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yeah bro the court officially had Hindu's Vikas Sehgal and Jagannath Yadav guilty for Delhi blast. Bhai Jagtar Singh Hawara is totally innocent but because these two Hindu agents working to defame Sikhs deliberately hid evidence to implicate Bhai Jagtar Singh he was falsely implicated. No Khalsa would ever kill innocent people at a cinema like the Batman shooter. That's just insane

I agree those Hindu's who did Delhi blast called Vikas Sehgal and Jagan Ram Yadav were wrong to kill innocents just like Izhar Alam's Black Cats. Anybody with Sikhi Saroop killing innocents like Jagir Kaur or Poohla should be excommunicated for sure

Bro he believes in that Hindu Devi Kalika just like that dude that called himself sikhreality on the havan thread. Sikhi is a joke to them. But these Devi's they worship are all that. Bhai Dilawar Singh Zindabaad!

Professor Bhullar is totally innocent. Over hundred Hindu said he wasn't even there. Cinema blast was done by non-Sikhs called Vikas Sehgal and Jagannath Yadav

I agree with u Sikhs never bombed that Delhi cinema, it was done by agencies that want to discredit Sikhs. Bhai Jagtar Singh Hawara never deliberately killed any innocent person purely to kill innocent cuz like u said Khalsa can never kill innocents indiscriminately but to stop kutha Beanta they had to do what was needed

S1ngh Veer Ji if i posted two vids exposing Dhunda to be the heretic nastik he is out of about fifty youtube clips i've posted then this ban on me is a total joke. As I believe in 100% of Dasam Granth. It's totally wrong for me to be censored and blocked on the say so of one forum member who knows who he is. So sweetshera can post with freedom but I can't? Reading this has really made me mad :ipunchyou:

all these muslim Guga Pir samadhi's need to be shipped to Pakistan to be re-united with the peeps that believed em rather than infecting Sikh villages

this should help u celebrate August 15th when u drink to it with a toast

when u drink down your beer at the Gurdwara hall next rememeber to celebrate what your Government has done to innocent Indians

Because Sikhs aren't allowed to be divided and must be united because Baisakhi teaches that totally clearly. But my bad i forgot you were a pro-india troll whoi wants to see Sikhs divided and alcohol consumed on Gurdwara premises

Can u tell me where anybody has said all Indians are responsible? Those who worked with Pakistan's were drug dealers. Sant Jarnail Singh Ji never once demanded Khalistan. If 172 of Indian top Hindu Mandirs were desecrated and thousands of innocent Hindu pilgrims killed by Government of India then our Hindu brothers would also want freedom from terrorism by the Government as many hundreds of millions of Naxals and Dalits and North Easterners already do. You've probably never heared of Izhar Alam's Black Cats who committed terrorism by pretending to be Sikhs. Why would I count myself as Indian if i don't live there and wasn't born there.

