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  1. 2 hours ago, Suchi said:

    I've just had an OligoScan locally. Shows up heavy metals, minerals, vitamins. Very useful to know where to focus

    your diet. No blood needed. Results are provided there and then as it uses scanning technology to scan your hand. 

     

    A Skeptical Look at the OligoScan

    (NOT my opinion, lol)

    The OligiScan’s manufacturer appears to be Physioquanta, of Montpellier, France. OligoScan North America, which is described on its Web site as “exclusive USA partners of OligoScan Europe,” registered and filed its articles of organization as a domestic limited-liability company in Nevada on June 5, 2013. The company’s domain (oligoscan.net) was registered for one year on May 25, 2013 by Rashid A. Buttar, D.O., of Cornelius, North Carolina, who is identified in videos as the company’s medical director. The Nevada registration document lists Seguros Management LTD of Nassau as its “manager.” Seguro’s Web site offers to provide nominal company directors, officers or company managers “to eliminate, from public records, the identities of the principals of the company and in doing so, provide the privacy you deserve.” [3] The FDA’s 510(k) database, which lists devices that have been cleared for marketing within the United States, yielded no entries when I searched on October 26th for “OligoScan.” Buttar describes the device as “probably the most exciting thing I have seen in diagnostics in my professional career as a physician, and I’ve been a physician now for 22 years.” [1]

    Buttar, a major promoter of chelation therapy, is chairman of the American Board of Clinical Metal Toxicology, a group that advocates chelation therapy for a wide range of nonstandard uses [4]. During a disciplinary hearing held in 2008, he indicated that nearly all the patients he sees are diagnosed with heavy metal toxicity and receive chelation therapy [5].....

    Why I Am Skeptical

    To validate the use of such a device, several types of studies would be essential. One would be to validate the accuracy with laboratory tests that examine whether the device can reliably measure the contents of purified blood/plasma extracts that are known to have various concentrations of heavy metals and other ions. If such measurements are accurate, extensive testing would be needed to (a) see whether measurements in the hand reflect values in rest of the body, (b) to determine what levels warrant concern, and (c) whether modifying these levels with chelation improves patient health. OligoScan’s Web sites offer a list of 35 articles that supposedly support use of the device [8]. Some involve the mineral content of food. Some discuss the health risks of heavy metals. Some discuss spectroscopy. But none, as far as I can tell, evaluate what the OligiScan video claims or demonstrate that patients benefited from use of the device. Without published studies, including some from independent investigators, I see no reason to consider the test useful or even potentially useful.

  2. 2 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

    It's just that it's good to know your levels. I twist my docs arm to get mine checked periodically. Why take supplements if you don't need them? 

    I don't think what you are taking is dangerous, do you take them in summer too? 

    I think the 1000 iu that is usually recommended may be too low for some. 

    I have only taken one or two in the past 2-3 months, have run out lol, need to order more. I take less in summer, and actively try to get sun on my trunk in the garden when not doing my office-based job! It's likely more beneficial (in my mind at least!)

    I take occasional supplements of other things, but I know that most vitamins are absorbed fine in the diet. Apparently a lot of people (not surprisingly since in greens) have low levels of folic acid. 

    I am also wary that the 'supplement industry' (and pharmaceutical) have a lot to gain from us. 

  3. 28 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

    Have you had your levels checked recently? That seems like a high dose but who knows? The suggested levels to take keep changing.  

    I know medical people who have reassured me I would have to be taking many orders higher dose for there to be any concerns. Btw, many GP's in the UK won't routinely check Vit D because if you are taking at least the minimum recommended dose, then it's likely to be okay 

  4. 51 minutes ago, proactive said:

    I think the fact that Sikhs are a majority in the rural areas and a minority in urban areas has a lot to do with this difference in outlook. The only two cities in India where I have seen the same outlook in urban Sikhs as rural Sikhs is in Jammu and Nanded. They will always come out in the streets for the Panth and are never found wanting when it comes to Panthic pride. 

    @S1ngh I am referring to India here, not the West

    I don't think it's like the minority/majority thing. The rural Sikhs do practice Hindu rituals and Mandirs to some extent, but mostly they know they are Sikhs and not inbetween half-Sikh/half-Hindu which is some of the mentality/culture that I have seen and aware of with Indian urban classes. If you are a minority, then surely there's just as good reason to be more defensive/'ready' as you are outnumbered ? Also, it will be in their blood as to survive the pind-wale over several generations would have had to done mainly physical work.

    I would compare it to the 'working class' from in/around estates in the UK being like the tougher rural environment in India. These people also do mainly manual/physical jobs. 

    Versus the softer urban living in India being comparable to living in a suburban middle class area in the UK. Not all, but generally the urban Sikh classes are wealther and have easier life compared to the average pind-wala. 

  5. 1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

    I've got blood tests in a few weeks. I'm taking 2000 iu of vit D per day (tablet form). Will be interesting to see what levels I'll get. Normally I'd be working in the sun for a lot of summer, and usually have high vit D levels but with all the lock downs and stuff will be interesting to see how the 'Jack and Jills' (pills) work. Given that vit D is normally largely just calcium we might have to be careful of excessive calcium deposits?  

    K2 information, for those interested:

    https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vitamin-k2#bone-health

     

     

    Vit D will be higher than normal range most likely. I take Hux D3 20,000 (e.g. https://www.weldricks.co.uk/products/huxd3-capsules-20000iu-colecaliferol-pack-of-30) units every 2-3 weeks. Know someone does similar and their levels were slightly high on blood test. But unless you have kidney damage, then I think Vit D has to be taken at 'deliberate overdose' amounts to be close to toxic. Same with Vitamin B12. 

    1 hour ago, Suchi said:

    I'm in the UK. So not much sun. What little there is, is deliberately clouded over. Chemtrails. 

