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WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH I forgot to ask is peer the same as fakir? i know fakir means spiritual poverty (always hungry for spirituality) does peer mean the same? WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Thanks for clearing that up coz i nearly got confused then. By the way sorry if this is off topic but.... Hindus believe the awaited kalki avtar has aleady came.... Baha'ullah, the prophet of Bahai faith... Hinduism prophecised him.... http://bahai-library.com/books/hinduism/ch4.htm http://www.bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/buddhasa.htm WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH V. Good idea. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH I've got good news. If and when we are going to make a petition, in www.ussikhs.com, we are going to get our own petition script, in 24 hrs, God willing!!! WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Thanks paaji. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH I found it! http://www.ivarta.com/ic_writefor.htm Is anyone good in writing? Someone who is good at english? If so please write this article!!! If no one does, then i'll do it, but if someones gonna do it please let us know, and tell us the link of the partition artile so we can add to it. WAHEGURU JI KA KHASLA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH I found this petition thing... from Rani sisters topic .... but i cant see where it says to start a new petition... http://www.indiacause.com/cause/iv001_russia_temple.aspx We need to start a petition... but does anyone know a site which allows us to do that? WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH i suggest you lot read what he had written in the forum... he said where are all the Sikhs... or should i call them ex-hindus? That was a sick comment, esp coz he 'claimed' to be a ex-Sikh, if he was a ex-Sikh then that comment doesnt make sense?! If your getting what im onna bout. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Im posting a reply to RajS (from a forum that he posted in 2001) coz i dunno if moderators are gonna post it. Taken from: http://indiaculture.net/talk/messages/65/9...html?1008779317 WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH I havent got time to write much. Redeemed (Rajs): Rajs ive told you about my experience wiv God b4 so im not gonna start again about it... you must of got sick of listening to my story. 1. They havent been given God status, if you read Gurbani, didnt Guru Nanak Dev Ji say im a lowly worm, how is that God status? God is the undescrible with no form or shape in Sikhi. 2. He never went against this statement. Guru Nanak when asked what he was, he said im nor Hindu nor Muslim but im going to create a third. And how is that going against his own statement? The meaning of the statement is in God's eyes everyone is equal, no one will be judged if their born a Hindu or a Muslim but rather on thier devotion to God and deeds and there not just automatically destined for Mukti if their born in a certain faith.as the ppl of that era thought 'im going to Heaven coz im born in religion X etc' 3. Erm... if you remember that Guru Nanak Dev Ji said im nor Hindu nor Muslim... if he never wore the 5K's how does that make him a Hindu, when he said he aint one? (same with the other Guru's too) The reason if your wondering is why didnt they wear the 5K's... thats coz it was God's will for certain prophets to preach certain things... and the tenth prophet is going to finalise his new religion... as each prophet (Guru) had symbolised summething different (or are remembered for something specific)even though there message was the same since and since God's message was sent to the ppl, then since they were 'pure' from the inside then it would be improtant to be 'pure' from the outside... looking how God had wanted us too. 4. Yes God is more concerned with our relationship with him, but also is concerned how much we love him... which is what the 5k's show... ppl are more into looks... looking HOW THEY WANT... only the ppl with the most love for God will sacrifice how they want to look and start to look how God wants them to look...ie wearing the 5K's... in a way you can call it a test of how much devotion we have to God. 5. Erm... even Churches, Mosques etc all have arguments about this... as you said in Sikhsangat.com it dont matter what the followers of the faith do... that doesnt mean the religion preaches it... but some how you didnt write that on this post. Since Sikhi doesnt say argue about this stuff ect. 6. Perhaps u face the reality, that we do need them... ppl are more disciplied wearing the 5K'S coz thier appearance will remind them what they stand for and will stop them from doing bad things coz they know ppl will realise him as a part of the 'Khalsa' who are ment to be pure. And anyways the 5K's also have science reasonings behind them and the Kirpan is for self-defence to prevent injustice from happening... which is important in this day n age.. looking at society. 