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On 9/1/2023 at 7:16 AM, Kau89r8 said:
How is it going to help? The link is of a Sikh hunter. Fine, but what good does that do the lazy Sikh who ate khulla maas in a restaurant?
By the way, for the OP, yes, it's against rehit to eat khulla maas.
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On 9/20/2023 at 3:54 AM, ipledgeblue said:
he should get stronger in rehit and do bhog of everything he eats, especially maas. Isn't Buddha Dal rehit to do bhog of every food?
Yeah, Sikhs should do bhog of food they eat. But the point of bhog is to only do bhog of food which is fit to be presented to Maharaj. It's not maryada to do bhog of khulla maas and pretend it's OK to eat. It's not.
On 9/20/2023 at 3:54 AM, ipledgeblue said:Read the history about when Guru Gobind Singh was dressed as uch ka pir, and his Singhs were dressed as mureed, and the sikhs came upon the situation where they were offer halal maas!
Come on, bro, you should know better than to bring this Sakhi into it. Is this Sikh in the restaurant accompanied by Guru Gobind Singh ji? Is he fighting a dharam yudh? Or is he merely filling his belly with the nearest restaurant?
Please don't make a mockery of our puratan Singhs' sacrifices by comparing them to lazy Sikhs who eat khulla maas.
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On 10/12/2023 at 7:19 PM, Arsh1469 said:
“Thori kinde Maharaj ne bakre mare. Thori kinde Pyare da sees kataya. Sach aa ki vo bakre nahi c. Vo bakriyan c. Bakriyan da jhatka kita. Bakrea da nahi.”
Seriously??
The Dhadi is trying to be cute. For those who didn't get it, he said:
"Some say Maharaj killed bakras (goats). Some say he cut the heads of the Panj Piyaras. The truth is that they weren't goats. It was she-goats (ਬਕਰੀਆਂ). He jhatka'd she-goats. Not he-goats."
Wow. This is possibly the stupidest thing I've ever heard in relation to Sikhi.
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On 2/10/2022 at 7:55 AM, Guest GuptSingh said:
As a Amritdhari, are we allowed to have a massage? If we are, I'm confused on how they will react with the kirpan.
Instead of a 9 inch or larger kirpan, take a smaller kirpan and put it (without gatra) inside your smaller turban and tie the turban tightly. This keeps a kirpan on your person without interfering with the massage or alarming the masseuse. I'm not talking about a trinket but rather an actual small kirpan that fits in a sheath (you'll have to search to find one).
As for ahem, "problems", you could get a male masseuse.
I don't know where you are, but in most places there are professional masseuses who actually know what they are doing and can really relieve your muscle pains.
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On 10/6/2021 at 11:08 PM, MisterrSingh said:
It's strange how much of the Panthic scene away from the faux-spiritually serene act played out for the gullible sangat is full of calculating and ruthless people.
Good way of putting it, bro.
One of the ongoing themes of Gurbani is the fake saint. Whether it's fake babas in Punjab or English-speaking personalities in the West, it's an continuing problem of religion through the centuries (and it's not exclusive to us by any means, this applies to all human societies).
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On 1/9/2023 at 6:19 AM, Guest Singh255 said:
if you guys have gotten this far reading my post thank you, my question is how do I erase the sin of slandering a saint, it feels as if there’s no way out for such a sin.
First of all, while it's true that Gurbani says slandering a Saint has such-and-such effects, you can't do the reverse: You can't look and your situation and know for certain what caused it.
We're not encouraged to mope over our situations but rather to accept the hukam (will). The last line of the very first pauri of Japji Sahib says to live in hukam:
ਹੁਕਮਿ ਰਜਾਈ ਚਲਣਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਨਾਲਿ ॥੧॥
hukam rajāī chalanā nānak likhiā nāl .1.