    Interesting. What about in sunny places/countries ?

    1 hour ago, Suchi said:

    I've just had an OligoScan locally. Shows up heavy metals, minerals, vitamins. Very useful to know where to focus your diet. No blood needed. Results are provided there and then as it uses scanning technology to scan your hand. 

     

    Interesting. Did you discover anything unexpected or different from your blood tests or NHS medical opinions ? Any idea why it's not popular - first I've heard of it. Looks expensive also

  6. 16 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

    No he's not, but I don't think he expected being PM to be this hard for him?

    Think it was his ambition since childhood to be Prime Minister. 

    He likes the status and fame but probably not the hard work so much. Probably didn't want to deal with all the issues since COVID

    Do you think he has a personality disorder? Like Blair seemed to be a sociopath, but Boris seems relatively 'normal' (although maybe deceitful)

  7. 1 hour ago, Jassu said:

    Iirc Doaba Sikhs are more influenced by Hinduism. Malwa Sikhs are the most religious and traditional. Majha are known to have beautiful folk ?

    It’s common for a lot of Punjabi men who migrated to the west to be from Doaba. Doaba are known for being business practical. Then they brought malwa or majha wives. Like my mother is Malwa and my dad is Doaba

    Also dialect differences too! I like malwa Punjabi the most. Malwa also has the most Jatts. Malwa has most Scythian DNA too according to genetic tests (as Scythian peaks in Haryana Jatts) and they’re right by each other  

    My parents both from Ludhiana zila, what about your Mum's side - which district in Malwa ?

    I have two uncles here who married Doabans.

    Why bring jatts into a Sikhi discussion? And genetics? 

    Btw, most of the 'kharkus' and high proportion of historical Sikh figures were from Majha. Majha is still relatively highly represented (at least from what I have seen) in terms of Amritdharis and Rehitvaan Sikhs. 

    Malwa has highest population of Sikhs so would naturally have visibly more Sikhs who are religious but equally many who are not. Malwa seems the political 'heartland' since Partition - e.g. Badals, Captain, Channi, Beanta all from/born in Malwa. 

    On the 'negative side' all the 'Manns' in Panjabi music are from Malwa. KP Gill , General K Brar . 

    I think Malwa can also be broken down into subsections given how large it is. There's difference between say Mohali and Moga. Sant Jarnail Singh Ji were from Moga are, and many 'kharkus' were from around there. 

    There are hardly any Sikhs and Panjabis from the western/southwestern part of Panjab abroad compared with the eastern side and bordering Doaba areas.

  8. 5 minutes ago, kcmidlands said:

    I've been debating whether to post this, i saw nothing about it posted so i though I'd share.

    On Thursday evening there was a post on Twitter (to begin with) about a young Singh who had gone missing, he left a lengthy note on an Instagram post, it was pretty intense reading as it turned out he's been suffering from depression for a number of years and not told anyone, i followed it through the evening as more and more people started looking from him, i did Ardaas before going to bed that he would be found and that he would find help in whatever he was going through, I thought, like the majority of these cases I'd wake up and he would have been found.

    Into the morning after the school run i checked on Twitter and Instagram for any news, the young  Singh had committed suicide, he jumped from the M621 bridge in Leeds, i don't know why but this has really hit me hard to a point where i was nearly in tears when i read about what happened, this young man had suffered from depression and it had got to a point where he felt death was the only escape, there's not been much reported aside from social media, there's a link below.

    https://celebsaga.com/deep-singh-m621-bridge-fall-death-leeds-suicide-of-missing-man-mr-singh/

    The bigger issue here for me is that there seems to be a complete lack of support for men in our community to go and talk to someone, we're just meant to grin an bear it, I'm sure this has probably been spoken about before on these forums as well, there seems to be a number of cases this year alone where men from the Sikh community have ended there lives due to depression.

    On a day to day basis we don't know what battles someone is fighting, most of the time we can take some solace in Gurbani but what happens when that isn't enough, one thing i do know is that men in our community need to learn to talk and not bottle things up, sometimes it could mean the difference between someone deciding to live another day or not.

    Thanks for sharing this. . I'm not aware of any other recent cases affecting Sikh men,  but in this increasingly difficult world, with all its distractions and negativity, mental health awareness and maintenance is very important.

    I think most people are generally more aware about mental health now than say, 10-20 years ago, there's a lot on TV and other media about it. 

    GP's are accessible for anyone with mental health problems, it's one of their main type of problem to deal with. Counselling is almost always available via self referral in the NHS in England (although long waiting times often). 

    One thing about men vs women who are depressed or suicidal, is that women will often use 'softer' means of self harm, like cutting or overdoses, which are seen as 'cry for attention'; whereas if a male is suicidal, it can be taken more seriously as health professionals know men are much more likely to sucessfully commit suicide, e.g. by jumping in front of train, hanging, or like in the story you posted.

    I saw this recently, which might be helpful to others

     

    https://www.desiblitz.com/content/taraki-talks-mental-health-issues-in-uks-punjabi-communities

    Taraki talks Mental Health Issues in UK’s Punjabi Communities

     

    DESIblitz spoke exclusively with Taraki founder, Shuranjeet Singh Takhar, about supporting Punjabi communities with their mental health.

     

     October 22, 2021
     
    Taraki with Mental Health Issues in UK's Punjabi Communities
     
     

    "Women are a high-risk group for suicide attempts"

    Mental health awareness is a challenge in every community. The initiative by the organisation Taraki is to work with Punjabi communities in the UK. With the aim to develop a much more targeted approach.

    A 2012 study on the Punjabi diaspora in the UK found that 45% of British Indians living in the UK were Punjabis.

