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Meawhile I have got a source of Sarpanch jee's claims .. wait .. Punjabi Youth Forced into Drugs and Alcoholism: PAK RADIO :ph34r: http://www.medindia.net/news/Punjabi-Youth...ges-38441-1.htm

If it is such a well known fact then give me a source or link for your 'Indian establishment' crap baby. back up your claims .. and don't just shoot randomly in the air saying 'Indian Govt' .. 'Indian Govt' .. 'RAW' .. 'RAW' .. I am waiting ..

The whole of Panjab knows and the qoum knows,they are the ones who are sending drugs into Panjab in an effort to drug up Panjab's Youth - if you want to finish off a nation you introduce drugs,intoxicants then you target the youth of that nation before long all the youth will be hooked and the nation will be on its way out whole of Punjab .. i see. Can you point me to a source speaking for whole of punjab then ? this source should accuse the 'Indian Establishment' of spreading drugs in Punjab. I am asking you this because I am aware of your neutrality in all issues regarding hindus and India. thanks

>>its the Indian Establishment who are pumping drugs into the Panjab. what is the source of this statement ?

interesting .. you do know that taliban in its pristine Islamic form burned down all drug crops in Afghanistan. today Sky News and Fox News get up to say that drugs are being grown by taliban. fascinating ..

When taliban was in control of Afghanistan it was not a big issue. they used to burn and slash down fields that grew poppy. the problem started after 2001 after invasion of Afghanistan.

I stumbled upon the drug trade and CIA link while researching on some other topic. They are using Afghanistan as the poppy and opium cultivation centre to supply Europe and US. Some of that excess production finds its way to India. Especially those states bordering Pakistan.

I have just spotted Nihangs amongst those protesting against Dera .. .. in Chandigarh in IBN clip of Dera protests

I shall be using this report in various forums. thanks It is also interesting that heroin is the #1 drug which is processed from poppy grown mostly in Afghanistan without any control.