O Nanak! By obeying, the pre-ordained order of the Lord's will.Secondly, the astpadhi from which you quoted the Sant ka dokhi verses has this verse at the end:
ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਆਪਨ ਨਾਮੁ ਦੇਇ ॥
jis nō kripā karai tis āpan nām dēi .
God gives His Name to those unto whom He shows His mercy.So ask for his mercy. Also check out the 7th Astpadi, which talks about the good effects of the sangat of a Sadhu:
I'm not getting into who is a "true" Sadhu in this post.
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On 5/27/2023 at 1:31 AM, Sukhsingh96 said:
I said that I want a virgin Sikh women.
The way that matches are normally found is via extended family. Forget your "friends". Have you put out the word to extended family?
If they are of no use, go to Amritdhari sangat at the Gurdwaras in your area or even beyond.
If somebody wants you to marry an "experienced" woman, you might as well not marry because she would always be "considering her options".
On 5/27/2023 at 1:31 AM, Sukhsingh96 said:I’ve been very depressed that realizing that this panth once was ordained by Waheguru himself and now Sikh men can’t even find a Sikh women to marry.
Yeah, you're right. Take refuge in Gurbani and sangat.
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On 1/23/2021 at 3:47 AM, ipledgeblue said:
Regardless, for a Nihang Singh , Budha Dal Jathedaar is same as Akal Takth Jathedaar. So going pesh to the SGPC/government sponsored stand-in Akal Takht Jathedaar does not make sense, except for formalities such as how Baba Santa Singh Akal did.
Why are bringing that stuff up, bro? But since you did, could you state why Baba Santa Singh decided to lower himself by bowing to an occupation force?
I mean if Nadar Shah had taken possession of Akal Takhat would the Singhs have lowered themselves before him just because he had physical possession of the Akal Takhat?
So, again, why did Santa Singh do it?
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On 11/10/2021 at 12:25 PM, dharamyudh said:
Yup. Nihangs, with the exception with Balbir's group, don't care what the SGPC has to say. So in essence, a tankhaiya from them really doesn't even matter. They don't even consider these guys as the panth.
So why do "Nihangs" accept donations from "average" Sikhs if the latter are not part of what they consider the Panth?
Guru Nanak Dev ji says:
ਜੇ ਓਇ ਦਿਸਹਿ ਨਰਕਿ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਤਾਂ ਉਨ੍ਹ ਕਾ ਦਾਨੁ ਨ ਲੈਣਾ ॥
If they (deesah-i) are seen by you (jaandy) going (narak-i) to hell, then you should not (lainaa) be taking (aunh) their (daan-u) charity.
ਦੇਂਦਾ ਨਰਕਿ ਸੁਰਗਿ ਲੈਦੇ ਦੇਖਹੁ ਏਹੁ ਧਿਙਾਣਾ ॥
(Deykhahu) look at (ehu) this (dhinknaana) injustice;whereby (deynda) the giver goes (narak-i) to hell and (laidey) the receivers (surag-i) to heaven.p1289
On 11/10/2021 at 12:25 PM, dharamyudh said:Nihangs only answer to Dal Panth and the Jathedar only.
OK, so why does "Dharam" Singh say the bakwas that he says? Nihangs don't preach all the stuff that he says.
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On 5/11/2023 at 9:43 AM, dallysingh101 said:
Surrey police are investigating reports of a sexual assault involving a 15-year-girl that happened at or in the area of the Gurdwara Dukh Nivaran Sikh temple
One question I have is how these things happen at Gurdwaras. I mean, you go to the Gurdwara, matha tek, sit in sangat, get Prasadh and go home. Or get Langar.
At what point could you possibly be assaulted (I'm not saying it didn't happen).
Are some children (unwisely) going into some of the various store or office rooms in various Gurdwaras? Never do that.
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On 8/3/2023 at 11:00 PM, Guest
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Can anyone tell me how a simple Anand karaj looks like? Does it go for 1,2 or 3 days? Like the day there you do the lava and a second day for a little "party"?
