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Coming through loud and clear. :TH: Wicked seva. Thank you

I got my hands on a beautiful shabad "Bin Boleyan Sub Kich Jaanda" sung by Bhai Joginder Singh Riar. Can anyone tell me what album it is from? Thanks

Veer, If your Amritdhari then ideally it would be nice to marry someone who is also Amritdhari coz you are both walking on the same path. There is no point marrying someone who isn't religious because that is when then differences will begin to appear. You will want to listern to Kirtan or go the gurdwara and she might want to go clubbing and listern to something else. Obviously it is a complete mismatch of people. However saying that just because a person is an amrithdhari doesn't automatically make them into a decent human being. Just because the person has taken Amrit does not mean they are no longer stubborn, compromising, disrespectful, hurtful individuals. Just because a person is Amritdhari alone is not going to make them a perfect life partner. I can say that with complete confidence coz I have been on the recieving end of such an individual. For your information I am not amrithdhari. but married a girl who was. The problems wasn't due to the fact that she was Amritdhari, but her attitude in other issues, her whole evil personality and character. I probably had more respect for her as an amritdhari then she did. If you can find a person who is Amritdhari with good values that we expect from a partner, then indeed you will be a blessed soul. However it is very difficult to find a person who is 100% perfect in every area. That is for you to decide what is more important to you? But personally speaking if you meet someone who you like, who is religious and respects the fact that your amritdhari and isn't going to hold you back but support and encourage you and then eventually even walk along side you one day then I would go for it. The physical aspects of the relationship are the least important things you are going to have to think about when choosing your life partner. Whilst mutual attaction is important, it no good without some other important qualities. The exact same problem arises when two non-amritdhari people get married. With time one might want to take Amrit and the other doesn't. What is the person who wants to take amrit supposed to do if they can't convince their partner to take it with them? Does that person have to remain neygura for the rest of their life? I was listerning to a raagi and he explained that exact issue came up a while back. A lady went before the panj pyarray alone and they refused her amrit on the grounds she had come alone. She said she had tried her absolute best to convince her partner but he still didn't agree. She pleaded with them to give her amrit but they still refused. In the end she stood there and did an ardas and said, Guru-ji when I die and am asked why I haven't taken Amrit, you cannot blame me for I came before your panj pyaaray and they refused. So it has now become their responsibility. Obviously this has now become a difficult situation. From what the very knowledgable raagi said, the panth had to discuss this issue and it was decided to allow individuls to take amrit on their own, however if both can take it together so much the better. Does that now mean, her amrit is broken when she gets home? Oh please, don't make amrit out to be so weak. I would be absolutely surprised if Guru-ji treated her any different from any other amritdhari. Bhul Chuk Maaf

Here is a classic example of the point I was trying to illustrate. In another thread they are discussing Favourite Kirtannias. Some Guru ka pyara quoted that they liked listerning to Obviously by listerning to this kirtannia this pyara is gaining something. Now check out the response:

I am not saying don’t discuss issues or ask questions. But just because you don’t understand something doesn’t automatically make it wrong. Some of the issues being discussed are highly complex are probably beyond our comprehension and level of understanding. Just because we might not get a satisfactory answer that convinces us, doesn’t mean we are now right or give us the right to attack a person, jatha or dera of Sikhi. Each has something unique to offer us. Not all of us have the same likes and dislikes and what we receive from one we may not receive from another. At the end of the day we will all agree that we are all under the same umbrella of Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj! Bhul Chuk Maaf.

Two I know of are : 1. Tu daata dataaar tera ditta khavana 2. Dhan Guru Nanak kirpa karro bhog lavo, tey upna seet parshaad bukshow.

When I first came across this forum I thought it was an excellent resource for asking questions and learning from one another about Sikhi matters and to increase our knowledge and pyaar of Sikhi as a whole so that we may become better Sikhs. All I associate this site with these days is nindeya and slagging of one another which goes on for pages and pages. There are some very knowledgeable Sikhs on this forum who have vast knowledge which I can only praise and respect. Yet Nimerta (one of the fundamental characteristics of a Sikh) is something I rarely see being exercised in very few posts. Whilst knowledge may be high, there is a serious lack of maturity. The deeper I read into a thread, the more ego I see appearing before me. Some people just post to add fuel to the fire just to make it more entertaining reading. Personally I see nothing wrong with being inspired by someone, whether they are a Bhai, Sant, Baba or whatever. There have been numerous great Sikhs of the past, present and god willing will be in the future who have and will inspire hundreds, thousands and millions of Sikhs to walk on pathway towards the almighty Waheguru. Probably more than we will do ourselves in our lives. The least we can do is treat or talk about them with a little respect. If you have nothing good to say, then don’t say nothing at all unless you have undisputed actual facts rather then basing your arguments and personal criticisms based on gossip and hear say. A lot of influential minds read these forums and rather than getting encouragement probably leave or just laugh at what is being written having little or no impact on there Sikhi jeevan as a whole. How do we know how much bhagti, path, naam simran, seva an individual had or has who is able to inspire so many. Do we have the spirtual avasta to be able to judge others? It’s very easy to post criticisms of someone over the internet. But just remember your post, no matter how passionate you might be about Sikhi try not to do nindeya of others. Someone might have just started to walk on the path of Sikhi. Has been inspired by what they have heard from or read about a great soul. It may have increased their faith, bhagti or seva etc. Maybe their lives are changing for the better and they were going reach salvation in this life, but from what they heard or read, it created doubt in their minds and they stopped. You have become responsible for ruining someone else’s jeevan and I firmly believe no matter how great a Sikh you think you are, that one deed alone could end up destroying your own. Bhul chuk maaf..

