khalsaman1

Jagara gajave! Shaheeda de man nu bhave! Nihal ho jaavai! Is kute dusht nu joonan vich bhave! Satsriakal.

Sorry to hear this veerji. I suggest you read Dasam bani and the background on why Dasam Patshah told the Khalsa to always be tyar bar tyar.

There's no need to apologize when everything that happens, including this debate, is under Waheguru's will. All the best.

I entered this thread because I was upset that so called "Sikhs" were calling for the mass murder of Muslims. You have done nothing but insult me since I made that post. Your position is very clear here. You too support the destruction of an entire group of people, simply because you do not agree with the religion they were born into. You hide behind the facades of religion by claiming to be a Sikh of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. You don't have an ounce of Sikhism in your body.

Keep up the good work. Defending the mass murder of innocent people while hiding behind the facades of religion. With each and every post, you spit on Dasmesh Pita. Take down that picture. You are an embarrassment.

Amrit is the first step. Now you must purify your mind. My first suggestion is to log off your computer. Indulging in meaningless debate with moorakhs does not accomplish anything.

Who are we to slander other religions when our own minds are impure? Waheguru created Islam, as Waheguru has created everything. By slandering Islam, we are slandering Waheguru....how do you not understand this? You claim to not be an ego-maniac, yet you mentioned "daas" 9 times in that last post. Why do I even bother...

Again, you are lying to your mann. A Sikh of Guru Nanak Dev Ji does not slander posters for defending innocent humans. You have indirectly agreed that it is okay to mass murder all Muslims by taking the harsh stance you have taken against me. How do you not understand that?

ਮਨ ਤੂੰ ਗਾਰਬਿ ਅਟਿਆ ਗਾਰਬਿ ਲਦਿਆ ਜਾਹਿ ॥ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹਣੀ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਫਿਰਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਜੂਨੀ ਭਵਾਹਿ ॥ ਗਾਰਬਿ ਲਾਗਾ ਜਾਹਿ ਮੁਗਧ ਮਨ ਅੰਤਿ ਗਇਆ ਪਛੁਤਾਵਹੇ ॥ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਤਿਸਨਾ ਰੋਗੁ ਲਗਾ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਜਨਮੁ ਗਵਾਵਹੇ ॥ ਮਨਮੁਖ ਮੁਗਧ ਚੇਤਹਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਅਗੈ ਗਇਆ ਪਛੁਤਾਵਹੇ ॥ ਇਉ ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਮਨ ਤੂੰ ਗਾਰਬਿ ਅਟਿਆ ਗਾਰਬਿ ਲਦਿਆ ਜਾਵਹੇ ॥੬॥

Let's summarize this thread. -A poster calls for the mass-murder of all muslims. -I say that is ridiculously anti-Sikh as we are all human beings and Waheguru lives within us all. -I'm called a "liberal Sikh" and attacked by posters for defending Islam. This forum is an absolute cesspool of moorakhs.

Correct. However, calling for the mass murder of all muslims will not give anyone mukti. What part of that do you posters not understand? If a being becomes one with Waheguru through naam, he does not spout off hate.

You are lying to your mann. You are openly saying that Waheguru is in everyone but you are so polluted by ego and hatred, you don't actually believe this. If you actually believe Waheguru exists in everyone, you would not be spouting off the way you are.

You have done some bhagti in your life but not enough to avoid being devoured by ego. You are an ego-maniac. However, Waheguru can still save you. You must beg for forgiveness and see Waheguru within every being, regardless of caste, creed, or religion.

'My mission is to administer Amrit, to explain the meanings of Gurbani and to teach Gurbani to those around me; ... and (to tell people) that a Hindu should be a firm Hindu, a Muslim should be a firm Muslim, and a Sikh should be a firm Sikh. If we speak to someone with hatred and try to assert our superiority, it will create hatred in the minds of everyone. So long as we have the spirit of love, so long as we have the support of Satguru Hargobind Sahib, the Master of Miri and Piri, is there any power on earth that can subdue us?' -Panth de mahaan soorbir Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa, Bhindranwale.