The Anand Karaj is so called because when Anand Sahib is read off after the Lavan, the couple is considered married in Guru ji's eyes. Technically, that is all that is required.
The 1, 2, or 3 days thing is because in the old days you couldn't simply drive 300 miles to a wedding or fly out. You had to travel there and you needed to rest for the wedding day. As well, because you didn't have modern transportation and communication, both sides took this time to get acquainted with each other because it might be the only time in a long time to be able to do so.
If you want to do that for that purpose is up to you, but you don't need to be constrained by the weird Punjabi "ceremonies".
On 8/3/2023 at 11:00 PM, Guest said:
What to do after lava?
Anand Sahib, then kirtan, then some katha, then ardas, then langar. And you can then go home (doli). Or have a reception if you wish.
On 8/3/2023 at 11:00 PM, Guest said:
Music alcohol,dancing, .and are there other things which shouldn't be in an gursikh Anand karaj?
You don't have to have alcohol at the reception (or have a reception at all). But instead of thinking of things to cut away, you can just start with the Anand Karaj and not add anything else.
The milni is merely the two parties meeting each other. There doesn't seem to be anything wrong with that. You can say Fateh instead of taking expensive gifts from the girl's side.
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On 8/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, Guest Guesti said:
sikhi is NOT about following every rule of maryada.
Actually, it is.
The main maryada is to remember God.
On 8/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, Guest Guesti said:Its about to meet Vaheguru
See above. In no sense is waking up before dawn, bathing, and meditating opposed to meeting God!
Other maryada's include bans on idol-worship and other things. Do you really think you can meet God while indulging in anti-Sikh practices?
In addition, for the OP, you should know that "own-made maryada" as "Guesti" denigrates it, has the sanction of God:
ਮੇਰੀ ਬਾਂਧੀ ਭਗਤੁ ਛਡਾਵੈ ਬਾਂਧੈ ਭਗਤੁ ਨ ਛੂਟੈ ਮੋਹਿ ॥
My devotee can release one bound by me, but I can release not one bound by my devotee. p1252The saints can bind even God.
The five Singhs have the power of God:
ਇਕ ਸਿਖ ਦੁਇ ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗ ਪੰਜੀ ਪਰਮੇਸ਼ੁਰ॥
One is a Sikh, two are Sadh Sangat, five are God (Vaar 13/9)
This maryada was made firm by Guru Gobind Singh ji in form of Panj Pyare.
This is no laughing matter.
For you to dismiss maryada as "own made rules" is a stunning display of ego towards the rest of the Panth, a Panth dedicated to nothing other than meeting God.
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On 8/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, Guest Guesti said:
look at Gurbani.
Gurbani says to bpth bathe and do simran. They are not opposed to each other. See above.
Gurbani talks about plenty of worldy things that are necessary: For example, eating (moderately). Sleeping (moderately). Wearing clothes (moderately). Having a house. Having transportation. Being a family man.
These are because we are not merely souls. We are souls in bodies.
On 8/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, Guest Guesti said:Vaheguru won't kick you off the panth if you don't follow every single rule from maryada.
A panth is a community of people on the same path. If you want to do whatever you personally want to do, you are, by definition, not on the panth. By your own choice.
Feel free to do whatever you want to do. Meanwhile, the Panth is doing exactly what Sikhs have done from the beginning: Remembering God while staying in the maryada.
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On 8/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, Guest Guesti said:
there's nothing spiritual in them.
You're wrong when you say, "there's nothing spiritual in them." Unfortunately, a lot of us fall into the pit of thinking "rules are arbitrary" and have nothing to do with spirituality.
Let me sketch it out for you.
I have news for you: You can't find God alone.
