5 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

I am thinking  it from a different angle. May be present day Sikhs get too emotional and make an issue out of nothing.

I hv heard people say they believe in Dasam Granth but doing it's parkash alongside Guru Granth Sahib is very wrong.

I feel such people are creating an issue when there is none.

May be 18th century Khalsa was very charrdikala and had no problem in doing double parkash or even triple parkash(Sarbloh Granth).

They had no problem in making kirpan amrit where a single Singh prepared amrit using kirpan instead of khanda and reciting Jap ji Sahib.

They had no problem in adding extra banis like Chandi di vaar alongside 5 baanis while preparing amrit.

May be they had no issue in pouring some boar's blood in amrit to test Muslim converts???

I could be wrong....

Just my thoughts....

I agree or think most of your points are possible, except I don't just don't think Amrit would be mixed with any type of blood in any situation

3 hours ago, proactive said:

I think you're explanation about the likelihood of the goray authors exaggerating things is more plausible. You are right that the circumstances were extreme but it is highly unlikely that they would put pigs blood in Amrit when it would be easier to feed pork instead. Tampering with Amrit would have been viewed as a very extreme thing to do. 

I agree with this also

On 1/13/2022 at 5:50 PM, proudkaur21 said:

They are acting like the rest of india is some industrial utopia smh. Read the replies.

Are we getting obsessed with them now ?

On 1/12/2022 at 5:51 AM, 5aaban said:

Great prediction because they already have! He's a Panjabi artist from Canada but his family background is from Hoshiarpur Panjab. 

looks more Pakistani to me

4 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

They should be added to the list of cults we're not supposed to interact with at all, if they aren't already. We'd have to be careful as anything even accepting ex members of theirs who claim to simply have not known better. 

You could be the new 'leader' of the white Sikhs maybe, doing a 'ghar wapsi' so they know the true teachings and culture of Sikhi...

Maybe each organisation need to have their own spokesperson on Nature and Animals

Be good for one from each org to form the 'Panj Piare' to decide maybe ?

3 minutes ago, shastarSingh said:

Premi veer

What would you do in this scenario?

I really don't know, I am completely against killing nature/animals

Should we ask five Amritdhari (Panj Piare) to get together in these type of situation to make the decision ?

I have this, it's good, but doesn't summarise in a simple and rememberable way

https://www.tribuneindia.com/news/amritsar/classes-on-persian-sources-of-sikh-literature-begin-361338

Classes on Persian sources of Sikh literature begin

Amritsar, January 14

Naad Pargas, a cultural organisation that works in the field of promoting Punjabi literature, has taken an initiative to start classes on Persian sources of Sikh literature. These classes are being run by Prof Jagdish Singh, who is the director of Naad Pargas and chief coordinator for the current programme.

Starting from learning alphabets, the three-month course is designed to teach Persian vocabulary, understanding grammar, and finally reading directly from the Persian sources of Sikh texts. Harjot Kaur, one of the members of Prof Jagdish’s team and an instructor for these classes, informed, “The goal shall be to make students capable enough to read, understand, and learn parts of ‘Zafarnamah’ (penned by Guru Gobind Singh) that was originally written in Persian and writings of Bhai Nand Lal Goya, a 17th century Sikh poet in Guru Gobind Singh’s court.”

Explaining the importance of Persian sources and its relationship in Sikhi, Prof Jagdish Singh, Director, Naad Pargas, said learning Persian allows for an open conceptual dialogue with Abrahamic traditions of World. “ These classes are open for all age groups,” he said. These classes were begun in offline mode but are now being conducted in online mode due to Covid-19. —

On 1/13/2022 at 1:46 PM, Guest Punjabi sikh said:

I’ve noticed Punjabi songs and singers have become quite Islamized/Arabized with songs called Bismillah, Sheikh or Begum and they dress up in Arab Thawbs.  Why do they suddenly have this obsession with Arab/Muslim culture? 

 

 

 

Maybe they have investors from Dubai or something ? Maybe these people involved in music and the videos visit Dubai or Abu Dhabi a lot ?