Most "Sikhs" don't believe in the principles of Sikhism. What is your point? Waheguru permeates everywhere. Yes, Waheguru also existed in Aurangzeb. However, most of us are unable to find Waheguru within ourselves. Waheguru is only found within, under the will of Waheguru. Everything happens in the will of Waheguru, including moorakh's spouting off hatred against other religions on internet message boards.

So many moorakhs on this forum... To blast an entire religion over the actions of a few is absolutely what a moorakh would do. I guess Sikhism ain't peaceful either because of butcher KP Gill, Beanta, etc. A true Muslim will break the cycle of life and death by living an honest life. See Sheikh Farid and Hazrat Mian Mir. Just as a true Sikh will break the cycle of life and death by living an honest life. See countless examples... Waheguru exists in every human being.

Islam is not our enemy. We are all one race. Human beings. Until you understand this, you will never end the cylce of birth and death.

Wait, so joining in unison with innocent Muslims because they're getting slaughtered by a corrupt government is anti-Sikh? What Sikhi do you guys belong to? Sikhs fight for justice. Whether justice for our own kaum or for other kaums.

Guru pyareo, Religion is not the end. Religion is a means to an end. Every human being, regardless of religion, seeks Waheguru. I can say with confidence that being a = Sikh is both the easiest path to God and the toughest path to God. The easiest in the sense that we have a very strict rehat that should keep us from falling prey to the 5 evils. However, also the toughest because of the hardships Sikhs must go through. But I am a moorak so what do I know.

Doing nam simran and helping humanity is taking us towards manmat? You sound like a missionary.

We don't decide who is mukat. Next you will say it is okay to kill animals and give them as offerings for guru ji because you wanted to give them mukti. We cannot play God bhaji. You people need to wake up. The British raj wanted to destroy Sikhism by bringing in ideology of Hinduism into our practices. If you can't differentiate between manmat and love for Guru ji, I cannot help you.

I respect all religions but I prefer to stick to references to Gurbani. Even the most sinful can be salvaged in an instant, by remembering God. Please see the shabad below. However, how does one remember God? Perhaps that is where we disagree. ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਮੁਸਕਲੁ ਅਤਿ ਬਣੈ ਢੋਈ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਦੇਇ ॥ ਲਾਗੂ ਹੋਏ ਦੁਸਮਨਾ ਸਾਕ ਭਿ ਭਜਿ ਖਲੇ ॥ ਸਭੋ ਭਜੈ ਆਸਰਾ ਚੁਕੈ ਸਭੁ ਅਸਰਾਉ ॥ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਲਗੈ ਨ ਤਤੀ ਵਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਨਿਤਾਣਿਆ ਕਾ ਤਾਣੁ ॥ ਆਇ ਨ ਜਾਈ ਥਿਰੁ ਸਦਾ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦੀ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਣੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਹੋਵੈ ਦੁਬਲਾ ਨੰਗ ਭੁਖ ਕੀ ਪੀਰ ॥ ਦਮੜਾ ਪਲੈ ਨਾ ਪਵੈ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਦੇਵੈ ਧੀਰ ਸੁਆਰਥੁ ਸੁਆਉ ਨ ਕੋ ਕਰੇ ਨਾ ਕਿਛੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਕਾਜੁ ॥ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਤਾ ਨਿਹਚਲੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਰਾਜੁ ॥੨॥ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਦੇਹੀ ਵਿਆਪੈ ਰੋਗੁ ॥ ਗ੍ਰਿਸਤਿ ਕੁਟੰਬਿ ਪਲੇਟਿਆ ਕਦੇ ਹਰਖੁ ਕਦੇ ਸੋਗੁ ॥ ਗਉਣੁ ਕਰੇ ਚਹੁ ਕੁੰਟ ਕਾ ਘੜੀ ਨ ਬੈਸਣੁ ਸੋਇ ॥ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਤਨੁ ਮਨੁ ਸੀਤਲੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੩॥ ਕਾਮਿ ਕਰੋਧਿ ਮੋਹਿ ਵਸਿ ਕੀਆ ਕਿਰਪਨ ਲੋਭਿ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ ਚਾਰੇ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਉਨਿ ਅਘ ਕੀਏ ਹੋਆ ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰੁ ॥ ਪੋਥੀ ਗੀਤ ਕਵਿਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਕਰਨਿ ਧਰਿਆ ॥ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਤਾ ਨਿਮਖ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਤਰਿਆ ॥੪॥

