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actually it's a must you MUST go from left to right...you also must hop on one foot..and while doing the parkarma...you must do 20 mool mantar da paat...and if you don't finish 20 in one parkarma...you must repeat the parkarma until 20 are finished....

wow... i hope he doesn't have time...for if he does..and didn't get around to replying to your email....hmmm.....that's a pretty strong message being sent

daasn daas' day is gonna be like this... 9 - 7 pm hockey tournament 7pm -8pm showering, trying to smell decent... 8pm- 8:30pm sitting in akhand jaap AWAKE... 8:30 - 3am - sitting peacefully against a wall looking like he's in bliss...but really sleeping dreaming about what it would have been like if his team had won the tournament.. 3am...his younger sisters wake him up to take them home...

akal purkh di fauj... just be thankful he doesn't have YOUR number... hehe... anyhow...this is pretty cool...the last youth event in TO was a big success i'm sure this is going to be too... i'll definitely try to make it out!

hmmm any first year logical reasoning course would say when trying to use an analogy...there should be enough similarities between two situations to warrant the use of the analogy.. in this case, we have some misguided (indeed well intentioned) veers saying that someone in the state of ecstacy going nuts and in advertently SOUNDS as if he isn't doing gurmantar (lets remember that also...in that person's mind, he may be saying WAHEGURU...however in their state...all we hear is hurraaa gurraah) to RAM RAI!!!!!!!!!!!! hmmm....in one case, someone SOUNDS like they are distorting gurmantar...that person is in meditation, not trying to please an emperor or anyone else...probably has no clue that he isn't saying waheguru fully to our ears... second case...ram rai...PURPOSELY (KEY word) changed a line of gurbani...to please the emperor...he did so out of SELFISH reasons...what love is there for his father, if he could think the pavitar gurbani written by the jot in his father was wrong?...or did he think it was wrong?..maybe he didn't...but decided to be a punk anyway...whichever way you think about it...at that moment...his OWN ambitions, his own ego came in the way and he certainly put his love for his father aside.. so ... concluding.. on one hand...something happening as and OUTCOME...or rather an EXPRESSION of LOVE... on the other hand...something being done that is OUTSIDE the realm of love... analogy worth making or not?.... you all are smart guys.... i mean...if you lot can come here and tell us all what REAL simiran is....i'm sure you can figure out if this analogy is a good one or complete crap...

akal veerji, you should know better than to ask me what i'd think about a black brother doing jaap of gurmantar in raap....short answer... he's doing his bhagti in the way he knows how using the GURMANTAR given to him by panj piyaraaas....that's enough to be happy about! i find it interesting that you said REAL SIMRAN STARTS in the SURAT... it was not too long ago that you advised me to listen to the divans of Sant Ishar singh ji on simran..i distinctly remember him saying that simran for beginners starts at the RASNA..then it goes to breathing then to other areas... i have done sangat of puran mahapursh who also say simran should start from the rasna... unless you have done some serious bhagti and seva and are attuned with the Lord 24/7...i'd ask you to refrain from making blanket assertions such as the one you made...i'm not saying you were totally off base...i'm saying that what you have said might be what is right for you, doesn't make someone else's path wrong...

i would just like to comment on one point raised... the original poster starts his thread by talking about the way to act in a "soveirgns' court...a king's court... a royal court.. while i in no way would ever imagine that our guru ji is not king of kings....i think that maybe we should examine this a bit closer... i mean..yes..guru ji is the king of kings... and yes..there should be some definite ways of giving that respect to guru ji... HOWEVER, the original poster has in a way brought down guru ji from the KING of KINGS...to simply a king by comparing the etiquette in a regular king's court to the etiquiette in guru ji's court... we should not forget that along with being the king of kings, guru ji is our father, our mother, our best friend....how many kings can claim to be all that? so if my king is also my mother, my father, and my best friend...am i necessarily bound to observe strict decorum at all times?...if i suddenly feel immense amounts of love for my king, father, mother, best friend...do i necessarily have to sit their all composed and say "i love you'....or would it not be perfectly acceptable to yell "waheguru waheguru waheguru" from my heart, from every pore of my being??? really...you think guru ji is gonna classify that as PAAP?? i just wanted to add that...cuz as good as it is to consider guru ji as kings of all kings, lets not forget that he is our mother, father, best friend...all of them ... me personally, i have a heard time believe that in guru ji's court, if some person walked in singing guru ji's pavitar bani in the only tune he knew..or "out of tune" guru ji would have him barred or stopped....i picture guru ji having the biggest smile on his face, taking that sikh into his loving arms and giving him a big hug and showering that sikh with love.... would he then get him raag lessons? (definite possibility...hehe) i'm not trying to undermine the importance of raag..i don't think anyone is... at the same time...it's important to realize that we should not be such sticklers on this issue...especially if people are doing simran, kirtan, with full concentration on the bani...full concentration on guru ji...with love, with sharda, with innocence... sant attar singh ji is famous for saying this line: guru dhay gun gaaoo, bhavaay katayangudaaoo

with all due respect to kandola..cuz i'm sure your intentions are good... but the panth is NOT represented by the ddt, akj, tapoban...etc... these are some jathas that do seva...but are CERTAINLY NOT representative of the whole panth...there are soo many others...like rara sahib, nanaksar, bhai mani singh taksal, the nihung singhs, the nirmalas....and to include tapoban singh as a panj piyara for the panth would be riiculous...only because tapoban is a VERY VERY SMALL jatha that resides in a gurdwara in brampton...certainly not the whole panth...and they don't even attend panthic events in Toronto...nonetheless a jatha doing great seva of sikhi parchar to those who go to the tapoban gurdwara... i still agree with your plan...that everyone should get together... HOWEVER, when it comes to picking the panj piyaraas...they should pick people based on thier jeevans, their naam kamaai, the seva they do, the gurbani they read and UNDERSTAND and APPLY in thier lives...NOT based on what jathabandis they represent....cuz there are more than 5 panthic jathebandis and probably a lot less true naam abhiyaasi singhs who are at the avastha to make panthic decisions...