7. Guru Gobind Singh Ji only had one wife... he was associated with polygamy coz he dressed like a King and as usual igronant punjabis thought he had more than one wife since ppl (Kings/rulers) who use to dress like kings use to have more than one wife. Guru Nanak Dev Ji never left his wife and kids... yes he preached around the world, coz God told him to... as that was his job was (as God had appointed him as a prophet)now what you said thats just like saying when a man leaves for work 9-5pm hes 'left his wife and kids'... i mean what the...? 8. For starters Bindrawale or Osma aint animals. Hinduism/ Islam/ Sikhism dont teach anything about God? Thats weird as accoridng to my knowledge... Sikhi says Ik onkar, sat naam, karta purakh etc (isnt that talking about God?) Islam says there is no God but God and his prophet Muhammed (pbuh) (Isnt that talking about God?) Hinduism talks about God doesnt it when it talks about Om....? And regards to human life... dont all of these religions talk about sanctatity of life and how precious life is? AND IM STILL AWAITING MY ANSWERS FROM YOU, ABOUT CHRISTIANITY- WHICH YOU HAD QUESTIONNED SIKHI WHICH WAS ANSWERED BY THE SIKHS, ISNT IT YOUR TURN TO REPLY TO THE ASKED QUESTIONS FROM A 16 YR OLD (ME) TO YOU ON SIKHSANGAT.COM WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH I just written this to all the contacts given, i dunno if it sounds professional or not, but i had to write summet to stop this happening. If anyone wants to copy n paste this to email anyone- feel free (but you might wanna check it coz it might not make sense- nothing i write makes sense lol- i end up confusing everyone). Its just came in my mind why dont we write one email- which tells about whats going on- which we can email to every Sikh which they can forward- which they can put thier names on to say thier against this (like the email which you could add the name on for the Russia Mandir thing). In this way Indian Sikhs will be able to know whats really going on and will try to stop this from happening by these forwards educating them. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Thanks you so much for the contacts. V. much appreciated. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH SatKirin Workshop & Mantra Jam Event Posted by: Sat Kirin Kaur Khalsa Email Contact: satkirin@gmail.com Web Site For Event: www.satkirin.com Brief Description: SatKirin Workshop & Mantra Jam City: Ny State/Province: Ny Country where event is happening: United States Event Date: 02/25/2006 Duration (in days): 1 Event Detailed Description : MANTRA JAM & WORKSHOP: Mantra Demystified Experience "Gurbani Kirtan," devotional and transformational meditative singing, originating over 550 years ago with the monotheistic teachings of Guru Nanak Dev ji. It is a call-and-response style of singing, facilitating a deep connection with the One Creator, "the one within everyone." The first half of the program will be a workshop introducing participants to how mantra works as well as a guided experience of mantra. This deep meditation will be followed by a high energy, sing-along mantra jam with live musical accompaniment by Satkirin (vocals) , Andy Lowe (bass guitar) and Tomas Rodriguez (flamenco guitar). SatKirin Kaur Khalsa is a Sikh minister, musician and an NGO representative at the UN. She performs and teaches Gurbani Kirtan throughout the US, South America and India. She has produced six CD's, including her most recent release Lightness of Being(see www.satkirin.com). February 25 Saturday 7-9 pm $18(in advance) $20 (at door) For more information or to pre-register contact: satkirin@gmail.com or 718.768.0557 . Tickets can be purchased at www.spiritvoyage.com Location: SUFI BOOKS 227 West Broadway (between Franklin & White St. in Tribeca) New York, NY 10013 212-334-5212 www.sufibooks.com Subway: 1 train to Franklin St. or A, C or E to Canal St. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Four in court over bed stabbing Four people have been charged with solicitation to murder after a Warwickshire man was stabbed 25 times as he lay in bed. Jas Sanghera, 41, was attacked as he slept at Grove Lane, Keresley End, near Bedworth, in November 2005. He is still seriously ill and needs constant care. Balwinder Kaur Sanghera, 39, Amrita Sanghera, 19 and Jaspreet Sanghera, 17, all of Walsall and Inderpal Singh Dail, 23, of Dudley have all been charged. They are due to appear at Nuneaton Magistrates Court on Wednesday WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH the police all over india is the same corrupt whether it is punjab haryana , up or bihar.recently in uttar pradesh police officers were caught on the camera in sting operation by television for charging money for encounter.the rates are from 1000 to 100000 for killing a person 152925[/snapback] Thats shoking. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Thanks for sharing. And by the way mint pic. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Thanks, i really appreciate all of your suggestions, i will take them on to help me revise. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH They aint got no right to destroy that place. They cant make the decision to destroy a Sikh historical place for every Sikh in the world. We Sikhs have a right to visit that place as Guru Ji had left it. And most of all they cant decide to do that- when the Guru instructed for it under akaal purakhs will. What kind of Sikhs are they? If there is any links that i can contact please tell me. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH I got exam coming up... i need to revise... but my mind keeps on wondering off... either to the pc or wanting to listen to Gurbani (thats a good thing) but i dont get no revison hardly done. And when im trying to revise i end up trying to change the subject and start munching on chocolate instead :lol: @ to avoid thinking about revision. lol i know this sounds crazy but i cant concentrate at all n jus go on the pc to avoid revision. Is there anything i can do? Is there any shabads which can persuade me to revise? WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Here is a link about the two headed boy of Bengal mentioned in the documentry yesterday; http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/186_bengalboy1.shtml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craniopagus_parasiticus WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH about the law.... the law allows it because its a million-dollar (if not billion) industry which provides more money for tax... which is why they dont prevent this. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Ted bundy (executed 17 yr ago) didnt blame pornography, he said he admitted to the murder and said its his own actions. The point that he made was that violence encouraged him into this especialy hard core porn which he got addicted to- so he got attached to it, which made him want to do things for real coz he got 'bored of it' and the excitement went. Which is why Gurbani tells us to control our lust coz this is what out lust does if its not controlled. Lust drives ppl crazy, and watching porn increases this lust which they want more and more eventually some will cross the line from hardcore pornography to ending up wanting to murder and rape to get the 'pleasue' for real. And there was also a point made that all the killers and rapists have watched porn (which they must of been addicted too- coz it gets addictive) according to the FBI survey. Surely thats saying summet. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Good points there; You could mention about the diversity of food in India from South to the north, you could even mention how the Mughals influenced some foods (i think chicken tikka if im correct) The different languages spoken in India in different states- different dialects etc. The caste system influencing India... and the tsunami... how the caste system made the lower castes clean up. History of India- we use to be one of the richest countries in the world in 1700's until British invaded India. How the British affected India... divide and rule... caused ppl to unite towards unity... and caused them to fight against each other... the British mutiny... masaccre at Amritsar... how Indians ended up in Africa and then to other countries. You could mention that when the Brish came- they left a good health practise system in India.. so when Britain needed more docs etc for the NHS (in the 80's in think) they got ppl from India.. since theier medical practise was the same as the Britishes since India used to be part of its empire History of partition of Pakistan and India- how ppl were affected, 1 million slaughtered, 10 million (i think) had to migrate- which was the largest mass migration in the world i think. Poverty in India... 2/3rd poor i think... how much Indians get paid on average. How many Indians are in other countries, their reasons. India's wars with other countries. India's alliance wiv other countries. How religion has affected India... Gujrat riots, '84 ike the brothr suggested, how the muslim-hindu conflict started etc. India's film industries... bollywood- how thats affected ppl across the globe from gorai to Afghanistani's to Pakistani's. I think kollywood (not too sure) is also another Indian film industry aswell. Bollywood being the biggets film industry in the world (i think it makes nearly twice as much film than hollywood in a year). How mainly middle class ppl go to watch these film... cant remember but i think 15 million a day go to cinemas in India etc. India's energy demand and