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can you show me where Guru Sahib says this? He 'believes' those stories? please, he was there and saw them with his own eyes. We dont use the occult, just like Gursikhs with Ridhia Sidhia don't use them either. Doesnt mean it doesnt exist. assertion is worthless, tell me how its a metaphor. and who is talking about demonic possession. Again, I dont want to question your ability to understand english, but he 'will be' nothing?? - the tukh talks about the dying thought of a person. If you read the gurmukhi you will understand - and it clearly states you will be reincarnated as a pret. I get the feeling you dont know what a metaphor is. If you can read the Gurbani quoted and still claim its a metaphor all I can say is that you are in denial. this thread is about ghosts. based on what? Gurbani mentions pret, bhoot, narak, dojak, devte but you think youi're smarter stop trying to twist the message of Gurbani to support your views, a true Sikh changes his view to support the Gurus, not the other way around. you *keep* saying this. You never back it up. What indications? Who has said we should practice the occult? nobody No one has denied that people live like ghosts - so those points are invalid, same with the points about panj doot. The only denial here is yours of the existence of pret. It seems to me that you're afraid to see the truth because you see talking about ghosts as a case of 'guilt by association'. thats like saying that I shouldnt listen to my teachers, I should sit around trying to explain calculus to myself. If people cant learn something as simple as math on their own, how are you going to learn the hardest art, Brahm Vidiya by reading translation of Guru Sahib and makig your own assumptions about the meaning of Gurbani. To ignore the experiences of anbhavi Gursikhs like Bhai Randir Singh, Sant ISher SIngh etc etc is like sitting in the dark refusing to turn on the light and then complaining that you cant see. now that is a metaphor.

is undithee duniya available online?

theres a recording, the jathedar of karamsar Gurudwara Ilford was there when it happened - whats half baked?? suleman is a pret coming to the Guru begging for mukti - but you go off on a tangent about toot fairies. i dont want to question your understanding of the english language of gurmukhi but read the 4th pauri again and tell me that ghosts don't exist. yes, he/she thinks of his house as a result of moh, but what is he/she reincarnated as???? think before you speak - I take it personally because you are avoiding the issue. The tuck clearly has direct reference to the existence of pret but you ignore this. I take it personally because people have met Suleman and the recording was made at Rara Sahib, you can even hear Sant Isher Singh's kirtan in the background - the story was transliterated from a book called "pret kiton devte" by Gursikh present at Rarasahib at the time. then why are you arguing?

you yourself said that you dont know where my quotes are from and you make claims like this? its *your* quote that is out of context to the discussion - nobody denied that people live like ghosts. on the contrary, there are a set of apologists that live in denial and make excuses for what Gurbani says. Am I goin to believe Pauris from Guru Granth Sahib; sakhis from Sant Isher Singh, Baba Thakur Singh, Sant Waryam Singh etc etc, or some guy that posts on a forum so first theyre an illusion and then theyre tangible. cant make your mind up? people dont pursue the 5 thieves, they live within you, your job as a Sikh is to bring them under control.

exorcism of emily rose is btw based on a true story demon possessions are a negative side voodoo priests have long invited spirits to temporarily take control of their bodies at offering ceremonies. from SA also this if you can read Gurmukhi http://www.sikhawareness.com/sikhawareness...uleman&start=30 (login required)

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psu pRyq muGd pwQr kau qwrY ] srb rog kw AauKdu nwmu ] pas praeth mughadh paathhar ko thaarai || sarab rog kaa aoukhadh naam || *** kabeer har kaa simaran shhaadd kai raath jagaavan jaae || sarapan hoe kai aoutharai jaaeae apunae khaae ||107|| Kabeer, those who give up meditation on the Lord, and get up at night to wake the spirits of the dead, shall be reincarnated as snakes, and eat their own offspring. ||107|| *** a(n)th kaal jo ma(n)dhar simarai aisee chi(n)thaa mehi jae marai || praeth jon val val aoutharai ||4|| At the very last moment, one who thinks of mansions, and dies in such thoughts, shall be reincarnated over and over again as a ghost. ||4|| *** edit: you keep saying 'afflicted with' etc, pret is just one of the 68 million jouns, you have a hollywood idea that ghosts run around randomly possessing people rattling chains etc thats not true either Maya is not created by the 5 thieves. Maya is everything that is made with 5 elements, kaljug deludes you into believing it is reality, the 5 thieves stop any progress of bhagti, they are part of kaljug. They dont 'create' anything

i wasnt referring to you when i said that saying its a metpahor is the easy way out.

commando?

some people do paat coz they want things or 'a good life' Gurskihs do paat because it is Guru Saroop, it makes you closer to Guru Sahib, you get to know Guru Sahib. Just like when you love someone you only want to spend time with them, thats why Gursikhs do paat. The difference is that Guru Sahib will be with you for always, even after you die, people will be left behind after you die. amrit vela paat gives more fal

we do acknowledge the existence of the hindu deities, they are oft mentioned. We do not rely on them for anything and ask nothing of them. In Japj Sahib: 'Ik sansari, ik bhandari, ik lae di ban' This refers to Shiva, bhrahma and vishnu.

its not a question of 'allowed' or 'not allowed' if a gay person wants to be a Sikh he/she will have to fight kaam like the rest of us, which probably means no sex - homosexual sex will not yield a child and is only a result of kaam, unless, of course, they are bi.

i agree you seem caught up with the idea that 'heavens' or in Sikhi the various Khands are a physical place far away rather than all around you. It is not a state of mind, this mind is going to die with the body, the realms are all around us it is us that dont have the eyes to see them with. "oh vekhai ona nadar na aavai, bahuta eh(u) vidaan"

no one is saying you should be afriad. the question was 'do bhoot, pret, dark magic etc exist' the answer is yes. the dead cant harm you coz youre a nitnemi child of the Guru. But what about other people? And not only bhoot/pret, but also evil spirits, just like there are good and bad people there are good and bad spirits - e.g. in voodoo some use it to communicate with good spirits and ask for help with whatever, others use it to communicate with spirits in order to attack others people. There are plenty of records of these things, people regularly see it happen, Guru Sahib has given us a huge gift in the transcriptions and recordings from suleman - there are plenty of people alive that have seen suleman - he did after all live at Rara Sahib for almost a year. The world around is made of maya ie consists of 5 elements, all the realms consisting of fewer elements cannot be seen by your average human being. Calling references to bhoot, pret, jinn, etc 'metaphors' is taking the easy way out. Suleman said pret are attracted to meat and alcohol, and what do voodoo priests off to the spirits? - blood and alcohol. As for randip singh's posts - the fisrt is ad hominem, the second fails to answer the question.

kind of like devte in Sikhi, and inhabitants of the Khnds below SachKhand

wow that video of the RC has come a long way O.o I remember seeing it on an RC forum 2 years ago when the person who filmed it posted it.

i dunno most of the time the only reason theyre still alive anyway is because of life support

shau sathi thitho vak nahi shau bin baki kak nahi par dekhan vali aakh nahi

rahiras sahib is 5pm to 10 pm

yea thats why we have leather sofas, shoes etc and why its ok to have alcohol based medicine sometimes.

amrit vela is from around 1215am to 9am if you miss it its obviously ok to do it later, but that window gives you greater fal for any paath you do.

simplest way would be to use itunes. I dont like it much, but judging by y9our questions its probably the easist choice. http://www.apple.com/itunes/

its not defamation - but write and say that multiculturalism has nothing to do with the bombings, rather it was oppression and human rights violations by the Indian government aginst Sikhs that sparked the bombings. The word terrorist holds coz they attacked people that had nothing to do with the task at hand.