Maybe they are aiming it at the Arabic market? Bollywood has been popular in the Arab and Persian world for a long time...

According to the most recent FBI data, Sikhs remain in the top three most frequently targeted groups for religiously-motivated hate crimes and bias incidents across the US.

All IndiaPress Trust of IndiaUpdated: January 13, 2022 11:16 am IST

New York: 

An Indian-origin Sikh taxi driver - whose turban was knocked off and who was told "turbaned people, go back to your country" by an unidentified man in the US - says he is "shocked and angered" to be assaulted and that no one should experience such hate.

In a statement on January 3, community-based civil and human rights organisation The Sikh Coalition said that New York City resident Mr Singh was physically attacked and berated near his cab at JFK International Airport.

Mr Singh had parked his cab at the Terminal 4 taxi stand when another driver blocked his vehicle. When Mr Singh picked up a customer, he stepped out of his car to ask the other driver to move. The other driver attempted to hit Mr Singh with his own car door; he then began repeatedly punching Mr Singh in the head, chest, and arms, knocking off his turban, it said in a statement.

The other driver referred to Mr Singh as "turbaned people" and shouted at him to "go back to your country," according to the statement.

"I was shocked and angered to be assaulted for doing nothing but minding my own business. While working, no one should experience such hate. I am hopeful that the police can identify, arrest, and charge the person who attacked me so that I can move forward," the Sikh taxi driver, identified only as Mr Singh out of respect for his request for privacy, told The Sikh Coalition.

Mr Singh filed a report with the Port Authority Police Department (PAPD) immediately after the incident. The Sikh Coalition said it is currently working to ensure that the report "paints an accurate picture of the attack given the language barrier during the initial conversations". The organisation's staff accompanied Mr Singh to a meeting with a detective to provide language assistance and legal support.

"We have every expectation that bias will be considered as a factor in this outrageous attack, given the evidence of what the other driver said and did to Mr Singh," said Amrith Kaur Aakre, Sikh Coalition Legal Director.

"The Sikh Coalition is appreciative of all who have stepped forward to support Mr Singh and called attention to his assault. As the investigation moves forward, we will work towards a just outcome that holds the attacker accountable for his actions, while also reiterating that the Sikh community remains an integral part of New York City," Ms Aakre said.

Navjot Pal Kaur had posted the 26-second video of the attack on January 4 on Twitter and it soon went viral.

Ms Kaur tweeted, "This video was taken by a bystander at John F Kennedy international Airport. I do not own the rights to this video. But I just wanted to highlight the fact that hatred continues to remain in our society and unfortunately I've seen Sikh cab drivers get assaulted again and again."

Simran Jeet Singh, author and Director for the Aspen Institute's Inclusive America Project, had tweeted: "Another Sikh cab driver assaulted. This one at JFK Airport in NYC. So upsetting to see. But it's crucial that we don't look away...What I am sure of is how painful it is to watch our fathers and elders get assaulted while they're just trying to live an honest life."

"For those who aren't Sikh, I can't put into words what it means to have your turban knocked off - or to see someone else's turban knocked off. It's visceral and gut-wrenching and just so disheartening to witness," Mr Singh tweeted.

India's Consulate General in New York had termed the assault on the Sikh taxi driver as "deeply disturbing" and said it had taken up the matter with the US authorities and urged them to investigate this violent incident.

The US State Department also said it was "deeply disturbed" by reports of the attack on the Sikh cab driver at JFK International Airport, captured on video.

"Our diversity makes the US stronger, & we condemn any form of hate-based violence," State Department's Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs (SCA) had tweeted.

"We all have a responsibility to hold perpetrators of hate crimes accountable for their actions, no matter where such crimes occur," it added.

Mr Singh has retained the Sikh Coalition to provide free legal guidance as the investigation into his attacker moves forward.

The organisation said that out of respect for Mr Singh's "privacy (given that his turban was knocked off) and in accordance with his request that he not be publicly identified, the Sikh Coalition is not further sharing that footage at this time." It voiced concern that Sikhs in the United States continue to experience bias and hate-driven attacks on account of their visually identifiable articles of faith (including turbans) as well as perceptions about their country of origin.