This is what the Abrahamic faiths have to offer them ... Bigotry alive for Christian Dalits By Sunil Raman BBC News, Eraiyur The village came up around the parish church, Lady of the Rosary Parish Centuries ago, as their forefathers faced social and economic deprivation, many low-caste Hindus embraced Christianity. But in one corner of southern India, their hopes for equality remain unfulfilled hundreds of years on. Called "pariahs", hundreds of Dalit Christians continue to face discrimination - not from Hindus but fellow Christians. More than 200km (124 miles) from Chennai, the capital of the southern state of Tamil Nadu, is the village of Eraiyur. Home to about 3,000 Dalit Christians, mostly farm labourers and migrant workers, the area witnessed violence last year when Dalits demanded equal treatment. The village is dominated by Vanniyar Christians numbering 15,000, who own most of the land and businesses. They imposed restrictions on Dalits even though they had also converted to Christianity. Restricted life A 17th Century church building, Lady of the Rosary Parish, stands tall above the Eraiyur settlement. The village came up around the parish church, with Vanniyar houses closest to it. The Dalits were forced to build their small huts on the fringe of the village. It did not take long for the divisions within the Hindu social system to be reflected among the new Christians. The dominant Vanniyars created rules which restricted the movement of the Dalits. We were told not to touch any upper caste person, not to get too close to them, not to talk to them Mrs Peraiyamakar When they visited the parish church they were not allowed to walk on the main street leading to the building. Instead they had to use a side street that led to the church gate. When Dalits died they were not allowed to be buried in the cemetery. Their burial ground is beyond the village and can only be accessed through a broken path. In addition, the funeral cart parked inside the church building can be used only by Vanniyars. "We were told not to touch any upper caste person, not to get too close to them, not to talk to them," says Mrs Peraiyamaka, 60, a farm labourer who has been visiting the parish church since childhood. "It is no different now." Mr Thomas, a 60-year-old labourer says there is also a fear of violence as young Dalits refuse to be submitted to such humiliation. He says this fear prompted the Dalits to build an alternative church. A single-room, white-washed brick structure with an iron grill for the entrance is set in a small open ground. Called Our Lady of Perpetual Help, the Dalit church has a coloured icon of Virgin Mary with Baby Jesus in her arms. She is flanked by plastic flowers and incense sticks burn on the sides. The Dalits' demands of recognition for their church were rejected by local Catholic priests on the ground that a village can have only one parish church. There is no big change after we came to Christianity. We have very good Christian names, we read Bible and got to Church instead of temples. Mr Mathew, Dalit activist Mr Mathew is a Dalit activist who graduated from Madras University. Having faced prejudice as a schoolboy, he has now decided to fight for the rights of Dalits. His efforts to seek justice have created tension in his village, forcing him to move to elsewhere. He is angry that although the constitution has banned "untouchability" it continues to be practised in different ways. "My family may get some minimum help or guidance from Christianity. That's all. There is no big change after we came to Christianity," says Mr Mathew. Vanniyars disgruntled Dalits are demanding that their church be recognised As we walked out of the Dalit quarters towards the well laid-out area where Vanniyar Christians live under the shadow of the whitewashed parish church, we were greeted by a few angry women. They did not want us to take pictures and asked us to leave. A few angry residents of Vanniyar quarters gathered around us. They agreed to answer our questions. Emily, 25, was eager to give their version of the story. "We have allowed them to use the road. They are creating trouble," she says. We asked her how in a free country one group could dictate to others on the use of a public road. "I don't know. It's been like this… but we have now allowed them," Emily replied. Similar responses came from other Vanniyars we spoke to. Mr Arukadas, a retired government teacher lives next to the parish church and he shared his unhappiness with the Dalit Christians. Asked about using a common funeral van and a graveyard where all Christians irrespective of their past Hindu caste identity can be buried, he retorted: "It will take a long time for a common graveyard." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jpC82pTJr8 Indian Dalits find no refuge from caste in Christianity By Swaminathan Natarajan BBC Tamil Till death do us part: Dalits are buried on the other side of the wall in this cemetery Many in India have embraced Christianity to escape the age-old caste oppression of the Hindu social order, but Christianity itself in some places is finding it difficult to shrug off the worst of caste discrimination. In the town of Trichy, situated in the heart of the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu, a wall built across the Catholic cemetery clearly illustrates how caste-based prejudice persists. Those who converted to Christianity from the formerly "untouchable" Hindu caste groups known as Dalits are allocated space for burial on one side of the wall, while upper-caste converts are buried on the other side. The separating wall was built over six decades ago. Continue reading the main story “Start Quote Caste discrimination is rampant in the Catholic Church” End Quote Father Yesumariyan Jesuit lawyer, Dalit campaigner "This violates the Indian constitution. It is inhuman. It's humiliating," says Rajendiran, secretary general of Periyar Dravidar Kazhagam, a small socio-political group that has announced a protest demanding the removal of the wall. The Catholic Church in India says it does not approve of caste discrimination. But it says it is helpless in resolving this issue. "The burial ground is owned by private individuals, so we are not able to do anything about this. Even the local bishop is not going to the cemetery to perform rituals," says Father Vincent Chinnadurai, chairman of the Tamil Nadu state Commission for Minorities. He says there is a new cemetery in the town, where bodies are buried without any discrimination. Yet burials continue to take place in the controversial cemetery, presided over by Catholic priests. For centuries Hindus from different castes have been cremated or buried in different places, according to their caste. 'Cementing caste' This practice is fading in the big cities and towns, but in some places in rural Tamil Nadu, caste-based graveyards are still in operation. Discrimination against Dalits persists in all strata of Indian society Dalit Christians are demanding more proactive steps from the Church to remove the wall. Father Lourdunathan Yesumariyan, a Jesuit, practising lawyer and Dalit-Christian activist, says the Church has the legal power to remove the wall. Even though the cemetery is on privately owned land, he says, a recent high court judgement ruled that the Church has full responsibility as it administers the graveyard. "The failure to remove the wall only helps cement caste feelings," he adds. Some years ago two Catholic priests demolished a small part of the wall. But the influential land-owning upper-caste Christian group rebuilt it. The Church is meanwhile accused by critics of refusing to give "just representation" for Dalits in its power structure, even while it campaigns for a separate quota for the Dalit Christians in government jobs. Fr Yesumariyan says: "In Tamil Nadu, over 70% of Catholics are Dalit converts. But only four out of 18 bishops are from the Dalit-Christian community. "In many places influential caste groups have lobbied and made sure that only the person belonging to their caste is being appointed as bishop in their diocese." He says that in places where Dalit Christians are the majority, they often struggle to get the top job. Even though the archbishop of Tamil Nadu region is a Dalit Christian, he has been unable to improve the situation much for other members of his community in the Church. Untouchablity 'everywhere' In recent years a fixed number of jobs and seats have been earmarked in Catholic-run schools and colleges for members of the Dalit-Christian community. There are estimated to be more than 17 million Catholics in India But this is being challenged in the court on the grounds that "there is no caste in Christianity". Fr Yesumariyan continues: "The Indian constitution says it has abolished untouchablity. But it is everywhere. In the same way, the Catholic Church says there is no caste bias but caste discrimination is rampant in the Church. "There are hardly any inter-caste marriages among converted Christians. Until recently, Church-run magazines carried matrimonial advertisements containing specific caste references. Only after our protest they stopped it." A few churches in Tamil Nadu have even been closed after Dalit Christians demanded a share in the administration. "We say there is no caste in Christianity," says Fr Chinnadurai. "But in India, Christianity was not able to get rid of caste. "Those who converted to Christianity brought their caste prejudices with them. We are trying our best to get rid of them."