how that affects the world... India's economy booming... and what that could mean for the world. Multi national companies (cant remember if thats the right word) using India to save money such as call centres, and how Indian's are benefitting and how British n American companies are benefitting. And on the other side how ppl are being exploited by these companies such as children are forced to work for these companies for very very cheap, even though the companes could of gave them a higher wage. Wildlife in India... its national animal... its national plant, extinct speicies etc and diversity etc. General history in India... such as floods, mudslides. And how deforsting ion India is affecting India aswell as Bangladesh If you need help in searching about any of the stuff just tell me, ill try my best to get some info for you. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH A few more points; ppl watch pornography because of LUST and pornography becomes a ATTACHMENT, this attachment leads to all this... murder rape etc. Do some of these words become familiar? Gurbani warns us about this (attachment and lust)... and tells us how to control it... through the naam. I also saw another video about Ted bundy and all this (in college) which told about ppl watch soft core pornography first (and they become attached to it) and then when they get bored they start to watch hardcore pornography (more violent pornography) when some ppl get bored of this... they cross the line... the line is that they want to do it for real... they get bored of watching it... they want to actually do it! (rape and murder and also leads to paedophiles!!). Pornography also can ruins marriages coz you can imagine what would happen if the partner is addicted to pornography, what the reaction of the partner would be. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH Conclusion: Notice that he said all of the ppl in his jail had watched some sort of pornography that were in jail! All of them were in jail for offenses such as killing, murder and rape! Its not to say all the ppl that watch pornography will murder, rape etc but it can unfluence them. WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH PORNOGRAPHY KILLS I thought i'd share this with the sangat as many of you may not be aware about how dangerous pornography is, so you may prevent this happening, so you can share this wiv ur mates etc. warning: Some things in this article may be disturbing This article is on a REAL LIFE story of a person and how violent pornography influenced him to commit murders and this is extract of what was said on the interview (ive seen the interview- so i know this stuff aint made up): copied n pasted from: http://www.pureintimacy.org/gr/intimacy/un...ng/a0000082.cfm Ted Bundy, an infamous serial killer, granted an interview to psychologist James Dobson just before he was executed on January 24, 1989. In that interview, he described the agony of his addiction to pornography. Bundy goes back to his roots, explaining the development of his compulsive behavior. He reveals his addiction to hard-core pornography and how it fueled the terrible crimes he committed. A road that leads to nowhere When Ted Bundy was thirteen years old, he discovered “dirty magazines” in a dump near his home. He was instantly captivated by them. In time, Bundy became more and more addicted to violent images in magazines and videos. He got his kicks from seeing women being tortured and murdered. When he tired of that, there was only one place his addiction could go - from fantasy to reality. Bundy, a good-looking, intelligent law student, learned to lure women into his car by various forms of deception. He would put a cast on his arm or leg, then walk across a university campus carrying several books. When he saw an interesting coed standing or walking alone, he’d “accidentally” drop the books near her. The girl would help him gather them and take them to his car. Then he would entice her or push her into the vehicle where she was taken captive. After he had molested the girl and the rage of passion had passed, she would be killed and Bundy would dump her body in a region where it would not be found for months. This went on for years. By the time he was apprehended, Bundy had killed at least twenty-eight young women and girls in acts too horrible to contemplate. He was finally convicted and sentenced to death for killing a twelve-year-old girl and dumping her body in a pigsty. After more than ten years of appeals and legal maneuvering, a judge gave the order for Bundy’s execution. That week, he asked an attorney to call me and request that I come to Florida State Prison for a final interview. When I arrived, I discovered a circus-like atmosphere outside the prison. Teenagers carried signs saying “Burn, Bundy, Burn,” and “You’re Dead, Ted.” Also in the crowd were more than 300 reporters who had come to get