According to the most recent FBI data, Sikhs remain in the top three most frequently targeted groups for religiously-motivated hate crimes and bias incidents nationwide.

1CommentsIn the Sikh Coalition's experience, taxi and rideshare drivers in particular are at a heightened risk of these kinds of violent attacks, it said.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/shocked-and-angered-over-assault-says-indian-origin-sikh-taxi-driver-attacked-in-us-2705355

15 hours ago, justasking said:

ive reported but nothing seems to come of it, im gonna make my own tiktok insulting islam and mohammed in response

Please report it to Sikh PA

https://nl-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/Timur_Perlin?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Perlin was born in 1976, the great-grandson of a Polish chemist, the grandson of an Israeli engineer and the son of a Russian geologist.

http://localstats.co.uk/census-demographics/england/west-midlands/redditch

In the 2011 census the population of Redditch was 84,214 and is made up of approximately 50% females and 50% males.

The average age of people in Redditch is 39, while the median age is lower at 38.

89.7% of people living in Redditch were born in England. Other top answers for country of birth were 1.2% Pakistan, 1.2% Wales, 0.9% Scotland, 0.6% Ireland, 0.5% India, 0.3% Northern Ireland, 0.2% Jamaica, 0.2% South Africa, 0.1% Philippines.http://localstats.co.uk/tmpcharts/cd__92.18.78.14050759205751642078075_0.png

94.6% of people living in Redditch speak English. The other top languages spoken are 2.3% Polish, 0.8% Urdu, 0.4% Panjabi, 0.3% Slovak, 0.1% Hungarian, 0.1% Malayalam, 0.1% Bengali, 0.1% Lithuanian, 0.1% Gujarati. http://localstats.co.uk/tmpcharts/cd__92.18.78.14050759205751642078075_1.png

The religious make up of Redditch is 63.5% Christian, 25.4% No religion, 3.4% Muslim, 0.3% Sikh, 0.2% Hindu, 0.2% Buddhist, 0.1% Jewish, 0.1% Agnostic. http://localstats.co.uk/tmpcharts/cd__92.18.78.14050759205751642078075_2.png5,274 people did not state a religion. 260 people identified as a Jedi Knight and 5 people said they believe in Heavy Metal.

47.9% of people are married, 13.0% cohabit with a member of the opposite sex, 0.8% live with a partner of the same sex, 22.9% are single and have never married or been in a registered same sex partnership, 9.0% are separated or divorced. There are 4,646 widowed people living in Redditch.

The top occupations listed by people in Redditch are Professional 13.1%, Elementary 12.7%, Skilled trades 12.5%, Associate professional and technical 11.5%, Administrative and secretarial 11.4%, Process, plant and machine operatives 11.1%, Managers, directors and senior officials 9.7%, Elementary administration and service 9.7%, Caring, leisure and other service 9.3%, Administrative 8.7%.

Usual suspects

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/redditch-sex-gang-exploited-underage-22717210

Arslan Tazarab (right) with brother Ethashan Tazarab (left) outside Kidderminster Magistrates Court in November, 2020

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Jaskaran Sandhu: Dutch Sikhs Demand An Apology For TV Segment Mocking Mool Mantar

Locals have called on Sikhs around the world to assist in demanding an apology from Beau van Erven Dorens and Timur Perlin, and share why a segment mocking the Mool Mantar is offensive to Sikhs

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 Photo Credit: RTL | Timur (Left), Beau (Right)

Jaskaran Sandhu
January 11, 2022 | 2.5 min. read | Original Reporting

Beau van Erven Dorens is the host of a popular talk show on RTL4, one of the Netherlands’ largest TV channels. 

On January 6, 2022, he had Timur Perlin on as a guest. Timur is a local DJ well known for his radio segment ‘Mama Appelsap’ where he plays non-Dutch songs for the purpose of highlighting mondegreens, which in this case would be the mishearing and mischaracterization of non-Dutch lyrics into Dutch for comedic effect. 