Guru ji states again and again that God resides within Sadh Sangat:
Question:
ਕਿਉ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਮੇਰੀ ਮਾਈ ॥
How shall I meet my amiable Beloved, O my mother?The answer is in the very next verse:
ਮਿਲਿ ਸਤਸੰਗਤਿ ਖੋਜੁ ਦਸਾਈ ਵਿਚਿ ਸੰਗਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਵਸੈ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥
Joining the society of saints, I inquire about the track to God. In the saints congregation, the Lord God abides. p94God resides within Sangat.
The verses quoted prior make it clear that Sikhs
are to go into Sangat to recite Gurbani.You've contended that you're to sit for simran without bathing. Are you seriously contending that you are to go into Sangat without bathing? Or are you going to contend you have no need for Sangat?
If so, that's exactly the hankar (ego) that Guru ji warns against!
So much for trying to find God.
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On 8/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, Guest Guesti said:
Vaheguru many many things you read are "own made maryade" there's nothing spiritual in them.
No, it's not "own made maryada". The maryada of ishnaan follows from the earliest Sikh community of Kartarpur. That's what they (all did).
Read Bhai Gurdas ji's description of daily Sikh routine:
The Sikhs:
Woke before dawn
Bathed in a pool
Recited the Guru's recitation
Went to Sangat
Sang and listed to Gurbani
Met like-minded Sikhs
Celebrated Guru's purbs
You (or I) are not any better than those early Sikhs described by Bhai Gurdas ji.
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On 8/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, Guest Guesti said:
2) yeah it's better to keep the head covered while showering the body. And after you do kesi ishnaan you can put on a small light cloth above your head. Hair will dry though. But it doesn't make sense to put the cloth directly on your head when the soap is washed out..like the cloth would get wet??.. you can dry your hair first with a towel .
Bro, it seems you've never done sangat of marayada following Singhs. What happened in our history is that a lot of people attached themselves to Sikhi who didn't have the opportunity to do such sangat and now they have to argue about "Where is it written".
As I wrote above, the cloth would get wet, that's the point, it's removing water from your hair. Afterwards, you tie a fresh small dastar.
On 8/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, Guest Guesti said:3) soap in main parts and rest water is ok.
Where in the world did you get that? Please, everyone, don't listen to "Guesti". Keep yourself clean, otherwise the Hindus & Muslims would be justified in calling Sikhs dirty.
On 8/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, Guest Guesti said:4) no you don't have to wash your keys every single day. Maryada is to wash them at least twice a week.
No, it simply is not. There is no marayada about "twice a week". The maryada is daily kesi ishnaan. If you can't do that, whatever, do what you can. But don't make up a new maryada of "twice a week."
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On 8/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, Guest Guesti said:
It's written in gurbani that you must remember Vaheguru first,do Simran first, bath you soul first in Amritvela.
You're technically correct and yet you're misleading this new seeker.
Please don't try to pretend to be all holy and spiritual and that all these other hundreds of thousands of seekers who preceded you and have spiritual level that neither you nor I could dream of and yet followed the basic maryada of waking, bathing and meditating knew nothing.
The way in which you're technically right is that Guru ji advises the first thing to do, immediately after waking, is to say the Gurumantar:
ਸਉਦੇ ਵਾਹੁ ਵਾਹੁ ਉਚਰਹਿ ਉਠਦੇ ਭੀ ਵਾਹੁ ਕਰੇਨਿ ॥
Sleeping they utter Lord's glories and praises and awaking they say Wah. Guru Ram Dass ji, p312The reason for this is you shouldn't be doing other stuff. Like checking your phone. Having conversations. Reading a wordly book, or whatever. The first thing you should do is remember God.
And if you do sangat of any serious spiritual seekers, they will tell you this. And they'll also tell you to then go do your bathroom processes and ishnaan.
The new seeker is advised to do exactly this, the way Sikh seekers have been doing it since the time of Guru Nanak ji. Not "first bathe soul" for a few hours, crusty from sleep. And then bathe? Sorry, that's crazy. And it's not maryada. And you don't love God any more because you think you can't be bothered to bathe before simran.
We're not bare souls. We're souls in a body. If you think we're bare souls, why do you even eat?