    The study also reveals that Punjabis were the higher group from India to migrate to the UK in the 50s and 60s for socio-economic reasons post-partition.

    Thus, leading to an exponential growth of Punjabi communities in the UK, as families settled and gave way to new generations of UK-born Punjabis.

     

     

  9.  

    https://www.desiblitz.com/content/tata-group-to-re-enter-indian-beauty-and-cosmetics-market

    Indian multinational conglomerate, the Tata Group, is set to re-enter the country’s beauty and cosmetics market after exiting it 23 years ago.

    The market, which was worth £8 billion in 2017, is expected to almost double by 2025, according to the business data platform, Statista.

    Noel Tata, non-executive chairman of Trent, a unit of the group which operates a retail store chain confirmed the news during an interview.

    He told the Times of India that beauty products would now be “a key focus” alongside the underwear and footwear already being sold in its outlets.

    Tata added: “Extended product line and experimentation with formats for these products are in the offing as we see these as growth areas in retail.”

     

    What next - 'Playboy' opening up in Panjab?!

    https://www.desiblitz.com/content/victorias-secret-launches-online-store-in-india

    Victoria’s Secret has launched its first-ever online store in India.

    The e-commerce store, officially launched on November 22, 2021, will house the brand’s popular fragrances, body care products, mist collections and accessories.

    The Victoria’s Secret store will also house sister brand PINK’s beauty collections.

    While the brand has entered the digital beauty market, Victoria’s Secret and franchisee retailer Major Brands (India) Pvt. Ltd has also confirmed plans to launch physical stores in Delhi and Mumbai in the summer of 2022.

    Victoria’s Secret was rumoured to launch in India in October 2021 following the brand’s expansion in Israel and Milan.

  10. https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/amritsar/sgpc-blames-up-govt-for-distortion-of-sikh-history-demands-ban-on-booklet-modi-vishwanath-dham-booklet-7677229/

     

    SGPC blames UP govt for distortion of Sikh history, demands ban on booklet released by PM Modi

    ? SGPC media secretary Kulwinder Singh Ramdas said the history of Sikh faith has been distorted and misrepresented by relating it to Kashi.

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    By: Express News Service | Amritsar |
    Updated: December 17, 2021 12:25:04 pm
    SGPC blames UP govt for distortion of Sikh history, demands ban on booklet released by PM ModiThe Prime Minister Narendra Modi at the inauguration of the Vishwanath Dham Corridor in Varanasi. (PTI Photo)

    The Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (SGPC) has condemned the release of a booklet entitled ‘Sri Kashi Vishwanath Dham Ka Gauravshali Itihas’ by Prime Minister Narendra Modi at the inauguration of the Vishwanath Dham Corridor and demanded a complete ban on it.

    In a press statement, SGPC media secretary Kulwinder Singh Ramdas said that during the inauguration of Vishwanath Dham Corridor, a booklet entitled ‘Sri Kashi Vishwanath Dham Ka Gauravshali Itihas’ was released and distributed as ‘Parsad’ in a large number by the Uttar Pradesh government, in which the history of Sikh faith has been distorted and misrepresented by relating it to Kashi.

    “The booklet states that the Panj Piaras (five beloved ones) through whom the Khalsa Panth was founded by Guru Gobind Singh (10th Guru) were first sent to Kashi, so that they may attain the full knowledge of the Sanatan Dharm and be ready for its protection. The booklet also states that Sikh faith was established to protect the Sanatan Dharm from the Mughals. Both these statements are devoid of facts, with illusory intentions and lack of knowledge about the mission of the Sikh faith,” said Ramdas.

    He said, “In fact, Khalsa Panth was formed to protect religious values and human rights against oppression, tyranny and injustice and not to protect the Sanatan Dharm. Secondly, the five Sikhs sent to Kashi are totally different from the Panj Piaras who offered heads at the time of the formation of the Khalsa at Sri Anandpur Sahib.”

     

    “The factual information about the Sikh history related to Kashi is that, at Paonta Sahib, when Pandit Raghunath refused to teach Dev Bhasha Sanskrit to some Sikh students belonging to so-called Shudra class, Guru Gobind Singh had then sent five Sikhs belonging to different castes to Kashi with the purpose of learning Sanskrit language and not for the purpose of taking knowledge of Sanatan Dharm. The five Sikhs sent to Kashi have no connection with the Panj Piaras (Bhai Daya Singh, Bhai Dharam Singh, Bhai Himmat Singh, Bhai Mohkam Singh and Bhai Sahib Singh) who offered their heads at the time of Khalsa formation,” Ramdas said.

  11. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-59702336

    A teenager has been jailed for killing a man in a case connected to county lines drug-dealing.

    David Lawal, 25, from London, was found with stab wounds at the side of Brandon Road, Thetford on 3 October 2019, and died at the scene.

    Amrik Singh, 19, of Abbey Lane in Newham, east London, pleaded guilty to manslaughter and conspiracy to supply Class A drugs at an earlier hearing.

    He was jailed for six years at Norwich Crown Court.

    Five people, including Singh, were originally charged with his murder, but as a result of this plea in November, the charge against the other four was dropped....

    Three others were jailed after they admitted conspiracy to supply Class A drugs at an earlier hearing.

    Elie Saba, 35, of Goddards Way, in Ilford, was sentenced to eight years; Iddi Zito, 19, of Essex Street, in Forest Gate, east London, and Lisa Desousa, 23, of Nightingale Road, north London, were both sentenced to three years and three months.

