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well wouldn't it be better to have punj piarey governing activities of Taksal in absentia of Sant ji ...I know Sant ji did ardas but how will he be recognised any clues ?

maybe Veer ji it's just a case of passing phase in youth or bi-curiosity in these cases and they realise or find the ideal partner in the opposite sex... I know many people are now Asexual they just feel No inclination for any Kaamic act, in fact it is a problem affecting many urban Japanese youth these days . It takes all sorts to fill the world and we should have enough compassion to accept the differences , but that does not change SRM with regard to Anand Karaj .

just to correct the misconception SGPC just prints the SRM which in fact is the one approved of by Akal Takht and the different jathebandian taksali, akj, sikh vidhaans Kahn Singh Nabha, Bhai Vir Singh ji, Sants and sects e.g. nihang, nirmala and udasi so Panthic agreed SRM

but this still doesn't excuse the abuse of power by management to keep hardworking committed members of staff from their just wages . You cannot 'milk' the system as you claim you have to put major time in doing a proper job ... I'm not saying there is major wage gap the watchdog agencies are women earn 70- 72% of a man's wages for the same job role with the same education level. It's just that management do it under the veil of wage secrecy . No not all women but a large contingent ... and besides a lot of men are now using paternity leave to not necessarily bond with the new arrival wouldn't you call that milking the system too? Basically people should all earn decent wage and choose what the hell they like to do with it rather than be told I am making my decision to pay you on what I think your lifestyle choices should be ...

amazing response , so enlightened so SIkh NOT . 1. I worked in the IT department as a software analyst...so no not really what you imagine. 2. sorry milking the maternity leave ? you have to work for some years before qualifying then you are restricted to 11 weeks paid leave the rest is unpaid to a max of six months from birth. If you were actually realistic this is minimum necessary for healthy baby i.e. breastfed... if a woman is on sick leave it is usually by doctor sign off and usually for something serious. Do women have a choice ? if they and their partner want kids they have to do it this way and it makes sense to do it while you are young and healthy. I had my eldest and came back fulltime after six months as I had help from family and then two years later I was in that position. The manager was being irrational he was using people who were not on his teams to justify his treatment of myself when my own conduct had been explemplary, it should be decided on a case by case basis. He claimed that he didn't think that he would give me a matching raise as the men were married and had kids ...er hello? we all had the same jobrole, similar experience only I didn't have man junk and didn't ogle females

agreed veer ji but, this is how people react to him

Gout is a disease of affluence , from eating rich foods protein rich foods , meat, cheese, beans to some minor extent alcohol, etc I'm wracking my brain to work out how an amritdhari bloke is gonna eat enough repeatedly to trigger such a strong uric acid 'arousal' . here is this one who has a major disease of affluence and there were Sant baba Gurbachan Singh and Sant ji who were known for taking minimum food . jo aadmi swaad ras picche doord da oh tan doojian de control vich bahut esani nal hoga, lalaach de ke

well I know from bitter experience while working for FTimes I was covering the work of a team of four analysts for months on end whilst being heavily pregnant with twins , making up any time I took for my legally allowed doctor/hospital appointments, whilst my manager's other all male team sat around all day looking at page three , or similar online , chatting, laughing, going down the pub for lunch and coming back not fit to do the job yet I was told because you are married and having kids you don't deserve a matching payrise (I was also coming in for system testing on weekends quite unlike them) and told flat out that no you can't come back part-time for a while then switch back to full-time . The arguments you used are out of these guys books, truth is women are just as productive when at work if not more due to internal drive to 'make up' any self-perceived weak points in performance (just as people of colour have to be that much better to be perceived as just as good as white folks) . I don't know any women in my family who make demands for jewellery etc but then if you believe in kirt karna if you are looking after your family and home without wages I would think that is equivalent to working outside the home .(the economic reality most men don't get , if you had to pay for daycare covering the hours of full-time work and travel it is in the hundreds per month). I did my time at that job , sat and worked out I would only clear £5 per month after daycare and decided to stay at home with my husband's agreement since we had a two year old as well . Old white men are running the corporations and dictating the playing field , anyone these days can be a single parent so that old crock of giving less because another wage is coming in is now done . How dare they pry into private lives of their employees , if a man chooses to spend his money on booze, fags and women or his family that has nothing to do with what his wife should earn and vice versa . In fact given the rise of divorce and abandonments a woman should be guaranteed equal pay so the kids don't suffer if the worst happens and the benefits system doesn't have to take a hit to cover an deadbeat Dad's duty to provide half of the kid's upkeep. Yes a woman often gets the house but that is usually if there are kids involved , and if the woman is the earner and buys a house when the guys divorces her he gets to walk off with 1/2 the value of the house if there are no kids and gets paid alimony by the woman ,the law cuts both ways . (my friend went through this as soon as the guy got his stamp). truth is if the woman gives up working outside to do the much more important work of bringing up healthy, productive, ethical human beings to be a country's future she shouldn't be counted as lesser than one working outside the home and since she is not sitting doing nothing if her Husband/partner takes her out is it really unfair if he pays ? if a man became a house husband he would be in a similar situation and I am sure his wife would be happy to pay ... else she would be a hypocrite. Life is dynamic and we have to adapt , the old fogeys must adapt too but they make the right noises but have not done the right thing. we all get the same 24 hours , all of our time is equally precious and therefore logically we should be on equal pegging for equal jobroles however if one person uses their time more effectively they should be given more ...

I found this interview he seems a good soul too, done prison time

it is so hard to judge character from afar for the average Joe or Jatinder if you will, Gurbani tells us to look at the karam not the pretty speeches ...as far as I know Bhai Amrik SIngh has taken bullets for Guru ji along with his close SInghs, has nothing to do with the panth dokhis (Badal and chumchey) . whereas I see Harnam Singh give siropey to panth dokhi latest being Rajnath Singh of Jammu who ordered the firing upon our Jammu Sikhs and mithai feeding to the same bunch , where is the spirit of Jathedar Sant Baba Kartar Singh or Sant Jarnail SIngh ji who would give moo-thord jawab to their machinations? I don't know about BHai Ram Singh ji Bhindrawale so please enlighten me . I would be happy for someone like Ajnala to take over and clean house at Taksal and other gurdwarey.

veer ji I shouldn't have laughed the state of affairs is not a laughing matter ... the GOI are so emboldened that they demanded that Guru ji Prakash shouldn't be at Anandpur Sahib during celebrations if Modi is there , the sangat are conned that they are looking at artefacts of Dasmesh Pita from Pir Buddhu Shah's family when the badal's collectively are responsible for the staff, behaviour on their buses , The golaks are robbed to do antisikh activities while Guru ji property is put on mortage to build plaza surrounding the Gurdwarey at Harmandir Sahib, weekly we hear beadbhi of Guru ji, Burnings put down to electrical faults (I'm sorry who believes that nonsense?) . The 'Gurmat Gian' guys are getting all the hits online and our true sikh parchaariks are being pushed into the corner by the Badal Mafia.

sachi? normally it doesn't need admittance as its chronic illness affecting joints ...

what has happened ?

Ok Maybe it was fake but how is it Badal's family got a VIP langar setup in seperate room with chair and other niceties at the Anandpur Sahib 350 anniversary and we hear not one whisper from the jathedar? why no words on the Faridkot beadbhi and lack of police help?

hmm ? OK it's nuture or nature but sure you can persuade people don't mean it's a desirable thing to do .

Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa, Waheuru ji Ki fateh, While Bhai Amrik SIngh ji Ajnala and his group are supporting sangat in Faridkot I hear nothing much from the other jathedars ,instead what I did get to see was the apparent Jathedar of the Taksal Harnam SIngh Dhumma announcing the idea he believes that Anandpur Sahib should be renamed WHITE CITY ...what is going on ? People were casting doubts about his loyalties and now he has left no doubts , He is no Servant of Dasmesh Pita's Taksal he is a politico Wolf in Sikh bhes. How dare he even open his mouth to say it , did he only wait until the authorities could put down the True Servants ? It seems that way .