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On 8/15/2023 at 11:36 AM, Guest Guesti said:
1)No . It's not written that you must bathe every single day in the morning
It literally is written to bathe every single day in the morning. First of all, who wouldn't bathe every day? Second, it isn't necessary that it be written down someplace. Oral history passed down in the Sikh community is enough. But third, just for good measure, it is written and please don't deny it.
See the post above by another poster:
And mine, quoting Guru Ram Dass ji:
Further, the same thing is written in numerous rehitnamas.
If someone doesn't want to follow that, that's his choice. But please don't gaslight people into thinking "it's not written anywhere."
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On 8/5/2023 at 7:20 AM, Guest Guest said:
5) i tried to keep my head covered at night with a patka, but it slips off during the night. is there any way to keep it on or is it ok?
Are you talking about the "kids' patka" that people like crickter Harbhan Singh wear? You're not 5 anymore. Wear a proper small dastar, bro. You're a man.
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On 8/5/2023 at 7:20 AM, Guest Guest said:
4) as someone who has heavy and curly hair, it takes a long time to manage and dry. do i have to wash my hair everyday before doing paat because i need to go to work after as well?
Bro, everyone needs to go to work. Every Sikh ever had to go to work for the past five hundred years. They managed it, so can you.
You don't "have" to wash your hair. But it's considered advisable.
The main reason we don't have "time" is because we're waking up far too late.
We're supposed to wake approximately one pehar (3 hours) prior to sunrise. (Check rehitnamas, Sikh history, oral history, and maryada from saints and dals.) Guru Ram Das ji says:
ਗੁਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਜੋ ਸਿਖੁ ਅਖਾਏ ਸੁ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥
He, who calls himself a Sikh of the Great True Guru, should rise early and meditate on God's Name.ਉਦਮੁ ਕਰੇ ਭਲਕੇ ਪਰਭਾਤੀ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਕਰੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰਿ ਨਾਵੈ ॥
He should make efforts early in the morning take bath and have ablution in the tank of Nectar.ਉਪਦੇਸਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪੈ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਦੋਖ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਵੈ ॥
By repeating Lords God's Name under Guru's instruction all his sins misdeeds and accusations are wiped off.ਫਿਰਿ ਚੜੈ ਦਿਵਸੁ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਵੈ ਬਹਦਿਆ ਉਠਦਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥
Afterwards at sun rise he sings Gurbani and whilst sitting or standing he meditates in God's Name. p305If we wake early, bathe, then do naam simran for a few hours, our hair would naturally be aired out by the time to go to work. It's because we don't follow one maryada that it seems difficult to follow another.
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On 8/5/2023 at 7:20 AM, Guest Guest said:
3) do you have to wash with soap everyday, or soap in main parts, and water on rest work?
Bro, why would you even ask this? How lazy do you have to be to not want to bother to use soap? You do Jap Ji everyday. Even there, Guru Nanak Dev ji wrote about the cleaning power of soap:
ਮੂਤ ਪਲੀਤੀ ਕਪੜੁ ਹੋਇ ॥
When (kaparr-u) a garment (hoey) becomes soiled with (moot) urineਦੇ ਸਾਬੂਣੁ ਲਈਐ ਓਹੁ ਧੋਇ ॥
it is (laeeai dhoey) washed (dey) with water and (saaboon-u) soap.The point of the verse is not to give a rule about using soap, but the verse does recognize that soap cleans. Why would you even not want to bother applying soap? Water yourself. Apply soap, then water again.
This is not medieval Europe where people didn't bathe!
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On 8/5/2023 at 7:20 AM, Guest Guest said:
2) during bathing, ive also read that you need to keep your head covered with a cloth until you wash your hair and then tie it again as soon as the soap is out. i'm confused on this, is it mandatory? what does it mean? how does the hair dry?