:WW: Top site :wubc: Good selection of kirtan recordings. Look forward to seeing what you make available in the future.

3 I recommend are : :TH: Simran Dhian Abhiyas - Sant Baba Ram Singh GURAN DA MANTAR WAHEGURU - Sant Balwinder Singh Ji Waheguru Jaap - Sant Ranjit Singh :TH: Also found the shabad Neh Chodoray Baba Ram Naam (Bhai Manpreet Singh) quite simran invoking..

I heard this story the other day which really touched me that I'll share with you guys.. A bhagat of almighty Waheguru did so much simran that even his thumb had eroded and deformed from the constant use of the malla. One day another mahapursh came across this bhagat and was shocked at the state of his thumb. : After learning that this was caused by the contsant use of the malla during simran, the mahapursh asked what avasta have you reached? The bhagat replied I do not know! With his divine vision the mahapursh looked into the heavens and discovered that not one recited naam had been noticed in god's court. The mahapursh was really upset and said that your thumb has even been deformed by the vast amount of simran you have done yet you have received nothing for it yet. The bhagat smiled and kept his composure, not upset at the least by the revelation and replied, "It is my duty to pray to almighty Waheguru and it Waheguru's duty to decide whether my bhagti bares any fruit.." Tears began to roll down the cheeks of the mahapursh at the amount of pyaar this bhagat had and embraced him.

Done... :TH:

Admin, Can you please deactivate the filter so the sangat can see the images....

Agree with what you said Bundha. :TH:

Sant Baba Balwinder Singh Ji Nanaksar Kurali Wale, Doing a Kirtan Darbar in the Memory of Sant Baba Nand Singh Ji (Nanaksar Wale) & Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji (Rara Sahib Wale) :doh: Time: 7pm - 9pm Dates : 28-29-30 July 2005 (Thu - Sat) At: Dasmesh Darbar Rosebury Ave East Ham E6

Bhai Chamanjit Singh Lal was one of the first raagis I started actively listerning too. His kirtan and katha was extremely simple and easy to follow. :TH: I had and still have the utmost respect for his kirtan regardless of his background. Just wanna say a big THANK YOU to him..

Sant Baba Isher Singh (Kalaran Wale) used to say, I shall call Guru Gobind Singh the lord and should I have to goto hell for saying it, then so be it. Even when I am in hell, I shall still say Guru Gobind Singh is the Lord and as a result even hell will be calmed. :doh: <_< :TH:

I would love to come to this but have some other engagements. Hope someone records it and makes it available online...

I expect it's www.kirtansevauk.org. Good idea... :TH:

In relation to recent events regarding our Sri Guru Granth Sahib prevented from being taken into a hall for a wedding, I was trying to understand the following. We all agree that this is considered beadbi of our Guru :TH: and laava should be only taken in a gurdwara. This is concidered inappropriate because the location in question serves alcholol, meat, music etc... or am I missing something? If this is the case, is it beadbi when the Sri Guru Granth Sahib is taken to a home for an Akhand paath and prior to the event the family members of the household used to eat meat in their home, drink alcholol, listern to music etc. If this is also considered beadbi, then does that mean we should prevent this also? Where do we draw the line? Or will is reach a stage where the Sri Guru Granth Sahib will be prevented from being taken out of the gurdwara full stop! :doh: Would appreciate the sangat's views on this. Bhul Chuk Maaf...

A few weeks ago I had the pleasure of visiting an amazing gurdwara as I have done on numerous occasions. After taking off my shoes and beginning to make my up slowly to the darbar sahib I noticed a load of engraved plaques stuck along the staire case of families who I assume have given significant seva for the gurdwara. :TH: On another occasion as I stood listerning to the gyani in the ardas, he starting reading out long a list of names who had also given money for an ardas... A gave £5 for passing their driving test B gave £5 so their child would pass their exams C gave £11 for x reason D gave £21 for y reason and so on.... I thought to myself, is all this really neccessary????? Whilst I appreciate all we can do infront of our Guru is a bainti in the form of an ardas, is it really neccessary to state how much was given? Just the other day as I sat in the gurdwara listerning to some kirtan and khata, a GurSikh on the stage hit the nail right on the head when he said... A great mahapurkh once said, "Today's Sikhs must consider their Guru deaf and blind, thats why we stick up all these plaques and have these long lists in the ardas about who has given what!" What a cruel thing to say I thought, but how so very true.... Bhul Chuk Maaf..

Dearest Lord Singh Paaji, I have the utmost respect for your loyal support of Sant Baba Ranjit Singh. I too love his kirtan and vichaar and have been listerning to him for many months now. He has been a great inspiration to me and invoked a lot of pyaar for Sikhi within me. One thing you are going to have accept is that not everyone likes to accept the existance of Sant, mahapurkh's and some are anti-sant and just like to have pops at someone to make themselves look more intelligent or wind others up. Because most of the time they can't find any other faults in the person they start making narrow minded remarks at dharna being kachi bani. This topic has been discussed many times and all the arguements about Dharna not being Bani have already been stated. Never the less you will always get one person who thinks he knows it all, who will try and tell you otherwise... You can only explain something to someone so many times and leave the rest up to Waheguru to bucksh them with some common sence. By all means continue your support for Sant Ranjit Singh as you are fighting a great corner :TH: :doh: , but please give the kachi bani issue a rest as you will never be able to convince everyone... At the end of the day, it's their loss if they can't appreciate it. Bhul Chuk Maaf

Can't make Sedgley St, but will definately be at Thursday : Gurdwara Karamsar, Ilford Friday : Singh Sabha, Southall Sunday : Singh Sabha & Guru Nanak Darbar Monday : Singh Sabha, Slough + Got loads of VCDs to watch once he's gone. (125+ and counting....) :doh: