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1.  Guru Sahib horse is not here anymore.  What the nihangs say is that these horses are from the same blood line of Guru Sahib horse.

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5 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

gurbani

Elaborate, which ang shabad, tuk? 

1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

there have always been bhagats of Akal Purakh in many faiths

According to who?

1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

it was where the call came out of the people ... the bhagats are the sikhs , Guru ji was/is Akal Purakh serving his bhagats.

 

Thanks for coming to the conclusion that I have been saying...help people.  Also there was no bhagats before Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji.   Before Guru Sahib there was only kabir, Ravidas, etc.  After receiving the teachings of Gurmat and receiving Guru's grace did kabir transform into Bhagat kabir ji, we hear in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. 

1 minute ago, jkvlondon said:

did you not read history of udasis he went to the heart of every religion on the planet and spread his message , he did what no normal person could do or imagine, travelled lands so disparate in culture language etc and yet was accepted hear mind and soul by everyone. Pangat without sangat is not sikhi just as sant without sipahi is not khalsa.

Read the question again.  What made Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji come to india to open up the langar idea?  Why not in another place on earth? 

Did india already have Sikhs before Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji came down and then he set up all sorts of langar for these Sikhs?

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

 Langar should have stayed in Gurdwarey , where people who want help can come to the door with nimrata , in foreign countries I can understand homeless outreach , but in India there are so many gurdwarey , there is no  excuse to allow beadbhi of langar  if people want it they can come and get it , I mean so many gurdwarey are now converted to  pick up points/food banks .

What made Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji come to india to open up the langar idea?  Why not in another place on earth? 

@proactive 

Keep searching for the Sant ji speech. 

1 hour ago, proactive said:

These people all CAME to Santji and asked for his help. He didn't go around Punjab looking for people that needed his help. All the people that the Khalsa helped were people who came asking for help. I am sorry but your lack of critical thinking is shocking. You do that each and every event has a context and a backgound and you don't just take a superficial view and use that you colour your view of the world. 

My advice to you is know your subject before you try and debate and you will not embarrass yourself as you have done here. 

Whether they asked or not the fact of the matter is, Sant ji helped non Sikhs even when Sikhs needed help.  Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji at a young age did not leave the jail until 52 hindu rajas left with him.  Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji stood up to Babur for Babur to stop his slaughter of non Sikhs.  Bhai kanhaiya ji basically did first aid (what it was at that time) on anyone in the battle who needed it.  There are many examples of Sikhs and the Gurus helping non Sikhs.  Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji stuck out his neck for non Sikhs when there was probably only a handful of Sikhs in the world. That was the time to grow the religion and Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji is putting his neck on the line.  

Increase love for Guru Sahib and your voice will show this.  Do this by having a deep yearning to understand Gurbani.  Do lots of paath.

10 hours ago, proactive said:

 That book is a collection of his speeches and that is the only incident that he has mentioned in his speeches with slight variations sometimes the idol was installed and in another it was a Mandir. It is up to you to bring forward the speech, if it  exists where you claimed Santji built a Mandir in a village because the Hindus did not have one otherwise you are just another a SJW liar who is quite happy to spead falsehood about Santji in order to justify your own SJW agenda. The one I found is totally counter to what you presented.

Your attempt to turn Santji into another SJW to justify your own agenda has failed. In fact its clear that Santji understood that the installing of an idol was useless and it would have been better to have bought a gun. The idol was also installed not on the instruction of Santji but by one of his followers who Santji said was soft hearted. 

 

Why did Sant ji help a hindu shopkeeper?  Why did Sant ji help a hindu wife who was being harassed by the in laws.  Why did Sri HarGobind sahib walk out with 52 rajas and not by himself when he was allowed too? Why did Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib ji give his head for hindu pandits?  

Keep searching Sant ji speech is there.

1 hour ago, proactive said:

I've checked the speeches and the only one that comes close to what you wrote is transcribed in the book Struggle for Justice which contains speeches and statements of Sant Bhindranwale. 

Keep looking, Sant ji clearly says it in a speech.

15 minutes ago, S1ngh said:

Which Mandir? Did he built from scratch? Did Sikhs do karsewa? Or did he support the mandir to be built where permission was not given? Is this the jail place story? 

Asking questions is good when they are genuine.  Which I believe you are being genuine.   However,  you will have to look for the video.  It's on YouTube.   I have no doubt that Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale said he built a mandir in a village where there was not one.  

2 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

Proactive is spot on about Daswandh. 

Daswandh can only be used for Sikh related purposes. But if you want to give Daan to non Sikhs that is fine too but not Daswand. Daswand and Daan are two different things. It is unethical for using a word like daswandh for daan

When Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale built the mandir for the Hindus, did he use daswand or Daan.  Sant ji had very little money of his own.  Just enough to feed his family.  However he had a lot of money coming in from Sikhs who gave daswand for the Sikh cause.  So did Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale use daswand to build a mandir?

22 hours ago, proactive said:

Unfortunately when a great man is gone so many stories are made up about him even when these stories are used as justification to undo all the great work that he did in his life. What are the circumstance of Santji having built a Mandir? Did he allow that Mandir as is the norm to restrict lower castes from going to the Mandir? If you have so much knowledge that you can bring something obscure like this up then come up with the whole story.

 

Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale is saying in a speech that is on YouTube that he made a mandir in a village that didn't have one.  Take your arrogant stance and find it.  Maybe it will do you some good 

Do you actually not understand the idiocy of your statement there? So a Gurmukh should be building a mosque because there is no mosque in his village.

The Gurmukh who I was referring to is Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale. "According to a Gurmukh a sufficient reason would be because the Muslims or hindus dont have one in the village." According to Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale action it justified.  

Since you like only putting Sikhs issue first and the caste system is a problem within Sikhs and mismanagement of Gurdwaras is an issue.  Go out there and start to resolve these very issues in the Gurdwara.   Go tell the jatt he can't build a separate Gurdwara in the pind  from the dalit.  And go tell anyone who is  mismanaging the Gurdwara golak that you will hire accountants to do an audit on their accounts.  Once you control the funds, you can put those funds to help ONLY Sikhs.

32 minutes ago, proactive said:

 

I have no problem giving you a thrashing openly like the above post on this forum, but don't ruin  threads because you have a problem with me.  Send me an pm and I would be more than happy to give you a thrashing there.  

23 minutes ago, proactive said:

If that is even true then we have to look at what the reason could be for Guru Hargobind building a mosque for those Muslims. Were they his sewaks who came from a Muslim background? Were they soldiers in his army? Had it been incumbent on Sikhs to build Mosques for Muslims then why don't other towns founded by the Gurus like Kartarpur Ravi, Goindwal Sahib, Amritsar, Tarn Taran, Kiratpur Sahib and Anandpur Sahib also have Guru Ki Maseets there? You claim to be an Akali so does any of the Hukumnamas state that Amritdharis should be going around building Mosques? Guru Nanak also went to Mecca so does this mean that Sikhs also should be trying to visit Mecca. You need to use your intelligence rather than just blindly taking something at face value without investigating further and using Gurbani to see whether that event is relevant to how a Sikh should be living his life. 

 

Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale built a mandir for Hindus and he said there was no mandir in that village so he built the mandir.  Now ask Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale if he was akali and had the hukamnama to build the mandir. According to a Gurmukh a sufficient reason would be because the Muslims or hindus dont have one in the village.   Let me continue.   Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji went to mecca to teach the right way to reach God.  This is why Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji also addresses muslim practices and teaching in Gurbani.  Go hang your head in shame for being dishonest.  

32 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Sikhs donating money to muslims are bewkufs 

the town i live in  in the local news paper it said that the local mosque collected over £300,000 donations for the cause of the rohingiya muslims. if 1 mosque in 1 town in the UK raised £300,000    imagine how much £££ donations every mosque in the UK made!  then imagine how much £££ they raised internationally for the rohingiyas     then you have these bhandars from our community giving more £££ and marching too the middle of know where to help them out   why the f did they do that?  when the rohingyas have a community of over a billion people behind them all financially supporting them. 

im surprised that ravi singh asnt invited the rohingiyas to come and settle down in punjab!  unless hes already offered them that  

 

Was Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib ji a wrong to build a mosque for Muslims?  What about Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindranwale for building a mandir for Hindus?