You support gay rights because you have been taught that all decent people should be advocates for that subliminally on billboards new media and films ...it is part of the elites distraction agenda . Sikhi doesn't give two hoots about sexual orientation because that whole enchilada is a distraction from the true mission ...earning kirpa ...Yes Marriage is supposed to be about love ,true love : Love for Akal Purakh that's why it is an institution in every faith. Sikhi is homosexuality neutral neither for or against but it is definitely Con-Kaam and Pro-Naam . A homosexual could be an Amritdhari but he/she would have to give up on that aspect of life as it would clearly be leading to increasing Kaam even married folks will find that Naam lessens need for Kaam .

it is an ancient healing art not tied any religion so chill and get treated ...I had it done on me by my Masi ji to turn my tailbone to correct position after traumatic birth ...didn't affect my bhagti

they also developed the Contrceptive pill to encourage promiscuity to distract the masses from the 'real' issues of corporate enslavement and provide aborted fetuses to sell to labs

Feminism is not just a women's issue but a Men's issue as both have to agree and act on the idea that women and men should be afforded equal political, social and emotional voices and parts. The people who think that this is absurd are being narrow minded as Khalsa is made of Singh and Kaur not just SIngh , all the rules of conduct apply equally, the requirement for dastar is equal (only humans have created a dhil in this arena look up Akal Takht Jathedar Gurmukh SIngh and what he did and why) Mata Bhag Kaur was a mahaJodha and bodyguard to dasmesh Pita . Women have been called the conscience of man by Guru Teg Bahadur ji who would not be qualified as Sant sipahi ? They have been strategists, leaders and expert rajnitiks e.g. Mata Sada Kaur ji What makes Sikh men doubt is due to their schizophrenic need to compare their women with others and The need to bring up the next generation with SIkh khialan . STOP expecting Us to be acting like MEMSAHIB and expect and support us to be the true daughters of Dasmesh Pita ji and you will understand what true equality is ... the whole of humanity striving towards DEG TEG FATEH. Women and Men are taught to dress and act modestly , think kacchera is for both not just women. Bothe are taught to be self-reliant , think KIrpan is for both and the hukam KIrt Karo, Vand Chako, Nam japo ... Western feminism has failed because it has still not broken the females out of being objectified , of being paid less , or having less representation in higher decision-making positions ...what will work is the way Guru ji taught his daughters accept yourself , improve yourself in the Sikhi prescribed manner and duniya will be at your feet none such person would exist to scare or overpower your mind or soul. well then veera it is not feminism ... it would female chauvanism the twin of male chauvanism

this is what I meant about Guru ji embracing people with chutki bimarian and not pushing them away https://www.facebook.com/dharamsevarecords/photos/a.593883017313733.1073741832.507307855971250/864406916928007/?type=1&theater