true our Guru's tried to stamp it out but we're too slow to fully implement true Sikhi it's a shame bcuz we're copying Muslims+Christians when it comes to caste http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jpC82pTJr8

And why there is a delay before the moderators allow them when there not censored? I haven't dissed any poster or dissed any non-Sikh religion in a generalised way

That's why the NRA are funnelling millions to (Mormon) Romney's campaign in order to get rid of Obama just cuz he's black http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFP6VUGwmAg

This is awesome bro. Sikhi at its best

Because this post exposes Indian state terrorism it needs to be delayed + censored before being posted on the site But as sweetshera is a pro-Bharat troll who hates Sikhs he can post freely

Lsingh why wouldn't sweetshera defend the rights of pro-RSS anti-Sikhs to drink alcohol and eat meat at Gurdwara premises? After all he's a pro-Bharat Hindu troll who even blamed the Wisconsin massacre on Sikhs http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/67717-shooting-at-wisconsin-sikh-temple-gurdwara/ See Post 4 where he blames Sikhs for killing others at their holy places randomly for causing Oak Creek

ok thanks veers i get it now, nothing to do with the Hindu goddesses cuz i know some dumb Sikhs do Laxmi Puja on Diwali and some saying like they don't eat meat on Tuesday cuz it upsets Durga or somethin like that. its sad that nobody at there Gurdwara explained it to them + they get trapped into taking things literally

they had only come to enjoy a party watching videos of rape carried out by india's army on innocent victims and drink some alcohol

ok thanks chatanga veer

This is the equality they think they will get http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jpC82pTJr8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7_HSfHi3hA