Beau, as part of his talk show, brought up one of Timur’s more controversial Mama Appelsap segments - the mocking of the Sikh Mool Mantar sung by Satkirin Kaur Khalsa in Lightness of Being. 

Dutch Sikhs share that in the segment, Timur compares the lines of Ek Ong Kar – Sat Gurparsaad, with the following vulgar and sexual line in Dutch: ‘ik kom klaar, zet die hoer op u site’, which roughly translates into ‘I am coming (getting an orgasm), put the <banned word filter activated> on your site’. 

Prsinghxz @Prsinghxz

A Thread on highly offensive remarks made on Sikhs on Dutch National TV: On the day of 6th January 2022 RTL4 (one of the biggest media and tv channels in the Netherlands) decided to play an audio fragment of Satkirin Kaur Khalsa on the daily talk show of Beau van Erver Dorens.

January 10th 2022

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That original radio segment was from approximately a year ago and Timur had been approached by the Dutch Sikh community at the time. According to locals, Timur, due to the backlash and after some resistance, removed the YouTube video of the segment and promised not to play it anymore. One source shares that he was allegedly upset with deleting the video as it had a lot of views.

However, during his appearance on Beau’s show on RTL earlier this week, the segment was played again with added commentary that the Sikh community should not be complaining about their faith being mocked and attacked for entertainment purposes. 

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The discussion on Beau’s show was partly covered by local media. 

“Beau van Erven Dorens states that the Sikh community should not whine” the headline reads in a piece from Media Courant, which shares the nature of the problematic dialogue and the backstory on Timur’s segment from a year ago. 

Dutch Sikhs have expressed serious concerns about both Timur’s original segment and the latest offensive exchange on Beau’s TV talk show. 

“We have limited influence due to the fact that we are a minuscule minority in the Netherlands. We have tried before to build pressure on Timur however it did not accomplish what we wanted (removal, apology, and a visit to the Gurudwara),” shared the Dutch Sikh Association via email. 

Locals have called on Sikhs around the world to assist in demanding an apology and sharing why such a segment is offensive as the Dutch Sikh community is very small.

Prsinghxz @Prsinghxz

Daas requests your help to bring this situation under the wider attention of the Panth so pressure can be built up towards the creator of the segment (@Timur_Perlin), the host of the talk show(@BeauRTL @BeauvanED ) and RTL4 (@RTL4) the channel on which the show was played.

January 11th 2022

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Varinder Singh is a volunteer and spokesperson with Sikhs United Netherlands, a humanitarian organization that provides aid in the country. He says that many have already complained about the segment to the TV station, but have yet to receive a formal response. 

“The local Sangat is angry and wants the presenter to apologize,” he shares. 

A spokesperson for the Dutch Sikh Association agrees and takes it a step further.

“Apart from a public apology, we will demand that they remove the [Beau] segment from [all RTL platforms].”

We have sent a request for comment to Beau but did not hear back at the time of publishing. We will continue to follow the incident and update this story accordingly. 

Jaskaran Sandhu hails from Brampton, Canada, and is the co-founder of Baaz. He is a Strategist at the public affairs and relations agency State Strategy. Jaskaran also previously served as Executive Director for the World Sikh Organization of Canada and as a Senior Advisor to Brampton’s Office of the Mayor. You can find Jaskaran on Twitter at @JaskaranSandhu_

 

A serious thread, but hope @Jassu takes note 

Just now, shastarSingh said:

 

May be nri Sangat can question these parcharaks why don't they do parchar in smaller towns and villages in India.

Then the Parcharak will say to the NRI "Why do you live abroad, jee...? Why don't you go back to India...?"

1 minute ago, shastarSingh said:

Nice book on sir Chhoturam in Punjabi by professor basant singh brar.

https://www.hindibook.com/index.php?p=sr&format=fullpage&Field=bookcode&String=9789389997842

https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/opinion/sir-chhotu-ram

On 9 October, Prime Minister Narendra Modi unveiled a 64-feet tall statue of Chaudhary Sir Chhotu Ram in Rohtak. The statue was constructed under the instruction of his grandson, Chaudhary Birender Singh, Minister for Steel in the Narendra Modi government.

