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  1. GuruFateh. On the 25th Anniversary of Indira Gandhi's assassination, I think it's worthwhile to have an intelligent discussion on her, Operation Bluestar and the subsequent aftermath. After her assassination, it was reported that Sikh's in the UK were celebrating her death by giving out ladoo's etc. This did happen because family members were at the Smethwick Gurudwara (Bham) and reported this as fact. Now, we as Sikhs have to look at the faults done by our own kaum. This is totally against the principles of Sikhi. Didn't Bhai Kanaiya give water to the enemy? Didn't Sikhs report him to Guru Gobind Singh who in turn said Bhai Kanaiya was a true Sikh becuase he understood the true meaning of Sikhi? But what did we do? Start celebrating like a bunch of idiots and look at what it caused in India. Sikh's were at fault too but certain people on this forum seem to be thinking that Sikh's were totally faultless and India and the Hindu's were totally at fault. Secondly, the aftermath. Supposed Sikh freedom fighters who belonged to various organisations commited terrorist acts and that's what they were. They killed innocent people by bombs, drive by shootings etc. These acts were totally against Sikhi. We do not particpate in <banned word filter activated>-for-tat acts. Otherwise you are no better than the supposed enemy that you seem to be at war with. Since 1984 and up until the present day, countless attrocities have been commited in Panjab in the name of Sikhi (bomb blasts being the main one) and don't bury your head in the sand and say that the government and hindu groups are behind every single one of them cos our own people have had their hands in a number of acts too. The bombing of the Air India flight. Was that a good act? If you think so, do not call yourself a Sikh. Our Guru's gave us something so special that we were different from everyone else, even in warfare, we had honour and principle. Just look at our history. I don't want idiots on this forum posting stupid pointless comments regarding Indira Gandhi etc. This is supposed to be an intelligent discussion. So please only post meaningfull items and discuss this matter in the right fashion. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
  2. GuruFateh. On the 25th Anniversary of Indira Gandhi's assassination, I think it's worthwhile to have an intelligent discussion on her, Operation Bluestar and the subsequent aftermath. After her assassination, it was reported that Sikh's in the UK were celebrating her death by giving out ladoo's etc. This did happen because family members were at the Smethwick Gurudwara (Bham) and reported this as fact. Now, we as Sikhs have to look at the faults done by our own kaum. This is totally against the principles of Sikhi. Didn't Bhai Kanaiya give water to the enemy? Didn't Sikhs report him to Guru Gobind Singh who in turn said Bhai Kanaiya was a true Sikh becuase he understood the true meaning of Sikhi? But what did we do? Start celebrating like a bunch of idiots and look at what it caused in India. Sikh's were at fault too but certain people on this forum seem to be thinking that Sikh's were totally faultless and India and the Hindu's were totally at fault. Secondly, the aftermath. Supposed Sikh freedom fighters who belonged to various organisations commited terrorist acts and that's what they were. They killed innocent people by bombs, drive by shootings etc. These acts were totally against Sikhi. We do not particpate in <banned word filter activated>-for-tat acts. Otherwise you are no better than the supposed enemy that you seem to be at war with. Since 1984 and up until the present day, countless attrocities have been commited in Panjab in the name of Sikhi (bomb blasts being the main one) and don't bury your head in the sand and say that the government and hindu groups are behind every single one of them cos our own people have had their hands in a number of acts too. The bombing of the Air India flight. Was that a good act? If you think so, do not call yourself a Sikh. Our Guru's gave us something so special that we were different from everyone else, even in warfare, we had honour and principle. Just look at our history. I don't want idiots on this forum posting stupid pointless comments regarding Indira Gandhi etc. This is supposed to be an intelligent discussion. So please only post meaningfull items and discuss this matter in the right fashion. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.
  3. Gurufateh. I was wondering whether the sangat knew what the new building under construction at the gurudwara will be used for? Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  4. The previous poster is right. Only take supplements if you are going to hit the gym hard. I have been training with these supplements for a few years and have gone upto 230lbs in weight. You have to work hard or you will just bulk up. I am lean muscle because I train 5 times a week (sometimes 6) and have monster workouts as I have always been interested in bodybuilding. Also, in order to stay cut and ripped, I do 30-50 minutes of cardio a day as well. Hope this helps any Singh's who want to start training etc.
  5. GuruFateh! Just a quick question to all my fellow bodybuilding Sikh's out there. What supplements do you use as part of your training program? I have been using the following: Cyclone by Maximuscle 100% Whey Protein by USN Thermobol by Maximuscle I have been using these for a long time and have made excellent gains. Would just like to know what others use etc.
  6. One point which the 'Nihung' raised, I would like the sangat's views on it. He asked what are the sangat's views on sex within a marriage where there is no intention for reproduction. Wouldn't this be classed as kaam because you are lusting after your wife with no intention of having a child. I would like to hear the sangat's view on this.