Veer ji , like I said before if one knows the itihaas and bani , the character of Guru ji and his family you will know what is what ...The fact that Guru Ram Dasji tried to do that action made Sri Chand ji realise just how lacking he was and accepted that his Father Chose the correct candidate for Gurgaddi . He then despite being so senior to Guru ji humbled himself totally , it was his moment of Kirpa . Bhai Dattu who kicked Guru Amar das ji was also cooled by the nimrata of the house of Nanak. These are the real sakhis which reflect the Gurbani and the message . My own heart says if the message of the parchaarik creates distance from Guru ji or hardship to do bhagti then there must be something wrong how can one create an obstacle when Guru ji is only all enveloping LOVE ? I listen to Bhai Pinderpal SIngh ji and my heart blossoms because his words helps one to feel that love , Bhai Iqbal Singh ji too, Giani Sant SIngh ji , when I hear Sant Jarnail SIngh ji I hear the strength of Dasmesh Pita ji ... Bhai Ranjit SIngh ji also is full of love and admiration for our bajurg ...I am not against Baba Hari SIngh ji have much respect for his katha and vichar on Bani but this time his ambiguity coupled with the sakhi made me feel guilty /doubtful if I had made a mistake by going to gurdwara during those times, but I know this seems contrary to what I have read heard known up to this point. Waheguru mehr karo , dubida door karo ... OK Guru ji's answer to me about going to darbar ... Asa Mahala 5 Shalok and Chhant ang 455/456 Awsw mhlw 5 ] aasaa mehalaa 5 || Aasaa, Fifth Mehla: sloku ] salok || Salok: bnu bnu iPrqI KojqI hwrI bhu Avgwih ] ban ban firathee khojathee haaree bahu avagaahi || From forest to forest, I wandered searching; I am so tired of taking baths at sacred shrines of pilgrimage. nwnk Byty swD jb hir pwieAw mn mwih ]1] naanak bhaettae saadhh jab har paaeiaa man maahi ||1|| O Nanak, when I met the Holy Saint, I found the Lord within my mind. ||1|| CMq ] shha(n)th || Chhant: jw kau Kojih AsMK munI Anyk qpy ] jaa ko khojehi asa(n)kh munee anaek thapae || Countless silent sages and innumerable ascetics seek Him; bRhmy koit ArwDih igAwnI jwp jpy ] brehamae kott araadhhehi giaanee jaap japae || millions of Brahmas meditate and adore Him; the spiritual teachers meditate and chant His Name. jp qwp sMjm ikirAw pUjw Aink soDn bMdnw ] jap thaap sa(n)jam kiriaa poojaa anik sodhhan ba(n)dhanaa || Through chanting, deep meditation, strict and austere self-discipline, religious rituals, sincere worship, endless purifications and humble salutations, kir gvnu bsuDw qIrQh mjnu imln kau inrMjnw ] kar gavan basudhhaa theerathheh majan milan ko nira(n)janaa || wandering all over the earth and bathing at sacred shrines of pilgrimage, people seek to meet the Pure Lord. mwnuK bnu iqnu psU pMKI sgl quJih ArwDqy ] maanukh ban thin pasoo pa(n)khee sagal thujhehi araadhhathae || Mortals, forests, blades of grass, animals and birds all meditate on You. dieAwl lwl goibMd nwnk imlu swDsMgiq hoie gqy ]1] dhaeiaal laal gobi(n)dh naanak mil saadhhasa(n)gath hoe gathae ||1|| The Merciful Beloved Lord, the Lord of the Universe is found; O Nanak, joining the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, salvation is attained. ||1|| koit ibsn Avqwr sMkr jtwDwr ] kott bisan avathaar sa(n)kar jattaadhhaar || Millions of incarnations of Vishnu and Shiva, with matted hair cwhih quJih dieAwr min qin ruc Apwr ] chaahehi thujhehi dhaeiaar man than ruch apaar || yearn for You, O Merciful Lord; their minds and bodies are filled with infinite longing. Apwr Agm goibMd Twkur sgl pUrk pRB DnI ] apaar agam gobi(n)dh t(h)aakur sagal poorak prabh dhhanee || The Lord Master, the Lord of the Universe, is infinite and unapproachable; God is the all-pervading Lord of all. sur isD gx gMDrb iDAwvih jK ikMnr gux BnI ] sur sidhh gan ga(n)dhharab dhhiaavehi jakh ki(n)nar gun bhanee || The angels,the Siddhas,the beings of spiritual perfection,the heavenly heralds and celestial