There are Sikhs and than there is people like you who shoot off their mouth without thinking.  Gurbani says have Sehaj and than think.  It's time all the Gurbani readings are put into practice.   

49 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Tell me if someone was raping your sister and you had to defend your sister by killing the assailant,  what would you do it?

Is it an evil thought to do the righteous thing and kill that person or would you be looking at gurbani scriptures to figure out what the right thing to do?

Now to save face you are changing what you said.  This is what cowards do.  You wrote

"Sometimes to uphold dharma, adharma must be done unfortunately. " to a post which supported the killing and forceful removal of innocent people to drive them out of punjab in 1947.  Key word here innocent.  When I brought up Sant ji response to a baby being murdered in front of him and he will save the baby is what Gurbani teaches and it's not adharma.  I wrote this response to your half brain partner @proactive and you wrote a comment.  It's disgusting how you dirty uncles conduct yourselves here. 

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Sometimes to uphold dharma, adharma must be done unfortunately. 

Only people who have no Gurbani teachings will support this evil thought.  But don't worry kids, this guy and rest of the uncles here will do nothing.  These guys don't have any courage in them.  Just on the sight of seeing an uniformed officer casually walking toward them they have feces coming down their pant leg.  

1 minute ago, proactive said:

Man are you really that thick or are you just trolling? Surely you are not that much of a <banned word filter activated> that you cannot understand what we have been saying? All I asked you was to give an example where the Gurus purposely went out to help non-Sikhs are the expense of helping Sikhs?  It should be simple to find an example as you seem to be defending KA and claiming that they are following the teachings of the Gurus? 

Nope,  it's not happening for you today.  Maybe come back tomorrow and give a good run at push starting the brain and the light bulb will turn on, maybe; hopefully!!.  I can't smash my head against a brick wall anymore.  

3 minutes ago, proactive said:

Did Guru Tegh Bahadur leave Sikhs being oppressed BUT instead go and become a martyr for the Kashmiri Pandits? Did Guru Harkrishan leave his Sikhs who were suffering from cholera and go to Delhi and help the non-Sikhs there? 

Your analogies and examples are so irrelevant that you are embarrassing yourself. 

Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib ji is the Guru of everyone.  This is what you and your half brained partner @Ranjeet do not understand.   Let me help you two by laying it out in a simple format.

1.Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib ji = Satguru

2.Satguru is here to help everyone without discrimination. 

It's only two steps.   I tried making it one step, but I am hoping both of you can add to two.  

2 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

What Sikhi teachings are those?

It's called reading.  Go and read the Sikh history I posted here and then read the Sikh history on Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib ji shaheedi.  Go read Sikh history on Sri Guru Harkrishan ji, who he helped.  Then come back here and tell us what happened.  Who did they help first and last. 

Just now, Ranjeet01 said:

You are trying to use Gurbani in an attempt to guilt shame. Very manipulative. 

I did not say  that we should not help anyone.

I said we said we should help ourselves first then help others. 

I hope you can understand that.

If we help our own first and make ourselves stronger then we are in a better position to help others.

Gabish?

You keep your godless advice to yourself.  Gurbani does not stipulate who to help first based on which religion the person is  part of.  

You should help yourself first by learning to read Gurbani, absorbing it into your mind, believing in Gurbani and then practicing Gurbani.  

6 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Help your own quam first then you are help others.

When you are in a plane and there is an emergency they tell you to put your mask on first before helping someone else with theirs. 

Tell Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib ji,  he should have first helped his quam.  Or tell Sant ji.  That's right, you don't follow Sikhi teachings.

Is your plane going down in this very instance?  Some one call the local emergency response for this uncle.  Learn how to make analogies.  Go to school and stay away from the bad uncles who are up to no good; always in the langar hall bickering.

7 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

You are waffling.

Everyone can't understand Gurbani.  I wish you best of luck in the future in doing so when you make an attempt.