  7. The only reason chamaar call Bhagat Ravidass, Guru Ravidass is because this gives them some claim to fame and also gives them some stupid ammunition to further segregate thmselves from Sikhi. You say the chamaar community would still be under the rule of Brahmins today had it not been for Bhagat Ravidass's efforts. Bhagat Ravidass did fight extensively for the rights of chamaar and underwent punishment as a result of this but to say that chamaar would still be under the rule of brahmins (had it not been for Bhagat Ravidass) is a big insult (in my eyes) to Dasmesh Pita Guru Gobind Singh who blatantly disregarded class/caste and made everyone onto the same level when he created the Khalsa. So all downtrodden people would not have suffered any oppression had they joined the path of sikhi, therefore, your point has no basis. Thats the problem with Ravidassia. Neither do they fully flock into Sikhi nor do they fully flock over to Hinduism (which some Ravidassia believe that they are), they always have to remain stuck in the middle and some even stupidly say that they are half and half. Like I said before, the Ravidassia community needs to wake up and stop segregating themselves and before you say that corrupt SIkhs won't allow chamaars on an equal standing, I can say, hand on heart that I haven't experienced this and no chamaar I know can say that they have. If you do face opposition, then combat that stupidity with Gurbani. There are many quotes from Gurbani which would support this. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  8. This is typical Ravidassia mentality and before you try and heckle me for this, just thought I'd let you know that I am from the 'Chammar' community, but I am one who has woken from the falsehood stated by this community and have embraced Sikhi fully. Bhagat Ravidass did make some powerful statements in his bani but so too did the other bhagats. Why then I ask you, is that none of these Bhagats have been elevated to 'Guru' status by their respective communities and only in Ravidassia gurudwara's will you find that they have (as I mentioned before about Union Row, Bham)? Moving onto your final statement. You state that you agree with the bhagats being the foundation layers and that Guru Nanak was the first Guru and then you ask how many others do? I'll answer that for you. The large majority of people on Sikh Sangat agree with this. A very large majority of Sikhs in general agree with this statement. The only exceptions are the Ravidassia community who are intent on keeping Bhagat Ravidass elevated to Guru Ravidass and changing elements of Sikhi to suit them and to continually say that they are something seperate when compared to Sikhi. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  9. What this person is saying is typical propaganda from the Ravidassia community that everyone mentioned in the Guru Granth Sahib is a Guru hence the reason why at the Guru Ravidass Bhawan on Union Row (off Soho Rd, Birmingham) has pictures of most of the bhagats in the Darbar Sahib with the labels of Guru Sheikh Farid, Guru Namdev etc. Lets take a detailed look. Guru Nanak was the only person to have met with Waheguru when he went missing for three days. Guru Nanak was given the Gian by Waheguru to start the path of Sikhi. This therefore makes Guru Nanak, the first Guru. How can any of the Bhagats be Guru's I ask? The Bhagats were foundation layers of the Sikhi faith and THE FIRST GURU was Guru Nanak. And I end by quoting Bhagat Ravidass from the Shabad 'Sachee Preet Hum, Tum Sion Jore': Jahan Jahan Jahun, Tahan Teri Seva, Bhagat Heth, Gaveh Ravidassa. Here it is clear for all to see that Ravidass refers to himself as BHAGAT. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  10. What's people's opinion on people who have had tattoos done before they got into Sikhi? I'll be honest, I have had a number of tattoos done BEFORE I found the way of Sikhi so what are your view on this?
  11. This is me speaking as a 'Ravidassia'. You say that sikhs in the modern world have not accepted Ravidassia to be Sikhs. Why should they when the large majority of Ravidassia still seem to be intent on classing themselves as something different i.e. that they are not Sikh's. I know this to be fact because I have experienced it first hand. All my family, except my brother and me (including my extended family) believe that they are not Sikhs but somewhere in between Sikhi and Hinduism. How can you be half and half I ask? Ravidassia are intent of following both practices of Sikh's and Hindus. There are dvd's and vcds available of the shabads of Bhagat Ravidass and then at the end of one of these dvd's I have seen, there is this Baba sitting on a gaddi whilst the shabad 'Naam Tero Aarti' is composed and having flowers etc thrown on him by Ravidassia. Another example is the Guru Ravidass Gurudwara on Dudley Rd, Wolverhampton. Bhagat Ravidass's janam dhin is coming up in February and every year, they host this in the community centre opposite the Gurudwara. However, this same centre is hired out to wedding parties etc where alcohol is consumed and other intoxicants and then they take the Guru Granth to this centre. The large majority of Ravidassia do not wish to be a part of Sikhi instead they want to be something of their own making hence the reason why they have elevated Bhagta Ravidass into Guru Ravidass so that they can say we have our own Guru and we are not a part of you lot, we are something different. According to you, I am a Ravidassia and I can say hand on heart, I have not experienced bad treatment from my fellow Sikh's. I have many Sikh friends and have not experienced not bad treatment from them or their famillies and they all