    Amrik SinghIMAGE SOURCE,NORFOLK CONSTABULARY#
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    Amrik Singh, who lived in the Mill Meads area of Newham in east London, pleaded guilty to the manslaughter of David Lawal
  12. 16 hours ago, proudkaur21 said:

     

     

    3 hours ago, proactive said:

    It's an aspect of human psychology. A rational person would accept that the Indian govt and Indira Gandhi planned a massacre both in June 1984 and through her son in November 1984. A non-rational person cannot accept that their govt and their leader did wrong so they have to justify it by claiming that it was in fact their side that were the victims. In order to justify June 1984, they have to make wild claims of thousands of Hindus being massacred prior to the govt organised massacre and for Nov 1984 they use the assassination of Indira Gandhi. Do not be misled by the fact that this women is a doctor because like the west nowadays being a professional does not necessary guarantee that the person is not brainwashed by their political beliefs. 

    I don't see anything 'low IQ' here. And a rational person can believe certain things if they are continuosly fed the same lies and/or propaganda. It's sad that that is true, but if I compare myself to 5, 10 , 15 years ago, I would believe a lot more of what I see /hear in media compared to now,

    The Indian media/GOI have done a great job at giving Sikhs a poor and false reputation and associations with 'terrorism'. 

    However, this one seems to be a 'troll' with previous

     

    She's a Kashmiri Hindu. Does these people especially dislike Sikhs ?

     

     

  13.  

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/cigarette-packaging-used-to-distribute-prasad-at-kartarpur-gurdwara-report-101639807883734.html

    Cigarette packaging used to distribute prasad at Kartarpur gurdwara: Report

    Pakistan Sikh Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee (PSGPC) said that the incident at Kartarpur gurdwara was brought to their notice three days ago. They said an enquiry was carried out which revealed that this was the work of some anti-social elements.
     

    Devotees queue up outside the Kartarpur gurdwara.(HT File Photo) Devotees queue up outside the Kartarpur gurdwara.(HT File Photo)

    Published on Dec 18, 2021 11:45 AM IST
     
    Byhindustantimes.com | Written by Amit Chaturvedi, Hindustan Times, New Delhi

    The devotees visiting Gurdwara Darbar Sahib in Pakistan’s Kartarpur have accused the authorities there of using disposable paper plates made of cigarette packaging material to distribute prasad.

    According to Hindustan Times’ sister publication Livehindustan, many devotes have expressed their displeasure on the move, accusing the Pakistan government of playing with religious sentiments of the Sikh community.

    Some photos doing to rounds on social media show the plates carrying a picture of a cigarette brand ‘Gold Street’, according to Livehindustan. The issue was raised by some devotees who reached the gurdwara recently.

    Pakistan Sikh Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee (PSGPC) said that the incident was brought to their notice three days ago, according to Livehindustan report.

    “We never used such a packaging to distribute the prasad at Gurdwara Darbar Sahib. We have carried out an enquiry into the incident and based on that, we can say that this is the doing of some anti-social elements who don’t want Kartarpur Corridor to start,” PSGPC chief Ameer Singh was quoted as saying by Livehindustan.

    Singh added that the regular prasad is packed and given to the devotees in plain carry bags.

    However, the Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee (SGPC) president Harjinder Singh Dhami said it is a shocking development, if true, Livehindustan reported.

    Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leader and former Delhi Sikh Gurdwara Management Committee president Manjinder Singh Sirsa took exception to the reports, terming the incident as ‘sacrilege’.

    Sirsa urged Pakistan Prime Minister Imran Khan to take serious note of the issue and immediately order registration of case and arrest those responsible for this.

    Earlier this month, India had summoned the charge d’affaires at the Pakistan high commission in New Delhi and conveyed its deep concern over Pakistani model Sauleha’s photoshoot at Gurdwara Darbar Sahib in Kartarpur, describing it as a “desecration” of the sanctity of the holy place.

    Sauleha’s “bareheaded” photoshoot for a Pakistani clothing brand at Gurdwara Darbar Sahib set the social media abuzz as many people accused her of hurting the religious sentiments of the Sikh community. The model later deleted her photos from her Instagram page and posted an apology.

    Pakistan had told Indian officials that it was an “isolated incident” and “was swiftly addressed and clarified”. In a statement, the Pakistan foreign office had said that the country accords highest primacy to the rights of the minorities and sanctity of religious places and revered sites of every community is ensured in Pakistan.

    Gurdwara Darbar Sahib, located in Pakistan’s Narowal district, is the final resting place of Sikh faith’s founder Guru Nanak, who had spent the last 18 years of his life in Kartarpur.

     
  14. https://scroll.in/article/1012794/how-not-to-develop-a-hill-station

    How not to develop a hill station

    Dehradun was once a pristine town dotted with canals and fruit orchards. Today, it is choked and polluted, testament to a colossal failure of urban planning.

    Ishan Kukreti
    Dec 15, 2021 · 06:30 am
     

    On a warm November afternoon, as I left the traffic of Dehradunbehind and drove up the hills to Mussoorie, the voice of a presenter on an FM radio station echoed what I had heard from scores of people in Uttarakhand’s capital city: “Dehradun is turning into Delhi.”

    The comment caught the attention of the driver, a young man named Danish Aslam. “The city has changed a lot, and not in a good way,” he told me. “It was the capital of the hills, but now it looks just like any other town in the plains, like Moradabad or Meerut.”

    Born and raised in Dehradun, Aslam said he used to participate in cycling tournaments in his childhood, which have entirely stopped now. “Where do you cycle now? There’s no space to even walk.”

    The octogenarian writer Ruskin Bond, who lived in Dehradun in the 1940s before permanently settling in Mussoorie in the 1960s, rued the fact that that all his favourite childhood haunts in the city had disappeared. “Few remain, like the peepal tree near Ghanta Ghar,” he said, referring to the clocktower in the heart of the town.

    These weren’t uncommon kinds of complaints to hear from city dwellers in India, but it was striking to hear it made of Dehradun.