Bigotry alive for Christian Dalits By Sunil Raman BBC News, Eraiyur The village came up around the parish church, Lady of the Rosary Parish Centuries ago, as their forefathers faced social and economic deprivation, many low-caste Hindus embraced Christianity. But in one corner of southern India, their hopes for equality remain unfulfilled hundreds of years on. Called "pariahs", hundreds of Dalit Christians continue to face discrimination - not from Hindus but fellow Christians. More than 200km (124 miles) from Chennai, the capital of the southern state of Tamil Nadu, is the village of Eraiyur. Home to about 3,000 Dalit Christians, mostly farm labourers and migrant workers, the area witnessed violence last year when Dalits demanded equal treatment. The village is dominated by Vanniyar Christians numbering 15,000, who own most of the land and businesses. They imposed restrictions on Dalits even though they had also converted to Christianity. Restricted life A 17th Century church building, Lady of the Rosary Parish, stands tall above the Eraiyur settlement. The village came up around the parish church, with Vanniyar houses closest to it. The Dalits were forced to build their small huts on the fringe of the village. It did not take long for the divisions within the Hindu social system to be reflected among the new Christians. The dominant Vanniyars created rules which restricted the movement of the Dalits. We were told not to touch any upper caste person, not to get too close to them, not to talk to them Mrs Peraiyamakar When they visited the parish church they were not allowed to walk on the main street leading to the building. Instead they had to use a side street that led to the church gate. When Dalits died they were not allowed to be buried in the cemetery. Their burial ground is beyond the village and can only be accessed through a broken path. In addition, the funeral cart parked inside the church building can be used only by Vanniyars. "We were told not to touch any upper caste person, not to get too close to them, not to talk to them," says Mrs Peraiyamaka, 60, a farm labourer who has been visiting the parish church since childhood. "It is no different now." Mr Thomas, a 60-year-old labourer says there is also a fear of violence as young Dalits refuse to be submitted to such humiliation. He says this fear prompted the Dalits to build an alternative church. A single-room, white-washed brick structure with an iron grill for the entrance is set in a small open ground. Called Our Lady of Perpetual Help, the Dalit church has a coloured icon of Virgin Mary with Baby Jesus in her arms. She is flanked by plastic flowers and incense sticks burn on the sides. The Dalits' demands of recognition for their church were rejected by local Catholic priests on the ground that a village can have only one parish church. {C} There is no big change after we came to Christianity. We have very good Christian names, we read Bible and got to Church instead of temples. Mr Mathew, Dalit activist {C} Mr Mathew is a Dalit activist who graduated from Madras University. Having faced prejudice as a schoolboy, he has now decided to fight for the rights of Dalits. His efforts to seek justice have created tension in his village, forcing him to move to elsewhere. He is angry that although the constitution has banned "untouchability" it continues to be practised in different ways. "My family may get some minimum help or guidance from Christianity. That's all. There is no big change after we came to Christianity," says Mr Mathew. Vanniyars disgruntled {C} Dalits are demanding that their church be recognised {C} As we walked out of the Dalit quarters towards the well laid-out area where Vanniyar Christians live under the shadow of the whitewashed parish church, we were greeted by a few angry women. They did not want us to take pictures and asked us to leave. A few angry residents of Vanniyar quarters gathered around us. They agreed to answer our questions. Emily, 25, was eager to give their version of the story. "We have allowed them to use the road. They are creating trouble," she says. We asked her how in a free country one group could dictate to others on the use of a public road. "I don't know. It's been like this… but we have now allowed them," Emily replied. Similar responses came from other Vanniyars we spoke to. Mr Arukadas, a retired government teacher lives next to the parish church and he shared his unhappiness with the Dalit Christians. Asked about using a common funeral van and a graveyard where all Christians irrespective of their past Hindu caste identity can be buried, he retorted: "It will take a long time for a common graveyard."

And check this he's bathing in the Ganges on this pic representing Damdami Taksal http://www.manglacha...-mela-2010.html And in this 2nd pic he's with Izhar Alam the Muslim who killed thousands of Shaheeds http://www.sikh24.co...-parkash-badal/ Plus Dhumma said Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Ji were shaheed when Sant Baba Thakur Singh Ji said otherwise

this is total bs going on. 31 different Gurdwara's in a small village and now the ex-Sikhs are making a church?