jaspreet1

So do you celebrate holi or any other religious festival from a different religion? When a person cannot look in and face himself, he resorts to what you just have done now.

how about answering the question I asked you. Do you celebrate Holi?

I doubt the sakhi for many reasons. I have presented the reasons. Look back and read them? I can't repeat myself over and over for you. Do you understand that an Amritdhari cannot eat the Jhoot of a person that is not Amritdhari? The Amrit given at Amrit Sanchar is not the same as left overs in the sangat. Please get this point. Only you are equating amrit to left overs in the sangat. Yet you keep saying others will make it out this way. If you stopped equating amrit to left overs maybe others won't follow in your foot steps. Obviously, you don't have any source for this sakhi or you would have presented it. My Guru gave me Amrit that is not jhoot or left overs. Even though many of the posters have united to support you a person that calls amrit jhoot. I still like it that at least they united on something.

This says it all. There cannot be any more ignorance coming from a person who claims to be very knowledgeable. May Guru ji do kirpa on you and show you the way.

Brother do you celebrate Holi?

I did not see any ego coming from Jonny101 post. He articulately revealed the hypocrisy of Sikhs that have no issue putting up a Christmas tree, but will stone to death Sikhs that have Devi and Devta idols in their homes.

Yes, but Charan di Pahul was given at this time to Sikhs.

Did the Guru give us a Hukam to eat the left overs of others to rid of ego? And you just did not equate left overs to Amrit that Guru Sahib blessed us with. If you did that just shows your ignorance on what Amrit is. An Amritdhari cannot eat the jhoot of a non-amritdhari. This is established Hukam from the Punj Pyare. Most likely Jodh ji took Charan di Pahul which means the same instructions would have been given to him. Not to eat the jhoot of a non-amritdhari. There are no left overs in Amrit. Very shocking you would use such language against Amrit. Yet you call others nastik missionaries. Look inside before you use such language with another.

Bhai Gurdas ji Vaar tells the Khalsa Panth that Charan di Pahul took place and it was part of Khalsa Panth, but now we have Khanda Bhatte de Amrit.. I am asking for proof for the sakhi. At this time nothing has been provided to say the sakhi of Jodh ji is true. Jhoot is forbid in the Khalsa Panth.

I do appreciate your efforts to discuss and shine light on how missionaries do not have sound logic in their beliefs. But I get the impression you are also referring to me as a missionary. Am I accurate about your belief on me? I hope you are not wanting me to accept the sakhi in discussion blindly. If you can do a better job at explaining and providing proof than the one person who just resorts to name calling. I would be very thankful

So during the visit what was discussed in regards to helping the cause the Singh is fighting for? What kind of support will the Sikh preacher offer for him?

So what have you done to counter the missionaries in the above stated aspect? Have you taken any actions against them to educate or prevent further damage from occurring?

I have asked for proof in a positive manner here it is the first time and second time: "I would be very careful of taking this story as true without any real proof to say it actually happen." "Thank you for providing the Vaar again, but I read the Vaar before writing on this discussion and Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaar does not say anything about Bhai Jodh eating jhoot of another. Instead we have Hukams telling us not to eat Jhoot. A deeper look at Gurbani needs to be conducted here so a clearer picture can be developed. So far the main point that others want to reflect as the truth has not been substantiated. " I ask for a deeper look into Gurbani. I cannot get anymore positive than asking for Gurbani. Lastly, if you look at who was the aggressor here it is without any doubt the poster n30 who cannot see past the fact that not everyone is a Christian.

I am sorry that you believe Gurus Hukams and Punj Pyare Hukams are equivalent to the Christian 20 commandments. I can assure you that if you drop your vedic pigeon hole glasses that you will be able to see how they are on the contrary. You should find a different religion that accepts the vedic scriptures instead of constantly fighting with yourself. The shabad you present has nothing to do with this discussion, but then again that shabad can be applied to prove that killing a innocent child is right. You have an act for misquoting Gurbani. Try to develop the act to properly quoting Gurbani. Your Bhai Ghaniya ji example also does not stand here as you are expressing views from a vedic lense. The essence here is that you cannot substantiate your claim so you resorted to name calling. I know the world can be complex and you need to dumb it down to your intellectual level to make sense. However this does not help you, but just shows you are the frog in the well. So do you have any proof of the Sakhi?

Thank you for providing the Vaar again, but I read the Vaar before writing on this discussion and Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaar does not say anything about Bhai Jodh eating jhoot of another. Instead we have Hukams telling us not to eat Jhoot. A deeper look at Gurbani needs to be conducted here so a clearer picture can be developed. So far the main point that others want to reflect as the truth has not been substantiated.

Let's just say then a boy schooled you.

I would be very careful of taking this story as true without any real proof to say it actually happen.

1. I can't bang by head against a brick wall anymore. You figure it out yourself. 2. Here is another person without a legal back ground. Kirpan is not allowed on airplanes because of security related risks. But tell me what is the security risk with complete Amritdhari committee? We walk into Parliament with Kirpans on. Learn how to compare legal examples against each other. Also read carefully, i was speaking about common law countries. Sikhs never get scared of a challenge, if in other countries it is harder to explain through their thick heads then take it on. Sikhs stay in Chardikala demonstrate it brother. 3. no need to comment 4. You can make whatever assumptions, but i said it so you understand that I won't take it lying down. My Guru taught me fight to the ability he has given me and where you cannot, accept Akal Purakhs Hukam.

Then why pose a question as if missionaries nastiks have not taken over Gurdwaras and the new Hukamnama will make it that missionaries nastiks will be the new kingpins of Gurdwara take overs? How would it exclude them? I say it will make people who have done sterling sewa to take the next step of taking Amrit and following the Hukam of Guru Gobind SIngh Sahib ji. It will bring positive change to the Khalsa Panth.

Obviously you are not here to learn and just want to push your views on others. Again for the nth time your past experiences do not dictate what Amritdhar and Sehajdhari mean. You have a very hard time grasping what is written.

Missionaries nastiks already have control over many gurdwaras in the past system of complete freedom. How is uncontrolled system better?

Instead of asking for clarification you went on to shame me. Now you know how it feels to be accused without merit. Also you demonstrate that you don't know when someone is giving an example to prove a point. The whole point for asking whether he is a mona is for him to test his weak understanding of the law by walking into Parliament with a Kirpan on. So he feels the effect of the law and won't make baseless statements ever again. There was no assumption but an example was explained. It's called put your money where your mouth is. Something with merit cannot be devalued simply because you could not understand what was said and then made a complete humiliation out of yourself. You don't get to say when this discussion is over because you tried to accuse me of something I did not do. I have the right to clarify what you did, whether you like it or not. You took this topic off track and now you are warning me to get back on topic? I don't know which planet you live on, but you messed with the wrong person. In the past you might have gotten away with trying to shame others without merit, but not this time. You can hide your face on the internet, but Guru Sahib is watching your behaviour very closely.

Invite those in management position to your house for dinner or some kind of event, if management might see you not interested in the organization. Regardless of whether they accept the offer. Management will know you are interested in getting to know more about the organization and build better relations. There are other ways to show initiative in an organization.

Jivan is English your third language? Do you see how you have misunderstood what I said to Jin? Not only have you misunderstood, but selectively cut a sentence to shame me for something I did not do.

You must have a very boring life for sitting around and waiting for critics to assess the picture. Try to get out more and sit in Sikh sangat to learn some virtues. Obviously GAP will come out against the graffiti. They don't want their property becoming a racist platform and to be damaged. Read more intellectual books.