Actually, this is in direct contradiction to what Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says: ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ੯ ਦੁਤੁਕੇ ੫ ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ਪਾਤੀ ਤੋਰੈ ਮਾਲਿਨੀ ਪਾਤੀ ਪਾਤੀ ਜੀਉ ॥ ਜਿਸੁ ਪਾਹਨ ਕਉ ਪਾਤੀ ਤੋਰੈ ਸੋ ਪਾਹਨ ਨਿਰਜੀਉ ॥੧॥ ਭੂਲੀ ਮਾਲਨੀ ਹੈ ਏਉ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਜਾਗਤਾ ਹੈ ਦੇਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪਾਤੀ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਡਾਰੀ ਫੂਲ ਸੰਕਰਦੇਉ ॥ ਤੀਨਿ ਦੇਵ ਪ੍ਰਤਖਿ ਤੋਰਹਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਕਿਸ ਕੀ ਸੇਉ ॥੨॥ ਪਾਖਾਨ ਗਢਿ ਕੈ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਕੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਦੇ ਕੈ ਛਾਤੀ ਪਾਉ ॥ ਜੇ ਏਹ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਸਾਚੀ ਹੈ ਤਉ ਗੜ੍ਹਣਹਾਰੇ ਖਾਉ ॥੩॥ ਭਾਤੁ ਪਹਿਤਿ ਅਰੁ ਲਾਪਸੀ ਕਰਕਰਾ ਕਾਸਾਰੁ ॥ ਭੋਗਨਹਾਰੇ ਭੋਗਿਆ ਇਸੁ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਕੇ ਮੁਖ ਛਾਰੁ ॥੪॥ ਮਾਲਿਨਿ ਭੂਲੀ ਜਗੁ ਭੁਲਾਨਾ ਹਮ ਭੁਲਾਨੇ ਨਾਹਿ ॥ ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਹਮ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਖੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇ ॥੫॥੧॥੧੪॥

Guru Ji knows about his hungry children. Guru knows all. Guru Ji relies on all humans to serve society. In Sikhi was do honest labor, share our earnings, and pray to Waheguru. Guru Ji puts hungry children on this earth. However, their lives are based on their own karams and doings. Guru Ji puts these hungry children on this earth for salvation. A chance to attach to Guru's feet and break the cycle of life and death. To become one with God. Do you think it's okay to use hundreds of gallons of milk to Mandars and Sri Darbar Sahib while millions in India go starving daily? Or how about plucking flowers and throwing them at Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? Those flowers have life too. These are practices Sikhs should be getting away from, not being attracted towards.

Not sure how your wife is brother, but I can tell you that my wife is more generous to the needy than even I. I am blessed by Waheguru. Please explain how Guru ji finds it pleasing that his children go hungry while we give fancy rumala's to Guru ji? The golak of a Gurdwara is the mouth of the poor. Big difference between helping the needy vs presenting fancy rumala sahib to Guru Ji. Everyone has their sharda and I'm not trying to stop someone from doing it. But open your eyes. Look at what happens at Darbar Sahib every day. The SGPC and bazaar owners are in cahoots....every day someone buys a fancy rumala sahib, takes it to Darbar Sahib where the granthi disrespectfully throws it on Guru Ji and immediately removes it forcibly. They then take those rumala sahibs and sell them back to the bazaar at a discount....and the cycle continues.