a story on the killer’s last hours, but Bundy wouldn’t talk to them. He had something important to say, and he believed the media couldn’t be trusted to report it accurately. Therefore, I was invited to bring a camera crew to record his last comments from death. I’ll never forget that experience. I went through seven steel doors and metal detectors so sensitive that my tie tack and the nails in my shoes were enough to set off an alarm. Finally, I reached an inner chamber where Bundy and I were to meet. He was brought in, strip-searched, and then surrounded by six prison guards while he talked to me. Midway through our conversation, the lights suddenly went dim. Ted said, “Just wait a moment, and they will come back on.” I didn’t realize until later what had happened. The prisoner knew that his executioners were testing the electric chair that would take his life the next morning. Ted Bundy wanted to tell the world about pornography What was it that Ted Bundy was so anxious to say? He felt he owed it to society to warn of the dangers of hard-core pornography and to explain how it had led him to murder so many innocent women and girls. With tears in his eyes, he described the monster that took possession of him when he had been drinking. His craze to kill was always inflamed by violent pornography. Quoted below is an edited transcript of the conversation that occurred just seventeen hours before Ted was led to the electric chair. James C. Dobson: It is about 2:30 in the afternoon. You are scheduled to be executed tomorrow morning at 7:00, if you don’t receive another stay. What is going through your mind? What thoughts have you had in these last few days? Ted: I won’t kid you to say it is something I feel I’m in control of or have come to terms with. It’s a moment-by-moment thing. Sometimes I feel very tranquil and other times I don’t feel tranquil at all. What’s going through my mind right now is to use the minutes and hours I have left as fruitfully as possible. It helps to live in the moment, in the essence that we use it productively. Right now I’m feeling calm, in large part because I’m here with you. JCD: For the record, you are guilty of killing many women and girls. Ted: Yes, that’s true. JCD: How did it happen? Take me back. What are the antecedents of the behavior that we’ve seen? You were raised in what you consider to be a healthy home. You were not physically, sexually or emotionally abused. Ted: No. And that’s part of the tragedy of this whole situation. I grew up in a wonderful home with two dedicated and loving parents, as one of 5 brothers and sisters. We, as children, were the focus of my parent’s lives. We regularly attended church. My parents did not drink or smoke or gamble. There was no physical abuse or fighting in the home. I’m not saying it was “Leave it to Beaver”, but it was a fine, solid Christian home. I hope no one will try to take the easy way out of this and accuse my family of contributing to this. I know, and I’m trying to tell you as honestly as I know how, what happened. As a young boy of 12 or 13, I encountered, outside the home, in the local grocery and drug stores, softcore pornography. Young boys explore the sideways and byways of their neighborhoods, and in our neighborhood, people would dump the garbage. From time to time, we would come across books of a harder nature - more graphic. This also included detective magazines, etc., and I want to emphasize this. The most damaging kind of pornography - and I’m talking from hard, real, personal experience - is that that involves violence and sexual violence. The wedding of those two forces - as I know only too well - brings about behavior that is too terrible to describe. JCD: Walk me through that. What was going on in your mind at that time? Ted: Before we go any further, it is important to me that people believe what I’m saying. I’m not blaming pornography. I’m not saying it caused me to go out and do certain things. I take full responsibility for all the things that I’ve done. That’s not the question here. The issue is how this kind of literature contributed and helped mold and shape the kinds of violent behavior. JCD: It fueled your fantasies. Ted: In the beginning, it fuels this kind of thought process. Then, at a certain time, it is instrumental in crystallizing it, making it into something that is almost a separate entity inside. JCD: You had gone about as far as you could go in your own fantasy life, with printed material, photos, videos, etc., and then there was the urge to take that step over to a physical event. I was a normal person. I had good friends. I led a normal life, except for this one, small but very potent and destructive segment that I kept very secret and close to myself. Ted: Once you become addicted to it, and I look at this as a kind of addiction, you look for more potent, more explicit, more graphic kinds of material. Like an