Ranjeet01

If you look at what Jagraj Singh (Basics of Sikhi) mentioned on the other topic, he used the analogy of God being the ocean and the Guru being the wave or God being the sun and Guru being the moon where the sun's light reflecting on the moon.

This type of Dawaist debate is done out of a sense of perceived superiority complex but the underlying reason is they have a lot of insecurities. They are quite frightened to listen in case it makes them doubt their own beliefs which I know they do at a subconscious level. We saw this with the rhetorical devices Dawa man in his debate with Jagraj Singh. The minute Jagraj gets his point across, the Dawah man gets gripped into it before he had to snap himself out of it. I always get the feeling they are trying to convince themselves more than anyone else. Though this is a very interesting exercise for any Parcharik to see how Dawaists talk, how they react, how they question, their body language etc.

That study was over 20 years ago. It would be interesting to see if the height advantage was maintained throughout puberty into adulthood. Punjabi Sikhs do emphasise the milk drinking quite a lot, I know it did during my childhood. As a Sikh, I know we are quite generous with our food portions. My bhua always told me that you can cut back on other stuff but never cut back on your groceries. Also, I was told as a kid to finish what you eat and never leave anything behind.

I think Jagraj Singh really enjoys these debates even though it can be very difficult for him to get a word in edgewise. I do not know why everything with Muslims is about proving and disproving, it's like being in a law court providing evidence. God is beyond this type of thinking and can completely understand when Jagraj Singh says that from a Sikh's point of view the muslim thought process on this matter is very limiting.

There are plenty of people who you can try to make aware about learning self defence until you are blue in the face and they still won't listen. You cannot persuade them not matter what you say. Focus on yourselves and lead by example. Actions speak louder than words.

Fast bowlers tend to have a particular body type, tall with broad shoulders. However, coaching does play a part in it as well. In India, the pitches are slower which means that it slower bowlers and spinners tend to be promoted.

The reason why a lot of Indian bowlers are medium fast is because they have focused on accuracy over speed.

They need Surjeet Singh Thanda Patharrh Austinwala

What I find quite ironic about aggressive atheists is that they can be just as dogmatic as the religious people they accuse. Richard Dawkins is a perfect example.

There is a difference between dogma and belief in an ultimate creator. As kids our belief in God is a very simplistic one, but when you read/listen to Gurbani or even read the Mool Mantar you realise our comprehension is so limited. Our belief in an ultimate creator is based from a Human experience ( can be quite egotistical/selfish in my opinion) what we can get from God. What makes Sikhi unique is that when I first tried to read Japji Sahib (in English) , you see things from Waheguru's point of view. What you realise is that Waheguru is talking to the whole universe, it completely blew my mind. An atheist should at least believe in the Universe and the Universe is also part of the Akal.

I think they should use those giant cotton swabs in Gladiators game show.

That is correct to a degree, but I think there is more to it. There is a lot of Ummah aggression but a lot of it is false bravado, just need to observe and watch their body language and read between the lines (just my opinion). They are a very scared people and they are even more worried than we are, but unlike our people who tend like showing our dirty laundry in public, Muslims like to sweep things under the carpet as much as possible. I take my kids to martial arts classes and I observe that you find a lot more muslim kids in martial arts (much more than Sikh kids) but as the kids come into teenage years it begins to change. Sikh kids get into Martial Arts via a lot of self-realisation. Dharmically, it makes more sense for our kids to take up martial arts because it is a form of moving meditation.

I wonder if people who claim to be atheist are actually agnostic?

I think Gurdwara leadership contests should be in the ring and not in a election. Every faction who wants to join should be allowed to take part in a battle royal. The last one standing is the winner.

Sikh kids tend to take up martial arts in their mid teens. It normally happens when they get picked on. It also tends to happen independently from their parents compared to muslim kids who are encouraged by their parents from an early age. I think muslim parents are more paranoid about the current events and are trying to prepare their children from what they think maybe an eventuality.