    Once a pristine colonial town dotted with canals and fruit orchards, in the last two decades, Dehradun has seen an exceptionally intense burst of growth that has left it crowded, polluted and water deficient.

    “Now the canals have been cemented over, the trees have been cut,” said Anil Joshi, an environmentalist who has lived in the city since 1980s. “Is this how you develop a city, by destroying its essence?”

    Longtime Dehradun residents as well as government officials say that this downslide was accelerated after 2000, when the city was declared the capital of the newly formed Uttarakhand state. This was also when the city’s development, as well as that of the 30-km-long Dehradun-Mussoorie road, and Mussoorie town itself, became the subject of a new “master plan” that was intended to ensure sustainable long-term growth.

    Every major Indian city has a master plan: a blueprint of a city’s development, typically laid out for a period of two decades.

    The idea of such master plans was first introduced in the Third Five Year Plan, drafted in the 1960s by the Planning Commission, the organisation within the Indian government that formulated detailed socioeconomic strategies for the country towards specific goals, until it was disbanded in 2014. The Third Five Year Plan, which spanned the years from 1961 to 1966 observed that there was “a need to undertake the preparation of master plans for urban areas” and that without such plans, “there is no means of bringing together and maximising the contribution of different agencies towards well-defined common objectives pursued systematically over a long period.” The document also noted, “The primary responsibility for the preparation of master plans lies with State Governments and the local administrations concerned.”

    uoccvkqdei-1639474346.jpeg Dehradun's Master Plan 2005-2025 covered the decades soon after it became a capital city. But it has had a shaky journey, being finalised only in 2008, then amended in 2013, without a new report to accompany it.


    It was around this time, in 1957, that the Delhi Development Authority, the first agency that would be tasked with overseeing such a master plan, was formed, by an act of Parliament. The DDA became a model for other states to follow. In 1973, the Uttar Pradesh government passed the Uttar Pradesh Planning and Development Act to develop cities like Lucknow, Kanpur, Varanasi and Allahabad along the Delhi model, and set up authorities like the DDA for each of them.

    In 1984, under this town planning act, Dehradun town, comprising 172 villages and Mussoorie, comprising 13 villages, were brought under the newly created Mussorie Dehradun Development Authority. A blueprint for the next two decades, the Master Plan 1981-2001, was finalised in 1985.

    When this master plan lapsed in 2001, a new state had come into being – with Dehradun as its new interim capital. As pressure on the city’s land and infrastructure intensified, instead of strengthening its development plan, the authorities delayed drafting and implementing a new one.

    This delay, according to many government officials, urban planners and residents, has led to a situation where Dehradun is frequently counted among India’s ten most polluted cities. Even as Dehradun’s authorities draft a new plan, tracing the evolution of the current master plan is revealing of how in India, such strategies are often poorly thought out, and even more poorly executed.

    Modern Dehradun was born in the 1700s. The city gets its name from a Sikh dera, a kind of settlement, which once existed in what is now Paltan Bazar, in the heart of the city. A dargah, or shrine, which lay within the dera still exists, dedicated to Guru Ram Rai, a Sikh leader who was given the fiefdom of Dehradun by Aurangzeb. Ram Rai’s father, the seventh guru of Sikhism, excommunicated him from the religion because he appeased the Mughal ruler.

     

    Since then, the Dehradun region, and Mussoorie in particular, has been a place of refuge for exiles and dissenters, said anthropologist and author Lokesh Ohri, who lives in Dehradun. Among them was Emir Dost Muhammad Khan, an Afghan king who was exiled to Mussoorie after the first Anglo-Afghan War of 1839. (Khan missed his pulao and biryani so much that he brought a special variety of basmati rice with him, which became famous as Dehradun basmati.) The Sikh prince Duleep Singh was exiled to the town in 1852, after the Anglo-Sikh war. Among dissenters, the All India Gorkha League was established in Dehradun in 1920s, and would go on to raise a demand in the 1990s for a separate state of Gorkhaland.

    The urbanisation of Dehradun began in the 1840s, according to historian Shekhar Pathak. “Till about the early 1800s, there were hardly any settlements in the Doon valley,” Pathak said. “There were temporary winter residences of people from the mountains.”

    Things began to change in the 1820s, with “the creation of Mussoorie as an exclusive European settlement,” Pathak explained. “The needs of this elite created colonies in Dehradun of Indians to cater to them.” He compared the growth of Dehradun to Haldwani and Jalpaiguri, which grew to support the colonial-era hill stations of Nainital and Darjeeling respectively.

    Since then, the population of Dehradun has increased in spurts. The first occurred when the railways came to Dehradun in 1904. (Ruskin Bond told me that the first train brought his grandfather to the city.) The second came after Partition, when refugees from Pakistan were settled in the Prem Nagar area in the outskirts of Dehradun.

    As the population grew, more industrial units came up in the city in the decades after independence, including textile mills, flour mills and a major bulb factory.

    Yet another spurt came when the Oil and Natural Gas Company founded its national headquarters in the city in the 1960s. The company also set up associated institutes dedicated to training and research in fields such as drilling technology and petroleum exploration. This was accompanied by the building of major infrastructure, including offices and housing complexes.

    It was only in 1963 that efforts to manage this growth began, with the Uttar Pradesh state government declaring it a “regulated area”, under one authority – the sub-divisional magistrate of Dehradun district, in which the city is located.

    The first master plan came only two decades later. But the city’s deterioration continued. “Dehradun was first across the country in a ranking of cities based on air pollution, done by the Central Pollution Control Board in the early 1990s,” said Anita Sharma, Research Scientist, Environmental Quality Monitoring Group at the People’s Science Institute, Dehradun.