blatantly know that I am a 'Ravidassia' I do not experience any bad treatment because I have embraced Sikhi. Bhagat Ravidass fought for the rights of our koum which we are all grateful for. The bottom line is that Bhagat Ravidass's bani is in the Guru Granth Sahib thereby making so called Ravidassia into Sikh's. The jaikara done in Ravidassia Gurudwara is wrong: Jo Bole So Nirbhai, Shri Guru Ravidass Maharaj Ki Jai, Bole So Nihaaal, Sat Sri Akal' Why do we only place respect onto Bhagat Ravidass?. In your post you said that you don't see what difference it makes if the jaikara is altrered. If we take what you say, then we should include all of the bhagats in the jaikara because they have all done something for the downtrodden people. On a final note, why is it that only Ravidassia have managed to make a seperate identity for themselves? There are numerous other bhagats that were on this world before Bhagat Ravidass, why haven't they got a seperate following? Our people (chamaar) need to wake up and smell the coffee. We are Sikh's and nothing else. All the bogus practices that are done by our community need to be stopped and then true Sikh's will not have a problem accepting us. Bole So Nihaal! Sat Sri Akal! Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  12. Sikhism is for whole of mankind be it muslims, christians , hindus , jains or buddhist. What to talk of Chamars who form the back bone of sikhism. Sikhi is a fusion religion of sort that is it makes people see the underlying unity in all the home sapiens. The chamars are having a complex due to there poor will to advertize themselves way other sikhs groups do . I had suggest that they to start makiig songs / picture / soldiers / like " Putt chamra de " version and rest we all Gursikhs will stand by your side and sing with you and all of us will be damned proud of it that chamars are one amongst us. Sikhi is the religion of under dogs ; it gives individual / community a sense of self confidence to stand upto any kind or form of oppression. so proudly say ----- " Putt chamara de will one day chak de phattte". :TH: :T: love hps jalandhar Gursikh I don't know if I'm misunderstanding this member but what will you get out of Putt Chamara de? If you are a Gursikh, why keep caste alive? I used chamaar and Ravidassia in my post in order to get my message across so people won't think that its just another Sikh saying things about chamaar etc. I am from that community but I don't have a 'complex' the way you are saying.
  13. GuruFateh! I was born into a 'Chamaar' family and was brought up in the fashion of believing that Bhagat Ravidass was Guru Ravidass. However, as I got older, I started to delve into religion with my own eyes and learn things for myself and not just what my parents, family and chamaar kom were saying. As I started going into the fold of Sikhi, I realised that a lot of what I had been told whilst growing up was against the teachings of the Guru Granth Sahib. Chammar have taken a more of a political stance where they do not know much about Bhagat Ravidass's bani but add their own rubbish and believe that. Examples: 1. Jaikara is 'Bole So Nirbai, Shri Guru Ravidass Maharaj Ki Jai, Bole So Nihaal, Sat Sri Akal.' We all know that this jaikara has had things added to the front. 2. Many so-called Ravidassia say they are not Sikhs and not Hindu's but are somewhere in the middle. As someone who was born into this community, let me say what I believe: 1. Bhagat Ravidass is a Bhagat, not a Guru. Guru Nanak was the first Guru because Waheguru chose him to bring forth the religion of Sikhi, therefore making Nanak into Guru Nanak. 2. Jaikara and Ardass should not be changed from what they are supposed to be. 3. I am a Sikh. To me, people who call themselves Ravidassia and do not associate with Sikhi are lost of the true path. The reason for this is that Bhagat Ravidass's bani is in the Guru Granth Sahib so how are we not Sikhs? I would like to hear the views of the sangat. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
  14. Satnaam Sri Waheguru. Bole So Nihaal! Sat Sri Akal! Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ji Fateh!
  15. GuruFateh! The muslim veil is open to debate within Islam because muslim leaders can not decide fully if they have to wear a Hajab (covering the head, similar to a chunni) or wear a Niqab (full face veil with eye slits). However, after reading Quoran quotes, I think that muslim women are told to wear the Hajab. Regarding Sikhi, turbans are a must because our 10th Father Guru Gobind Singh made it compulsory. Also the 5 kakkars are compulsory for an Amritdhari so they can not be taken off regardless of the situation. In my opinion, that Christian woman suing British Airways regarding her decision to wear a crucifix is wrong. If company policy is that no jewellery is permitted, then none should be worn unless it is compulsory by that person's religion e.g. a baptised Sikh HAS to have a Kirpan and a Kara (which may be regarded by some ignorants as jewellery). If that women suing BA can provide where Jesus Christ stated that all Christians must wear the cross on the chain, then I would support her fully. But Christ never said that so her stance has no foundation. Likewise, if a Sikh had a khanda on a chain and was told to remove it, I would not argue because that is not a compulsory item for Sikhs. People need to be sure of other religions before they start using them in arguments as that woman said that Sikhs can wear turbans and muslim women can wear hajab whilst working for BA. I say fully research your argument before opening your mouth. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
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