Chaudhary Chhotu Ram was born in village Sampla in Jhajjar district of Haryana on 24 November 1881, in a well known Jat family, which owned 10 acres of land near the village. Rohtak in the 1880s was a one-horse town far away from the capital of Punjab, Lahore. Punjab Province at the time extended from Rawalpindi in the north of India to the borders of Rajasthan, a distance of over 500 miles.

He joined the local primary school in 1891, passing out four years later. He was married at the age of 11 to Giano Devi. He passed the intermediate examination in 1903 from the Christian Mission School in Delhi. The same year he joined St Stephen’s College, graduating in 1905. He chose Sanskrit as one of his subjects. He obtained his LLB degree from Agra College in 1910, becoming an advocate in 1912, the year Jawaharlal Nehru returned to India after spending seven years in England.

Chaudhary Sahib Chhotu Ram was one of the first Jats to become a successful lawyer. Many Jats from the Punjab joined the British Indian Army or sought service in the Jat princely states of Bharatpur and Dholpur. Most kept away from politics. Not Chaudhary Chhotu Ram. He joined the Congress party in 1916. He was president of the Rohtak District Congress Committee till 1920. In 1915 he launched his newspaper, Jat Gazette.

Chaudhary Chhotu Ram left the Congress because he came to the conclusion that Mahatma Gandhi’s non-co-operation movement neglected the farmers.

Along with Sir Fazle-Hussein and Sir Sikandar Hayat Khan, he launched the Zamindaran Party, which later became the Unionist Party, which had the support of Hindu and Muslim Jats, Sikh Jats and a vast majority of zamindars of all communities.

In the 1937 provincial elections in Punjab, out of 175 seats, the Unionist Party won 99 seats, the Congress and the Muslim League between them managed 19, the Khalsa Nationalists 13 and the Hindu Mahasabha 12.

The new ministry was sworn in on 1.4.1937, with Sir Sikandar Hayat Khan as Premier, Chhotu Ram was appointed Revenue Minister. He held the post till his death on 9 January 1945, aged 63.

Sikandar Hayata Khan died in 1942. He was succeeded by Sir Khizr Hayat Khan Tiwana. Sir Chhotu Ram opted out of the succession race. He was virtually the deputy premier in whom Khizr had total confidence, seeking his advice and guidance. Between 1937 and January 1945, Sir Chhotu Ram changed the face of rural Punjab, by enacting revolutionary reforms.

Nor even one per cent of Indians know that it was Chhotu Ram who conceived the idea of building the Bhakra Dam. He had the Punjab government sign an agreement with the Raja of Bilaspur, who had the right to the waters of the river Sutlej. The agreement was signed a few months before he died.

The Sahukar Registration Act was passed in the Assembly in September 1938. This curbed the exploitation of the farmers by the moneylenders. The Free Rent Mortgage Land Act, the Loan Forgiveness Acts were all passed during his seven years as Revenue Minister. He was knighted in 1937. The Muslim Jats called him Rehbar-i-Azam—a protector of the poor.

M.A. Jinnah asked Premier Khizer Hayat to alter the name of the Unionist Government of the Punjab to the Muslim League Government. This was vigorously opposed by Sir Chhotu Ram. He had his way.

The two Hayats, Chhotu Ram and other leaders of the Unionist Party ensured that the party remained secular and no community took precedence over the others.

Many educational institutions are named after him in Haryana, including the Deen Bandhu Chhotu Ram University of Science and Technology in Murthal.

A commutative stamp was issued on 9 January 1995 to honour his memory.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/indianapolis-fedex-lawyers-sikh-sikh-coalition-b1991963.html

Could be the Gurbir Grewal effect

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurbir_Grewal

Gurbir Grewal

Former New Jersey Attorney General

On 1/9/2022 at 6:34 AM, JSinghnz said:

Wishing Sikh Sangat a blessed Gurpurab.