    The second master plan was particularly crucial for the city, sincet it covered the decades immediately after Dehradun became the capital of the new state of Uttarakhand. But the plan has had a shaky journey – it was drawn up only in 2005, five years after the new state was formed. It was only finalised three years later, in 2008. It was implemented for five years, but then amended in 2013. No report was created to accompany the amended plan.

    A city’s master plan has a written portion, known as the report, as well as a map portion. The written portion spells out the status of the economy and demography of the city, and presents estimates of how these are likely to grow in the future. Based on these estimates, the master plan makes recommendations, such as increases in residential or commercial areas, widening of inner-city roads, and the setting aside of areas for industries and commercial spaces. The map portion of the master plan divides the city into various land-use categories with colours, each of which represents a different category. The index for these colours is published in the report of the master plan.

    “They are using the map of 2013 and the report of 2008 to clear the maps,” said Satish Ghildiyal, a former official at the Mussoorie Dehradun Development Authority, who took strong objection to this seemingly arbitrary process. “Where is the report for the 2013 plan?”

    There were other problems. “The government order of 2008 finalised the Master Plan 2005-2025 even as the order itself said that amendments were being made to change land use in four villages with an area of around 200 hectares,” Ghildiyal said. “How can you finalise something if amendments are still being made? You have to inform the public and take their comments, but it was never done.”

    In the 2013 amendment, the housing department also expanded the area under commercial use along 62 roads in Dehradun. Ghildiyal pointed out that when such sweeping conversions are carried out, they run the risk of changing land earmarked for public use into land intended for commercial activity, from which only a few would profit. Meanwhile, he added, the changes also gave “huge benefits to the people who had land with non-commercial land use categories” before the amendments.

    Further, Ghildiyal pointed out, in 1988, Dehradun had been notified by the environment ministry as an “eco-sensitive area” under the Environment Protection Act of 1986, making it mandatory for its master plans to be approved by the ministry. This approval, Ghildiyal said, had not been obtained for the 2005-2025 plan.

    Ghildiyal decided to fight what he saw as flagrant violations of law, and filed a petition in the Uttarakhand High Court in 2016. He argued that the master plan did not have the required approval from the environment ministry, and also challenged the amendments made to the plan.

    In June 2018, the court passed a judgement scrapping the plan and directing the state to obtain clearance from the environment ministry. The court also imposed a fine of Rs 5 lakh on Mussoorie Dehradun Development Authority for not complying with the 1988 notification. The state took the matter to the Supreme Court, which stayed the High Court order on July 10, 2018, in effect restoring the plan – Ghildiyal wasn’t able to attend that hearing.

    Meanwhile, the city’s planning remained inefficient at every level. While a master plan is the broad blueprint of how a city will develop, it is operationalised by Zonal Development Plans, under which the city is divided into zones. Dehradun has 11 such zones, with rules for construction activity in each, depending on the nature of the settlements within them. In the case of Dehradun, although the master plan was finalised in 2008, the zonal plans were notified only in 2017.

    “The nuances of a master plan are in the zonal regulations,” an official at the Town and Country Planning Organisation in Dehradun said on condition of anonymity. “The master plan gives a broad picture, but how the ideas of the master plan will apply on the ground is governed by the zonal plans.”

    In the absence of zonal plans, the official added, “it’s easy to interpret the master plan in any manner possible, and build anything”.

    Meanwhile, plans to promote green-building in the state, or construction that adheres to specified architectural norms with respect to ecological impact, were diluted. The official said, “In 2015, we allowed an extra three percent Floor Area Ratio to those who built green buildings” under the norms of GRIHA, a reputed green rating system. “But there was a lot of pressure on us to do away with the green building requirement. In 2019, the requirement was done away with, while keeping the extra Floor Area Ratio.”


    Many believe that Dehradun’s ecological sensitivity, and the fact that it is a valley, without large tracts of land to develop, make it unsuitable for a capital. This is reflected in the fact that more than 20 years after the state’s formation, Dehradun is still technically as “interim capital”.

    Sanjay Jain, a tea estate owner whose family has been living in the outskirts of Dehradun since the 1950s, explained that Rajnath Singh was the chief minister of Uttar Pradesh in 2000, and as the 2002 state elections approached, “It was decided overnight that the new Uttaranchal state will be carved out and its capital will be Dehradun.” Jain explained that it took only between three and four months from the discussions on the creation of a new state to its actual carving out in November 2000. (Initially known as Uttaranchal, the state’s name was changed to Uttarakhand in 2006.)

    The creation of the state, and Dehradun’s new status as its capital, led to a population boom. Between 2001 and 2011, the population of Dehradun district, in which the city is located, grew by 32% – almost double the national average. In just two years, between 2000 and 2002, according to the figures from the Master Plan 2005-2025, the number of shops in Dehradun doubled, from 6,306 to 12,915.

    Today, the built-up area in Dehradun far exceeds what is provided for under the master plan, according to the anonymous official of the Town and Country Planning Organisation. Nivedita Kukreti, the city’s senior superintendent of police, noted that as of 2017, the city had more registered vehicles (10 lakh) than voters (7.5 lakh).

    Other problems abound. Dehradun is on the National Clean Air Program’s list of Indian cities with the most polluted air. Longtime residents say that after 2010, the city saw flooding and waterlogging for the first time – it is now a regular phenomenon, and occurs every few years. Meanwhile, the city’s two main rivers, Rispana and Bindal, once the pride of the city, are reduced to a trickle for most of the year. Gone are the numerous trees that lined canals that had been built during the colonial era. Also gone are the litchi orchards, tea estates and basmati fields that once defined this old colonial town.