As long as that equality includes Sikhs as well. Let's not become "useful idiots".

Of all the faults of Punjabi culture, is it really anymore sexist than any other culture?

In my observations for a lot of apneh to get ahead they marry goreh.With Asian women in particular, social status and hypergamy plays a bigger part than with Asian males. A few of the places I have worked in I have noted that wherever you have Asian senior management in corporate environment(particularly in directorship), they tend to have white partners. People are entitled to marry whoever they want but I guess social circles you mix in has a big part to play. Anita Rai complaining about her parents us no different from a lot of children who have issues with their parents. I guess a lot of people have love/hate relationship with their parents. For some reason apneean always seem to be easier to manipulate, but I guess that might be females in general. You notice how marketing/advertising companies do it all the times when they sell products and services.

You will find with newsreaders that they have to speak RP English so that "posh" accent makes the likes of Daljit Dhaliwal look more "coconut" than they probably are in real life.

There is a Japanese Punjabi Sikh fighter called Jaideep Singh who got knocked out in the first round by the Russian MMA legend Fedor Emelienenko.

I wonder if AI Sikh would understand Gurbani in a very literal sense and perhaps not understand the particular nuances that maybe a Human Sikh could? But then again, they may see Gurbani in a completely different way, maybe more accurately in ways we have never considered.

I wonder if that would be because they would not have emotions and therefore would be under the 5 vices. I think that the difference between a human and an AI could be emotion. But without emotion, could you still have sat, Santokh, pyar, nimrata, daya? Could you be chardikala without emotion? It could very well be that what make a human's flaws and virtues come from the very same place. Somewhat a double edged sword. Would an AI not under the 5 thieves lack the 5 virtues? If there were AI Sikhs, I think it would make human Sikhs re-evaluate what it would mean to be human, what it means to be Sikh and also our place in the universe.

I have a very similar point of view as yours. I think Maharaj in his hukam could very well have intelligent sentient life in a metal body rather than in an organic biological one. I do agree with you about human self-aggrandisement. It never ceases to amaze me when scientists send probes to other planets to find signs of life that they always use things such as signs of water as proof of life. There is such naivety and solipsism to naturally assume that life on other worlds would be just like ours, breathing on oxygen, surviving with water and being carbon based. From the posters we have had so far, the general Sikh sangat consensus seems to lean toward that A.I will not become sentient (apologies if I have misinterpreted ), but I personally am led to believe that it may be possible. In some ways we as humans think that intelligence has to be biological and organic rather than inorganic and mechanic. I remember watching Battlestar Galactica where the Cylons (Robots/Androids) were at war with humans. Over time these cylons were able to develop biological/human-like cylons which were virtually indistinguishable from normal humans. These cylons developed a belief in a higher creator (they were monotheistic as opposed to the paganist humans) even though they were created by humans in the first place. I think that with anything sentient, the deeper questions that would be asked is "Who am I, what am I, what is my purpose?". If I put across a hypothetical scenario: It's 2199 and it is 500 years since the birth of the Khalsa and it is discovered that one of the people who wants to take amrit is not human, but is human-like android who has self-awareness/consciousness. Would they be allowed to take amrit or would the Panj Pyare decline because they are not human. How would Akal Takht deal with this? Sorry if I offend any one with the wacky question but perhaps this would be something Sikhs in the 22nd/23rd Century may need to answer.

Neo Got a clip here of Commander Data (an android) from Star Trek : the next generation I know this on the realms of fiction, but hypothetically where would Data fit in, would he/it be in the realms of maya and could he/it transcend or would he/it not have surat of mind? Maybe this would be a question that would be answered by Sikhs in the future.

The question would be would an artificial intelligence outgrow it's programming? Also, doesn't everything originate from God. I guess it's how you would define a soul. If Articulate Intelligence has a consciousness, would it not mean it has a soul or are they separate things?