, the vowels are 13, the Gender and number are 2 and tenses are 3, but there are thousands of words in Rig Veda which Panjabi has faithfully retained since last 5000 years and are being used even now. [5] The Uvular ਲ਼ is only found in Rig Veda although it’s frequency is not same as other sounds, and isn’t used in Sanskrit at all, but surprisingly is a common in Panjabi like ਬੋਲ਼ਾ meaning deaf, and many more like ਕਾਲ਼ਾ , ਸਾਲ਼ਾ, ਕਮਲ਼ਾ, ਰੌਲ਼ਾ etc. There is also great similarity between Vedic language and Panjabi in terms of names of body parts and near relatives. [6]

Dallysingh veerji and proactive veerji And other intelligent Sangat ji Plz reply

https://asiasamachar.com/2018/06/27/punjabi-language-is-5500-years-old/

Is it from panth parkash of Gianni gyan Singh? If yes, which chapter as its a large Granth?

Yes we do. Few pages of Lakhan Rai manuscript are damaged.

Dally Singh veerji Tansukh was a great sikh. He attacked Aurangzeb and put his life and his families life in great risk. Same as Beant Singh and Satwant Singh did by attacking indira. A book shud be written on tansukh and his version of hitopadesha shud be printed in the same book. What do you say?

Maasir I Alamgiri can be downloaded at https://archive.org/details/learnislampdfenglishbookmaasirialamgiriahistoryofemporeraurangzebalamgir Aurangzeb was attacked 3 times in 1676 AD. In June, he was attacked by a stick. On 19th October, a person (most probably Tansukh) came with a sword near Aurangzeb. On 27th October, he was attacked by 2 bricks by some sikh of Guru Tegh Bahadur ji.

More research shud be done on tansukh. Below link on tansukh mentions some references. Mehima parkash of Sarup das bhalla Gurbilas of Sukha Singh https://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/biographical/famous-sikh-personalities/tansukh-lahaurl/

Many Sikhs were followers of Sakhi Sarwar sect before becoming sikhs. Bhai Manjh ji was also a follower of Sakhi Sarwar sect before becoming a sikh. https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Arjan_Dev_Ji_And_Bhai_Manj_Ji

Veerji Tansukh seems to be a really devoted and brave sikh. Plz read some of his poetry which Pyara Singh Padam has included in his book. Even his version of hitopadesha shud be digitalized and studied. His manuscript is also lying in bhasha vibhag library, patiala.

https://www.thesikhencyclopedia.com/biographical/famous-sikh-personalities/tansukh-lahaurl/ Pyara Singh Padam in his book 'Darbari Ratan' mentions a sikh named Tansukh. He belonged to Lahore but most probably attacked Aurangzeb after shaheedi of Guru Tegh Bahadur ji. He was caught by Aurangzeb's soldiers and was jailed in a place called rannthambor in Gujarat or Rajasthan. Two of his sons were with Guru Gobind Singh ji at Anandpur Sahib and they sent him a copy of 'hitopadesha' Granth translated in braj bhasha by court poet Lakhan Rai. Tansukh really liked Lakhan Rai's work and translated it using different chhands like dohra and chaupai. He named it Raajniti Granth. I am attaching all pages of book 'Darbari Ratan' which give info on tansukh. Page no. 97 mentions tansukh attacked Aurangzeb.

May be a dialect of Hindi. I am waiting for PDL to reply back.

I got a book today which gives information on all the manuscripts in bhasha vibhag library.

Thanks

Veerji U really pick concepts and things very quickly. You haven't had years of training in a taksal but still you do very good research. Many gianis just keep on repeating the stuff they hv been tought in a taksal. They can't think out of the box and they are also not good in doing research.

You forgot 2 names. Sant Giani Shastar Singh ji Ludhiane vale and Sant Giani Dallysingh ji UK wale

I have been told that Sant Hari Singh randhawe wale have done comparative study of Gobind Gita with Bhagwad Gita and have reached to the analysis that there is quite a lot of difference between the two. According to him, Gobind Gita is an adaptation of krishan's Bhagwad Gita.

You need to contact Gurwinder Singh nangli to know when this project will start. His no. 9914647591