addiction, you keep craving something which is harder and gives you a greater sense of excitement, until you reach the point where the pornography only goes so far - that jumping off point where you begin to think maybe actually doing it will give you that which is just beyond reading about it and looking at it. JCD: How long did you stay at that point before you actually assaulted someone? Ted: A couple of years. I was dealing with very strong inhibitions against criminal and violent behavior. That had been conditioned and bred into me from my neighborhood, environment, church, and schools. I knew it was wrong to think about it, and certainly, to do it was wrong. I was on the edge, and the last vestiges of restraint were being tested constantly, and assailed through the kind of fantasy life that was fueled, largely, by pornography. JCD: Do you remember what pushed you over that edge? Do you remember the decision to “go for it”? Do you remember where you decided to throw caution to the wind? Ted: It’s a very difficult thing to describe - the sensation of reaching that point where I knew I couldn’t control it anymore. The barriers I had learned as a child were not enough to hold me back from seeking out and harming somebody. JCD: Would it be accurate to call that a sexual frenzy? Ted: That’s one way to describe it - a compulsion, a building up of this destructive energy. Another fact I haven’t mentioned is the use of alcohol. In conjunction with my exposure to pornography, alcohol reduced my inhibitions and pornography eroded them further. JCD: After you committed your first murder, what was the emotional effect? What happened in the days after that? Ted: Even all these years later, it is difficult to talk about. Reliving it through talking about it is difficult to say the least, but I want you to understand what happened. It was like coming out of some horrible trance or dream. I can only liken it to (and I don’t want to overdramatize it) being possessed by something so awful and alien, and the next morning waking up and remembering what happened and realizing that in the eyes of the law, and certainly in the eyes of God, you’re responsible. To wake up in the morning and realize what I had done with a clear mind, with all my essential moral and ethical feelings intact, absolutely horrified me. JCD: You hadn’t known you were capable of that before? Ted: There is no way to describe the brutal urge to do that, and once it has been satisfied, or spent, and that energy level recedes, I became myself again. Basically, I was a normal person. There are those loose in their towns and communities, like me, whose dangerous impulses are being fueled, day in and day out, by violence in the media in its various forms - particularly sexualized violence. Ted: I wasn’t some guy hanging out in bars, or a bum. I wasn’t a pervert in the sense that people look at somebody and say, “I know there’s something wrong with him.” I was a normal person. I had good friends. I led a normal life, except for this one, small but very potent and destructive segment that I kept very secret and close to myself. Those of us who have been so influenced by violence in the media, particularly pornographic violence, are not some kind of inherent monsters. We are your sons and husbands. We grew up in regular families. Pornography can reach in and snatch a kid out of any house today. It snatched me out of my home 20 or 30 years ago. As diligent as my parents were, and they were diligent in protecting their children, and as good a Christian home as we had, there is no protection against the kinds of influences that are loose in a society that tolerates.... JCD: Outside these walls, there are several hundred reporters that wanted to talk to you, and you asked me to come because you had something you wanted to say. You feel that hardcore pornography, and the door to it, softcore pornography, is doing untold damage to other people and causing other women to be abused and killed the way you did. Ted: I’m no social scientist, and I don’t pretend to believe what John Q. Citizen thinks about this, but I’ve lived in prison for a long time now, and I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence. Without exception, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography - deeply consumed by the addiction. The F.B.I.’s own study on serial homicide shows that the most common interest among serial killers is pornographers. It’s true. JCD: What would your life have been like without that influence? Ted: I know it would have been far better, not just for me, but for a lot of other people - victims and families. There’s no question that it would have been a better life. I’m absolutely certain it would not have involved this kind of violence. JCD: If I were able to ask the kind of questions that are being asked, one would be, “Are you thinking about all those victims and their families