    The impact is visible far beyond Dehradun’s city limits. The hills along the Dehradun-Mussoorie road were once laden with silver oak, rhododendron and sal trees. Now, the jungle has thinned out and is frequently punctuated by concrete structures. Traffic pile-ups are common. Ruskin Bond told me he had recently run into one on Mussoorie’s main avenue, called Mall Road. “It took me two hours to cover a distance of 100 yards,” he said.

    Jain said that the problem of poor planning was exacerbated by the state’s third chief minister, ND Tiwari, who held the post from 2002 to 2007. Tiwari is often credited with conceptualising the industrial zone of Noida in the National Capital Region, “and he tried to develop Dehradun, and Uttarakhand in general, along the same lines,” Jain said. “He put all the burden of educational and industrial infrastructure on Dehradun and Udham Singh Nagar,” another district to the south. “The rest of the hill districts were left untouched,” Jain added.

    The designation of the area as eco-sensitive in 1988 meant that any major construction in the city had to be approved by the environment ministry, specifically by a committee on eco-sensitive zones. But haphazard construction continued, including along the Rispana and Bindal rivers.

    Many of the buildings that came up by the rivers after Uttarakhand was declared a state belong to the government, including the Vidhan Sabha, the Doordarshan and Akashvani Studios, Raipur Police Station, Nehru Colony Police Station, and the Uttarakhand Culture Directorate.

    In 2019, the district administration issued notices to 220 entities, including government offices, who had built on the rivers’ floodplain. But, referring to the Vidhan Sabha and the Doordarshan and Akashvani Studios, a July 2019 news report in Garhwal Post, a daily based in Uttarakhand, noted, “The district administration has not dared to send notices regarding these two buildings according to sources in the district administration.”

    According to an individual working with the city administration on the new master plan, “The encroachments remain and the city administration is still in the process of dealing with them.”

    As migrant labourers poured into the city to work on these constructions, many affluent citizens of Dehradun, who were nostalgic about its tree-lined avenues, blamed the state of the city on slums that sprung up to house them. Some of these slums were built along the rivers, and are immensely vulnerable to floods: the walls of houses are within metres of the river, and their sewage lines open directly into the waters.

    wopzhkjqpn-1639474798.jpeg Residents say that Dehradun began to see regular flooding after 2010. The most vulnerable are the migrant workers who helped construct buildings for the affluent, but whose own housing needs have been ignored.


    The view of these residents of the city as the problem, however, is deeply flawed. As historian Shekhar Pathak pointed out, these workers were essential for the development boom in Dehradun, which so many others have profited from, and yet the city administration never addressed their housing needs.

    “The government forgot to take care of the housing needs of those who built houses for others in Dehradun,” he said.

    Many of these slums house migrant labourers from the hill districts of Uttarakhand, as well as from Uttar Pradesh and Bihar. “Most of the migrant workers are employed by the construction industry and in the villages around Dehradun. A significant number also depend on MGNREGA work,” said Shankar Gopalakrishnan, an activist with Chetna Andolan, a non-profit that works with migrant labourers.

    There have been multiple attempts at demolishing these slums, but in a pattern familiar across different cities, the areas soon became important constituencies, and remained. In 2018, the government passed a notification prohibiting the demolition of slums along the rivers for three years; in 2021, this was extended by another three years.

    “I have invested all my savings in building this house, and there is the fear that the government might come and demolish this basti anytime,” said Sunita, a 50-year-old resident of Vir Gabbar Singh Basti, on the banks of the Rispana. Sunita came to Dehradun in the 1990s as a child, and has since worked as domestic help. “Dehradun might have developed, but life for us has remained the same,” said Kayum Ali, Sunita’s cousin, who came to Dehradun a few years after her. “Although the daily wage has increased, so have costs. And since Corona, there is also less work.”

    When it comes to draining resources like water, meanwhile, it is not the slums, but the proliferation of new constructions that are largely responsible – not just in the city but also along the slopes of the Mussoorie hills. These forested hills, with a bed of limestone underneath, provide the water flowing into the streams and rivers that feed Dehradun and Mussoorie.

    Many of these new constructions are linked to institutes of higher education. “Before 2000, there were hardly any higher education institutes,” said the anthropologist and author Lokesh Ohri. “Now there are more than 14, and most of them are on the Dehradun-Mussoorie road. Since these institutes attract lots of students from well-to-do families from places like Meerut, Saharanpur, who have disposable income, many residential complexes have come up in the area to house students who do not want the restrictions of a hostel life.”

    Chopra pointed out that these constructions had left these hill areas desperately short of water, and dependent on tankers. “These areas are also important recharge zones for the streams and rivers,” he said. “By constructing there, we will eventually leave Dehradun parched.”

    xbwqwchyky-1639475099.jpeg Unplanned construction in Dehradun, and in Mussoorie, has severely depleted the region's water resources. Many of the residents of the hill areas are dependent on tankers for their water supply.

    The rapid growth of Dehradun has been accompanied by a boom in prices of land. Many locals believe that people from within the state have not benefited sufficiently from this. In 2002, a Congress government had placed a limit of 500 square metres on the amount of land that someone from outside the state could buy, but a BJP-led government reduced this in 2007 to 250 square metres. In 2017, the BJP government led by Trivendra Singh Rawat did away with restrictions altogether.

     
     
  15. On 12/15/2021 at 7:05 AM, Guest 111 said:

    Are there any differences in how Sikhi is practiced by Majha, Doaba and Malwa Sikhs? Which Sikhs are dominant in the diaspora? 

    Where do you live , Jee ? How is it where you are ?

     

    On 12/17/2021 at 3:08 AM, S1ngh said:

    They are all same in Sikhi wise. Majha has lot of historical religious connection as being closer to Lahore. Others were developed hundreds of years later on. 

    80’s revolution mostly hit Majha region - Amritsar/gurdaspur and were pressed down by hakumat for 2 decades while Doaba and malwa migrated to foreign lands during 70/80/90’s. Now out of that revolution, Majha is now migrating to Australia & Canada in large numbers. 