 

Why are you on 'Quality Control' ?! 

https://amp.theguardian.com/science/2022/jan/08/global-spread-of-autoimmune-disease-blamed-on-western-diet

More and more people around the world are suffering because their immune systems can no longer tell the difference between healthy cells and invading micro-organisms. Disease defences that once protected them are instead attacking their tissue and organs.

Major international research efforts are being made to fight this trend – including an initiative at London’s Francis Crick Institute, where two world experts, James Lee and Carola Vinuesa, have set up separate research groups to help pinpoint the precise causes of autoimmune disease, as these conditions are known.

“Numbers of autoimmune cases began to increase about 40 years ago in the west,” Lee told the Observer. “However, we are now seeing some emerge in countries that never had such diseases before.

For example, the biggest recent increase in inflammatory bowel disease cases has been in the Middle East and east Asia. Before that they had hardly seen the disease.”

Autoimmune diseases range from type 1 diabetes to rheumatoid arthritis, inflammatory bowel disease and multiple sclerosis. In each case, the immune system gets its wires crossed and turns on healthy tissue instead of infectious agents.

In the UK alone, at least 4 million people have developed such conditions, with some individuals suffering more than one. Internationally, it is now estimated that cases of autoimmune diseases are rising by between 3% and 9% a year. Most scientists believe environmental factors play a key role in this rise.

“Human genetics hasn’t altered over the past few decades,” said Lee, who was previously based at Cambridge University. “So something must be changing in the outside world in a way that is increasing our predisposition to autoimmune disease.”

This idea was backed by Vinuesa, who was previously based at the Australian National University. She pointed to changes in diet that were occurring as more and more countries adopted western-style diets and people bought more fast food.

“Fast-food diets lack certain important ingredients, such as fibre, and evidence suggests this alteration affects a person’s microbiome – the collection of micro-organisms that we have in our gut and which play a key role in controlling various bodily functions,” Vinuesa said.

“These changes in our microbiomes are then triggering autoimmune diseases, of which more than 100 types have now been discovered.”

Both scientists stressed that individual susceptibilities were involved in contracting such illnesses, ailments that also include celiac disease as well as lupus, which triggers inflammation and swelling and can cause damage to various organs, including the heart.

“If you don’t have a certain genetic susceptibility, you won’t necessarily get an autoimmune disease, no matter how many Big Macs you eat,” said Vinuesa. “There is not a lot we can do to halt the global spread of fast-food franchises. So instead, we are trying to understand the fundamental genetic mechanisms that underpin autoimmune diseases and make some people susceptible but others not. We want to tackle the issue at that level.”

This task is possible thanks to the development of techniques that now allow scientists to pinpoint tiny DNA differences among large numbers of individuals. In this way, it is possible to identify common genetic patterns among those suffering from an autoimmune disease.

“Until very recently, we just didn’t have the tools to do that, but now we have this incredible power to sequence DNA on a large scale and that has changed everything,” said Lee. “When I started doing research, we knew about half a dozen DNA variants that were involved in triggering inflammatory bowel disease. Now we know of more than 250.”

Such work lies at the core of Lee and Vinuesa’s efforts, which aim to find out how these different genetic pathways operate and unravel the many different types of disease doctors are now looking at. “If you look at some autoimmune diseases – for example, lupus – it has become clear recently there are many different versions of them, that may be caused by different genetic pathways,” said Vinuesa. “And that has a consequence when you are trying to find the right treatment.

“We have lots of potentially useful new therapies that are being developed all the time, but we don’t know which patients to give them to, because we now realise we don’t know exactly which version of the disease they have. And that is now a key goal for autoimmune research. We have to learn how to group and stratify patients so we can give them the right therapy.”

Lee also stressed that surging cases of autoimmune diseases across the world meant new treatments and drugs were now urgently needed more than ever before. “At present, there are no cures for autoimmune diseases, which usually develop in young people – while they are trying to complete their education, get their first job and have families,” he said.

“That means growing numbers of people face surgery or will have to have regular injections for the rest of their lives. It can be grim for patients and a massive strain on health services. Hence the urgent need to find new, effective treatments.”