Again, do whatever you want. But if you're asking about the maryada passed down seena-baseena (orally) in the Sikh community, then it is this: You always keep your hair covered, not just during bathing but 24/7. The reason for keeping dastar 24x7 is the same as the general reason for dastar. Except if you're doing something with your hair, like washing, airing, combing, etc. That's the reason for keeping it covered.
If you're washing your body, there's no reason for your hair to be uncovered. You already stated you find it difficult to do kesi ishnaan everyday. So if you're not washing your hair, why uncover your hair?
You pick these things up naturally if you spend time in dal panth and do ishnaan collectively. Here is what Singhs do: Keep kachhera on and small dastar on. Water your body. Soap your body. Water again to remove soap. If you were going to wash your hair, then tie or have your kirpan on your body, tie up your kangha and dastar on your waist, then wash your hair. After your hair is clean and washed, twirl up your hair in your small turban and tie it up to cover your hair.
Either before or after, looosen your kachhera just a bit, put water, soap, then water on anything hidden by your kachhera. Put a towel around your waist and change your kachhera one leg at a time. If it's just you in your bathroom, it could be more relaxed, but I've described how Singhs change kachhera while in a group environment.
By the time you're done with that and washing your removed kachhera, etc, your small dastar has soaked up a lot of water from your wet hair. Now you can remove it and let it air out.
Sikhs don't say "dry" in relation to hair. They don't say ਕੇਸ ਸੁਕਾਉਣੇ. Things that dry out (like trees) are dead. This may surprise you because probably your family and other Punjabis around you say that. In the Nihang bola, you say ਕੇਸ ਹਰੇ ਕਰਨੇ.
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On 8/5/2023 at 7:20 AM, Guest Guest said:
1) i've read it is mandatory to do cold bath in the mornings? is that true or do warm showers work?
I would advise you to not take the perspective of "Oh, no, yet another rule to follow??" Rather, you should take the perspective of "Hmm, this entire community of Sikhs, from the earliest time, have been doing this thing, there must be something to it."
The answer to your question is: Yes, you're advised to bathe in cold water. Or shower. There's no need for these things to be written down; they are passed down orally.
But in case you're wondering, someone did bother to write it down someplace. E.g., Bhai Nand Lal ji's Rehitnama states "He who doesn't bathe in cold water ... will be punished"
The biggest punishment is simply you not availing of the advice of Guru ji and Gursikhs and remaining bereft of tools to keep you focused and your body in top shape.
One of the problems of us Punjabis is we have an inferiority complex. If Guru ji says to do something, we won't do it. But if Joe Rogan promotes ice baths, then we do it!
And that's an ice bath. We're just told to do ishnan (bath/shower) in cold (not ice) water.
Here are some of the benefits of cold water:
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On 8/5/2023 at 7:20 AM, Guest Guest said:
hi. i am new to sikhi and i going over the rehat maryada, i still have few questions about amritdhari living, hoping i could ask.
Hi. Welcome. The first thing you should know is that you're required to do anything. But if you're asking what maryada is, sure someone will tell you.
Normally, there really isn't a need to ask all these questions because maryada is learned naturally, by becoming part of a community. It's not just. there's an Amrit ceremony one fine day at the Gurdwara and then you go off to live, separated from every other Sikh on the path.
You're supposed to be part of a community. Like the community that Guru Nanak Dev ji created at Kartarpur.
When you're part of a community, you absorb things naturally. Westerners naturally pick up things like "shake hands when you meet someone" or "wear black at funerals" or "wear white at weddings".
No one asks "Where is this written in the Bible?".
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in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
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Thanks for this. It combines the four approved sources (Guru Granth Sahib ji, Dasam Granth Sahib, Bhai Gurdas ji (both Vaar and Kabitt), and Bhai Nand Lal ji in one place.
The English translation is the Sant Singh Khalsa and the Punjabi is the Principal Sahib Singh. These aren't that great, but at least they are better than some even worse ones floating around these days.