Russian Military Oligarch Accuses the CIA and MI-6 of Flooding Russia with Drugs There have been reports in mass media about the involvement of the U.S. military in Afghanistan in drug trafficking. I asked the well-known political scientist and specialist on organized crime Vladimir Filin to comment on this. -Vladimir Ilyich, is it true that Americans are involved in drug business? -Yes, they are in ideal situation for this. They control the Bagram airfield from where the Air Force transport planes fly to a U.S. military base in Germany. In the last two years this base became the largest transit hub for moving Afghan heroin to other US bases and installations in Europe. Much of it goes to Kosovo in the former Yugoslavia. From there the Kosovo Albanian mafia moves heroin back to Germany and other EU countries. 3 -Why such a complex arrangement? Drug traffickers enjoy relative safety on military bases. There is no serious control there. German police cannot work there. However, outside of military bases German law-enforcement is in effect. True, any police can be bought. But the level of corruption in Germany is not as high as, say, in Russia. This is why it is more convenient for Americans to establish distribution centers in other places. I believe that, in time, such centers will move to their military installations in Poznan, Poland, and also in Romania and Bulgaria. Poland is already a EU member. Romania and Bulgaria are expected to be in 2007. Corruption in these countries is almost as high as in Russia. -How big is American drug traffic to Europe and who is behind it? -About 15-20 tons of heroin a year. When Poznan become open, I think it could rise to 50, even 70 tons. Behind this business are the CIA and the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency). Actually, this is what they did already in Indochina in the 1960s-70s and in Central America in the 1980s. - What are the goals of these U.S. secret services? - In the first place, it's personal enrichment. Second, special services make huge amounts of money out of drug trafficking. They can spend this money at their own discretion, without the knowledge of the Congress and even the U.S. president. Finally, with this money secret services can solve certain political problems. For example, they can enter into mutually profitable agreements with Afghan warlords, who give "protection" to drug business in their fiefdoms. This also gives secret services powerful influence on Kosovo Albanian diaspora in Europe, which is more than one million strong. It is a kind of "fifth column" of the United States in "the old Europe." - And what are the consequences for Russia? -The new American route for drug trafficking creates an alternative to the old ones, which included transit through Russia. The new route is no longer controlled from inside Russia, but by other forces. So the smaller drug traffic through Russia is, the weaker is the drug mafia, which has contacts with external forces. - Does it mean that before this drug traffic was controlled by us? -Well, how should I put it? In 1994 the Talibs came from Pakistan to Afghanistan and took control of the southern part of the country. In 1996 they entered Kabul and two years later came to Kunduz. Ahmad Shah Masud was left just with Panjshir and a small territory on the border with Tajikistan. In Tajikistan itself, after the civil war power went to the Kuliab clan. They totally depended on Russia, on our 201st Division. Masud also depended on Russia. We sent him advisors and shipments. His aviation was based in Kuliab. In other words, Masud and Tajiks completely depended on Russia's support. Our influence was dominant. True, already back then the British entered into the picture, represented by Aga Khan IV Foundation. But that had only local significance. As to "special merchandise," mainly it always went--and for now continues to go--to Europe via Iran and Turkey. No more than 15 percent ever passed through Tajikistan. -And exactly who did this? -Tendencies, not names are important. Before 2000, Russia was not a significant user of heroin. Its population was too poor and heroin was expensive. Besides, there was no tradition of using heroin. So the main part of "special merchandise"--25-30 tons a year--went to Kosovo Albanians in Europe. You see, it's not that simple to traffic drugs from Afghanistan to Tajikistan, from there to Russia and from Russia to Europe, former Yugoslavia. It took a serious organization with much power and good protection. -You mean special services and the army? - Why necessarily the army? Aga Khan IV Foundation always did this as well. And then not the entire army was involved in this. - What did change after 2000? Oil prices went up. Russia was getting easy money and a large internal market was created. It's easier to get "special merchandise" from Tajikistan to Russia than to move it from Russia to Europe. Monopoly and centralization does not help here. On the contrary, more effective is decentralization, a cell structure based on the multitude of predominantly small and middle-size ethnic societies, Tajik, for example. Besides the Tajik, this business attracted the government circles of Turkmenistan. The country is well located for this: the Caspian Sea, Astrakhan, and Azerbaijan. Afghan heroin comes to Azerbaijan from Iran as well. It used to come from Turkey too before last spring when they closed Batum. I believe it won't stay closed for long. In the end, all this heroin reaches Russia. Our Azeri diaspora is two million strong, the Tajik one million. There are also Gypsies, the worst of them all. In short, there exists a ready retail network for drugs. Nor do they have problems with laundering drug money in Russia. The Moscow construction business alone can take care of this! Approximately in 2002 British MI-6 and DIS (British military intelligence) took control of this drug business. They control it indirectly, of course, but very effectively. - And how did this happen? - In the end of 2001 the British came to the Kanduz province. It's their zone in Afghanistan. Within the multinational forces they are responsible for drugs control in the entire Afghanistan, not just in their zone in the north. To be more precise, officially they are supposed to fight poppy cultivation. Not the Americans, but the British are responsible for that. They began by flooding with drugs their own country. The use of heroin in Britain went up 1,5 times within one year. And four fifth of all heroin was trafficked through Tajikistan. After that they decided that it was enough for Britain and turned to the Russian market. -How? - They recruited big narcobarons, who were prominent statesmen of Tajikistan and had influence with the Tajik diaspora in Russia. This gave them an established retail network, ties with corrupt elements in police, FSB, and the customs. Besides, they had old ties with some Russians in Tajikistan, in the military and the border service, who are having financial problems after our troops withdrew from Bosnia and Kosovo. Not that they became poor, but before they did not have to count their money and now they do. In other words, these people cannot resist when their old partners in the Tajik elite approach them with "business" proposals. This is a typical commercial recruiting through intermediaries, a traditional British method. -It turns out that the British control drug business in Russia? -Yes, indirectly they control about 70 percent of both whole and retail sales of heroin. They do this through Tajik and Russian citizens, recruited on a commercial basis. -What is to be done? How can we fight this? -This situation cannot be changed radically by controlling the shipments of acetic anhydride to Asian countries. Nor the recent arrest of Gafur "Gray-haired" will solve all problems. [One of the closest associates of Tajik President Emomali Rakhmonov and the former head of the Presidential Guard, General Gafur Mirzoev was arrested in August 2004. At the time of his arrest Mirzoyev was the head of Tajik Drug Control Agency http://www.nobf.ru/engl/news/news_archive_04.html]. There must be real struggle against corruption of customs officials and in the law-enforcement agencies. But with the present Russian administration these are pure dreams. However, I believe it is possible to scale down air and rail cargo transportation from Tajikistan, which will be also in the interests of our law-enforcement services. This would make harder large wholesale deliveries. Also something must be done with migration, both legal and not. This would be a blow to the network of drug dealers. In general, we need to cut down the traffic of Afghan heroin to our country by any means possible. - But where there is demand for drugs there will be supply. - Anyway, one has to fight this. We need to study the experience of other countries. There is one point of view--though I strongly disagree with it--that if heroin traffic is stopped, at least temporarily, it will be replaced by cocaine. That happened in the United States in the 1970s-80s after they had left Indochina. Cocaine is, of course, a poison, but heroin is much worse. -Why? In the first place, heroin is more harmful to health. Secondly, cocaine is more expensive and therefore less accessible. Thirdly, there is no Colombian diaspora in Russia, and in Colombia there are not enough representatives of those organizations that "control" Russian seaports. Colombia is not a Petersburg. It's a dangerous country for FSB agents, there is a war going on, you can be kidnapped or killed. In short, the [Colombian] connection is fragmented and less vulnerable to the US and British influence. Finally, we have only few seaports that ships from Latin America can call. In contrast, our borders with Central Asia and the Trans-Caucasus are immense. So it is easy to monitor and control [cocaine traffic]. -But you said you did not agree with this viewpoint? - Of course, I do not. It would be great to shield ourselves from all drugs. I just don't know how this can be done. Translated by Ralph Moody http://www.left.ru/inter/2005/narkobarons.phtml

Do a google with keywords 'drugs, CIA, Afghanistan'. It is very revealing. It will reveal who are the real kingpins of the international drug trade.