singers meditate on You. The Yakhsha demons,the guards of the divine treasures,and the Kinnars, the dancers of the god of wealth chant Your Glorious Praises. koit ieMdR Anyk dyvw jpq suAwmI jY jY kwr ] kott ei(n)dhr anaek dhaevaa japath suaamee jai jai kaar || Millions of Indras and countless gods and super-human beings meditate on the Lord Master and celebrate His Praises. AnwQ nwQ dieAwl nwnk swDsMgiq imil auDwr ]2] anaathh naathh dhaeiaal naanak saadhhasa(n)gath mil oudhhaar ||2|| The Merciful Lord is the Master of the masterless, O Nanak; joining the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, one is saved. ||2|| koit dyvI jw kau syvih liKmI Aink Bwiq ] kott dhaevee jaa ko saevehi lakhimee anik bhaath || Millions of gods and goddesses of wealth serve Him in so many ways. gupq pRgt jw kau ArwDih paux pwxI idnsu rwiq ] gupath pragatt jaa ko araadhhehi poun paanee dhinas raath || The invisible and visible beings worship Him in adoration, along with wind and water, day and night. niKAqR ssIAr sUr iDAwvih bsuD ggnw gwvey ] nakhiathr saseear soor dhhiaavehi basudhh gaganaa gaaveae || The stars, the moon and the sun meditate on Him; the earth and the sky sing to Him. sgl KwxI sgl bwxI sdw sdw iDAwvey ] sagal khaanee sagal baanee sadhaa sadhaa dhhiaaveae || All the sources of creation, and all languages meditate on Him, forever and ever. isimRiq purwx cqur bydh Ktu swsqR jw kau jpwiq ] simrith puraan chathur baedheh khatt saasathr jaa ko japaath || The Simritees, the Puraanas, the four Vedas and the six Shaastras meditate on Him. piqq pwvn Bgiq vCl nwnk imlIAY sMig swiq ]3] pathith paavan bhagath vashhal naanak mileeai sa(n)g saath ||3|| He is the Purifier of sinners, the Lover of His Saints; O Nanak, He is met in the Society of the Saints. ||3|| jyqI pRBU jnweI rsnw qyq BnI ] jaethee prabhoo janaaee rasanaa thaeth bhanee || As much as God has revealed to us, that much we can speak with our tongues. Anjwnq jo syvY qyqI nh jwie gnI ] anajaanath jo saevai thaethee neh jaae ganee || Those unknown ones who serve You cannot be counted. Aivgq Agnq AQwh Twkur sgl mMJy bwhrw ] avigath aganath athhaah t(h)aakur sagal ma(n)jhae baaharaa || Imperishable, incalculable, and unfathomable is the Lord and Master; He is everywhere, inside and out. srb jwick eyku dwqw nh dUir sMgI jwhrw ] sarab jaachik eaek dhaathaa neh dhoor sa(n)gee jaaharaa || We are all beggars, He is the One and only Giver; He is not far away, but is with us, ever-present. vis Bgq QIAw imly jIAw qw kI aupmw ikq gnI ] vas bhagath thheeaa milae jeeaa thaa kee oupamaa kith ganee || He is in the power of His devotees; those whose souls are united with Him - how can their praises be sung? iehu dwnu mwnu nwnku pwey sIsu swDh Dir crnI ]4]2]5] eihu dhaan maan naanak paaeae sees saadhheh dhhar charanee ||4||2||5|| May Nanak receive this gift and honor, of placing his head on the feet of the Holy Saints. ||4||2||5|| I think I have my answer now

Never said so...if Guru Ram Das ji tried use his dhardi to brush Baba Sri Chand ji's feet I believe he is deserving of respect especially as the udasis helped do parchaar of Guru ji's bani ... Suchamta is very important concept in Guru ji's Sewa. Just wanted to clear ambiguity of terms used and where sakhi is quoted from.

Sri Chand as in Baba Sri Chand ji son of Guru Nanak Dev ji ? or Chand on dastaar ? If the former then they are doing like 3HO another RSS sponsored outfit ... Baba ji is shown respect because he was shown respect by Guru Sahiban but he is definitely not worshipped by gursikhs .

Tabiya is directly in front of Guru Ji and has to have utmost suchamta both of sewadars and granthis who sit there , obviously if an accident was to occur and some bodily fluid contaminated the area it would be a major No-no , I have no argument with that but if we take taksali message as meaning appearing before Guru ji that means we are no different in outlook than the hindus or muslims ...and therefore women as less reliable sewadars etc .