that are so wounded? Years later, their lives aren’t normal. They will never be normal. Is there remorse?” Ted: I know people will accuse me of being self-serving, but through God’s help, I have been able to come to the point, much too late, where I can feel the hurt and the pain I am responsible for. Yes. Absolutely! During the past few days, myself and a number of investigators have been talking about unsolved cases - murders I was involved in. It’s hard to talk about all these years later, because it revives all the terrible feelings and thoughts that I have steadfastly and diligently dealt with - I think successfully. It has been reopened and I have felt the pain and the horror of that. I hope that those who I have caused so much grief, even if they don’t believe my expression of sorrow, will believe what I’m saying now; there are those loose in their towns and communities, like me, whose dangerous impulses are being fueled, day in and day out, by violence in the media in its various forms - particularly sexualized violence. What scares me is when I see what’s on cable T.V. Some of the violence in the movies that come into homes today is stuff they wouldn’t show in X-rated adult theatres 30 years ago. JCD: The slasher movies? Ted: That is the most graphic violence on screen, especially when children are unattended or unaware that they could be a Ted Bundy; that they could have a predisposition to that kind of behavior. JCD: One of the final murders you committed was 12-year-old Kimberly Leach. I think the public outcry is greater there because an innocent child was taken from a playground. What did you feel after that? Were they the normal emotions after that? Ted: I can’t really talk about that right now. It’s too painful. I would like to be able to convey to you what that experience is like, but I won’t be able to talk about that. I can’t begin to understand the pain that the parents of these children and young women that I have harmed feel. And I can’t restore much to them, if anything. I won’t pretend to, and I don’t even expect them to forgive me. I’m not asking for it. That kind of forgiveness is of God; if they have it, they have it, and if they don’t, maybe they’ll find it someday. JCD: Do you deserve the punishment the state has inflicted upon you? Ted: That’s a very good question. I don’t want to die; I won’t kid you. I deserve, certainly, the most extreme punishment society has. And I think society deserves to be protected from me and from others like me. That’s for sure. What I hope will come of our discussion is that I think society deserves to be protected from itself. As we have been talking, there are forces at loose in this country, especially this kind of violent pornography, where, on one hand, well-meaning people will condemn the behavior of a Ted Bundy while they’re walking past a magazine rack full of the very kinds of things that send young kids down the road to being Ted Bundys. That’s the irony. I’m talking about going beyond retribution, which is what people want with me. There is no way in the world that killing me is going to restore those beautiful children to their parents and correct and soothe the pain. But there are lots of other kids playing in streets around the country today who are going to be dead tomorrow, and the next day, because other young people are reading and seeing the kinds of things that are available in the media today. JCD: There is tremendous cynicism about you on the outside, I suppose, for good reason. I’m not sure there’s anything you could say that people would believe, yet you told me (and I have heard this through our mutual friend, John Tanner) that you have accepted the forgiveness of Jesus Christ and are a follower and believer in Him. Do you draw strength from that as you approach these final hours? Ted: I do. I can’t say that being in the Valley of the Shadow of Death is something I’ve become all that accustomed to, and that I’m strong and nothing’s bothering me. It’s no fun. It gets kind of lonely, yet I have to remind myself that every one of us will go through this someday in one way or another. JCD: It’s appointed unto man. Ted: Countless millions who have walked this earth before us have gone through this, so this is just an experience we all share. Ted Bundy was executed at 7:15 am the day after this conversation was recorded. Audio and video cassettes of Dr. Dobson’s interview with Ted Bundy can be requested from Focus on the Family by calling 1-800-A-FAMILY. Life on the Edge, Dr. James Dobson, Copyright © 1995 Word Publishing, Nashville, Tennessee. All rights reserved To buy the audio of Ted Bundy here is a link: http://www.family.org/resources/itempg.cfm...33&sid=77&pid=0 To buy the video cassette of Ted bundi here is a link: http://www.family.org/resources/itempg.cfm...32&sid=77&pid=0 WAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA WAHEGURU JI KI FATEH.