Exactly ! Read what you have written. Even Amitabh could have been targeted by unruly mobs roaming the streets. His parents lived in Delhi and everyone knew his mother was Sikh.

When did you do this study ? Which year ? Is there an increased supply of drugs in Punjab post-invasion of Afghanistan ?

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/heroin/historic.htm History of opium cultivation It seems in 1924, INC passed a resolution to ban opium cultivation and banned all consumption after 1947. Medicinal cultivation was legalised. India -A case study http://www.senliscouncil.net/documents/india_case_study

What must have most likely happened is that he (AB) might have been in some public gathering or crowd when the question was lobbed to him on his thoughts on Indira Gandhi's death. Seeing the expectant crowd around him and also the anti-Sikh sentiment prevailing then he would have told some reporter that the killers of Indira Gandhi should be punished to save his skin. Afterall what else can he say before a crowd. You must understand that though his mother was a Sikh but his father is a lala.

'Opium financed British rule in India' http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7460682.stm How narcotics and terror are linked http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jun/24terror.htm

Do you know who Amitabh Bachchan is .. plz check his background. His mother is Teji Kaur Suri who was direct descendent of Guru Nanak Dev's son Baba Lakhmi Das. No son can seek for destruction of his mother's family or community. In fact son's are attached to their mothers than their father. Same with Amitabh.

>>Gurprit's school conducted an investigation and within hours advised her that a classmate (a juvenile who shall remain nameless) It is not a white girl .. otherwise they would have named her easily.

It is highly improbable .. Amitabh's mother Teji Bachchan (now passed away) was previously Teji Suri, a Sardarni. Some eye-witnesses to the riots have been saying absolute rubbish for some time to save the skin of Sajjan Kumar and Jagdish Tytler. At first they said they saw Sajjan Kumar and Jagdish Tytler in their original statments to the court. .. but after they were bribed or intimidated they turned their testimony on its head and said some of the most unbelievable things like seeing Amitabh Bachchan or Amjad Khan or villain Ajit as aiding rioters to either confuse investigators or to put sand in the eyes of the court.

>> considers rapists of nuns and other non hindus as "Patriots" these guys are funny and have a twisted imagination. these days the instances of such exhibition of patriotism have grown less but I still remember during early 2000s when these "Patriots" used to rape helpless nuns and rape helpless muslim women in Gujrat and consider it chivalrous. these jokers are basically playing around like a sword which has just been given to a monkey and it knows not which way to swing it. btw a lot of people blame KPS Gill on this forum. But one creditworthy he did was that when the Gujarat riots were at its peak, the state police and paramilitary (we can call it 'hindu' paramilitary I guess, it was called PAC (Provincial Armed Constabulary)) used to only open fire on muslim rioters in an hindu-muslim riot. But after KPS Gill was given charge of controlling Gujarat riot he asked the police guys to open fire on the other side (the hindu side) and that is how the riot was quickly bought to an end. The 30-40% casualty that hindus suffered during the riots were purely after KPS Gill took over charge. Before that only muslims were getting shot and killed. Both by rioters as well as by local police

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/M...how/3079676.cms

to be fair this move has come after the breaking of the border in RS Singh pura last month by Islamic terrorists. And then then broke into houses of unarmed civilians and killed a few hindus. So the people esp hindus and Gujjar muslims living on the border are now being given weapons for self-defence.

Give me a good reason why Jagdish Tytler and that ordinary rioter Sajjan Kumar are still alive. They should have been shot dead ages ago. Secondly Bombay Sikhs needed support of Sikhs all over India who should have arrived in trains, buses and ensured a chakka jam in mumbai and showed their power. Sadly nothing happened. Sikhs only show their unity in Punjab. Many are just too obsessed with the soft life that modern life provides. Where is that fearless and 'give a damn' attitude ? It needs to be revived.

Please everyone read this article on how Pakistan treats Sikhs http://pakistaniat.com/2007/05/02/pakistan...comment-page-4/ Lahore Embraces Sikh Traffic Cop Posted on May 2, 2007 Filed Under >> Adil Najam, Minorities, People, Law and Justice and this is what happens a few weeks later: Please tune in here for a sample of Pakistan's RESPECT for Sikhs:

this is pure bovine excreta of the smelliest kind. You mean a token granthi who arrives when a few Sikhs visit Pakistan on darshan is 'Kuleh darshan' (open session). oh I c. What happened in 1947 then. Sikhs should have been allowed to stay back in Pakistan no .. by your broad-minded respectful Punjabi brothers. What happened .. why were people chased out of and women raped and property looted. probably this happened due to hindus. Please read the reports that came in the news of a single Sikh traffic constable who was installed with great fanfare and then some fellow traffic guy took a swipe at his turban in a heated argument and his boss supported the muslim guy. The Sikh traffic constable (head constable) then decided to quit the force in disgust at his senior taking sides. THESE ARE GUYS WHO CANNOT HANDLE A SINGLE SIKH OFFICER. AND YOU TALK ABOUT RESPECT.