    Doaba migrated foreign lands in 50's and 60's and some even before that. In the UK, 60's was the big decade of big immigration. Gravesend had some in 50's I think

  16. 12 hours ago, Jassu said:

    I didn’t know where to post this (in either Sikh history or what’s happening), but I’m curious as to what mahants and masands are? I’m asking because my mother used mahant in a derogatory way towards my father and I’m curious if mahants the same as masands? Are they considered bad?

     

    6 hours ago, Suchi said:

    I thought you said your mum is a single parent? 

     

    2 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

    She forgets her story and everyday 

    Maybe she lost her father when younger? Maybe she is referring to old arguments between her parents

  17. Somewhat related...

    https://www.asianimage.co.uk/columnists/dearmassi/19788676.dear-massi-thinking-calling-wedding-off-keeps-pouting/

    7 hrs ago

    Dear Massi, I am thinking of calling the wedding off as she keeps ‘pouting’

    By Massi
    Dear Massi, I am thinking of calling the wedding off as she keeps ‘pouting’
     
     

    Dear Massi, I am thinking of calling the wedding off as she keeps ‘pouting’

     

     

    Dear Massi, I have been meeting someone for some months and we get on well. 

    We have taken things slowly are comfortable in each other’s company but are now looking to get married.

    I went to meet her sisters recently and when we were at the restaurant they all got up together and started taking selfies. All of them were pouting and it really put me off. People were watching and I got embarrassed. 

    I just can’t stop thinking about it now.I know she likes to post selfies but I have not noticed how she pouts? I also noticed that one of her friends has had bigger lips than before. Has she got lip-fillers? I don’t know I am afraid to ask? 

    I know people might think I am being a little strange but this is really bothering me. We do get on and she is a good person. The wedding is the last thing on my mind at the moment as I can’t get over the pouting.

    Massi says, If this is something that bothers you then you are better being honest right now rather than later. 

     

    It may be something that does out of habit or only with her friends. 

    I understand it is difficult conversation to bring up at this stage when two people are still getting to know one another. But it will be better to speak up about these things otherwise they will be left to fester and could affect how you both are towards one another later in life.

    Is her pouting bothering you so much that you are willing to call the wedding off? You did say that you both get on and you seem to be comfortable in her company?

    Maybe try to see this is as a minor gripe and not something that should cause you make a drastic decision in life. As she may well at this stage have noticed things about you that she is too polite to bring up.

  18. On 12/15/2021 at 7:05 AM, Guest 111 said:

    Are there any differences in how Sikhi is practiced by Majha, Doaba and Malwa Sikhs? Which Sikhs are dominant in the diaspora? 

     

    On 12/15/2021 at 7:05 AM, Guest 111 said:

    Are there any differences in how Sikhi is practiced by Majha, Doaba and Malwa Sikhs? Which Sikhs are dominant in the diaspora? 

    Doabe-wale have been the dominant in the 'West'. 

    Malwa after that, Majha last. But I understand Majhails have been going abroad in increasing number. 

    I would guess all UK Gurdware are led by mainly Doabe committees. Doabe wale make up at least 80-90% here I reckon

    I am not aware of any obviously different ways these groups practise.

    See

     

  19. https://www.thenational.scot/news/19778641.brother-jagtar-singh-johal-makes-plea-amid-jaggis-detention-india/

     

    12th December

    Brother of Jagtar Singh Johal makes plea amid 'Jaggi's' detention in India

     
    Gurpreet Singh Johal with a picture of Jaggi

    Gurpreet Singh Johal with a picture of Jaggi

    SCOTTISH solicitor Gurpreet Singh Johal has been campaigning for his brother’s release from detention in India for 1500 days.

    Jagtar, who was arrested shortly after his wedding in the Punjab region, has been accused of paying £4000 into a murder plot motivated by religion and politics.

    His family believe that allegation is related to his online Sikh activism through a website documenting historical violence against Sikhs in India.

    After four years, a trial has yet to be held and MPs from across the party spectrum have raised grave concerns, describing his treatment as arbitrary detention.

     

    Indian authorities have dismissed criticism and said they have the evidence they need. The UK Government says it is supporting Jagtar and his family.

    Today, in a plea to the public, Gurpreet says only public pressure will lead to change.

     

    MY brother woke up in an Indian jail cell today. He hasn’t slept in his own bed for 1500 days.

    My brother is so many things – a husband, an uncle, a grandson, a friend, a blogger, a researcher, an Arsenal supporter. But he’s not a criminal and he’s not been convicted of anything. Never mind being convicted, no formal charges have been framed against him on the serious allegations alleged him by the Indian state.

     

    Jagtar has been subjected to over 235 hearings and to date no evidence has been produced against him nor have any charges been framed on the serious allegations against him. Jagtar has been subjected to continuous adjournments by the Indian authorities.

    Our whole family is being punished for something he has not been tried or convicted of and after 1500 days we are still trying to get the UK Government to use the full weight of its diplomatic power to help us bring Jagtar home. A raft of parliamentarians and expert charities agree his treatment is arbitrary detention. Why doesn’t the UK Government agree?

    Those 1500 days have gone so slowly, but the world has shifted since Jagtar was abducted off the street just a fortnight after his wedding. We have since been through two prime ministers and four foreign secretaries. We have entered a global pandemic. We have hosted COP26 in Glasgow, the city where my brother was born. How much more will Jagtar miss? How much more of his life will be wasted in a cell in Delhi while ministers sit on their hands?

    more at :

    https://www.thenational.scot/news/19778641.brother-jagtar-singh-johal-makes-plea-amid-jaggis-detention-india/

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