dallysingh101

5 hours ago, BhForce said:

I'll disagree with you to an extent. I think it's OK to have "previous Panjabi tribal identities/state" in the background as long as:

1) It's not egregiously anti-Sikh stuff (like killing girls or mundan of boys)

2) You don't denigrate the "previous Panjabi tribal identities/state" of other Sikhs.

If those two conditions are fulfilled, then the "previous Panjabi tribal identities/state" just exists as a cute little "interesting" thing about someone.

It doesn't work like that does it./ Certain identities are actually predicated on a ridiculous supremacist mindset. That's the reality. 

5 hours ago, BhForce said:

One of the stupidest things that some Punjabis think is that Hindi is a more "refined" language than Punjabi.

No, Hindi is not more refined. It's just that Punjabis themselves are not refined.

I do understand that there are variations in the "feel" of languages: say, French vs. German.

But there's barely a difference grammatically and syntactically Punjabi vs. Hindi.

The difference is just that people often speak in a more refined way in Hindi because they are speaking it in refined contexts: A nice showroom in the city. A government office. A reception desk in a skyscraper.

Punjabis could speak Punjabi in a refined manner, too. But they don't.

I think a lot of what you're saying is true. I think the whole tone of Panjabi is different to Hindi and Urdu. It IS more 'rough'. That's why apnay speaking hindi sound shockingly feminine to me. 

But yes, theoretically Panjabi could be spoken in a refined way but many of us are rough ourselves.  

Now, when have we seen these tactics before............

Andrew Tate 'discusses tactics on how to lure sex trafficking victims' in leaked texts

• Screenshots of messaged from 2021 have been leaked and purportedly show Andrew Tate's interactions with both women and members of his 'War Room'
• Tate, his brother Tristan and two women are facing criminal charges in Romania 

Leaked messages have demonstrated how alleged sex trafficker Andrew Tate coerced women into doing sex work for him, according to a new report.

When the influencer was arrested in Romania in December, authorities accused him of using the 'loverboy' method to lure woman to his compound in Bucharest under the guise of having a relationship, before forcing them to do sex work.

According to Rolling Stone, citing screenshots of purported messages from the 'War Room' (Tate's groupchat with his followers) and other texts in 2021, Tate described women as 'targets' and 'assets' and spoke of isolating and manipulating them.

In one message, the misogynist described how he isolated one woman until she 'lost her support networks at home' and kept her at the compound in Bucharest.

'The real goal is for her to agree to never go anywhere without me. Not even her home town. I need her working,' he wrote, according to screenshots.

Tate, who is currently under house arrest,

Tate, who is currently under house arrest, also appeared to seek help from his associates to force one woman to post sexually explicit content on OnlyFans, an internet content subscription platform used mostly by sex workers.

In the message, Tate tells followers he'll be 'making the play tonight'.

'Since she moved [to Bucharest] she's been fed. But nothing else,' he wrote. 

'She's broke. And she can't go home. And she can't leave the house. Man, I sound almost evil,' he added according to the leaked messages. 

Tate has denied the trafficking and rape charges that have been levelled against him and his brother, Tristan, by the Romanian agency DIICOT.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12343669/Andrew-Tate-leaked-texts.html

9 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

There are areas that have gone past their sell by date for our people.

What does that mean long term though, that we up and move whenever these f**kers start turning up? We might as well be nomads then. 

Had a weird experience at a new job I was on (was only a one dayer). I was the only brown face there bar one freshie with a pagh. When we introduced ourselves I asked where he was from and told him I was from Malwa, he told me Majha. Then he started talking Hindi to me???   I was a bit confused first. Then he did it again, and I said to him: "I'm from malwa, you're from majha, why are you speaking hindi with me??" I don't know what he mumbled in response. Something like "I do both."

I tell you' I've met a few desi pendu labourers  on sites lately that have been f**king lazy. Me and this guy didn't really get on. I hope I don't have to work with him much. 

Another thing I realised about freshy pandus, is if you try and help them with their labourer workload from the kindness of your heart, the panchoday try and run off and duck doing the work altogether, lazy, sneaky  peasants.  

11 minutes ago, ChardikalaUK said:

I find them a bit odd in the sense they will play kirtan in their shops while selling alcohol and meat and their wives will cake themselves in makeup. 

This isn't unique to them, I've seen Panjabis do it in their off licenses in Southall. When I used to go to the melay.  What's weird is that the man behind the counter was a full on Amritdhari looking baba.

Actually I also remember one similar Amritdhari bloke here in east London that had an off licence too. I worked in a desi warehouse that supplied these places, their were a few amritdhari looking customers. Apnay used to own the off license trade back in the days.  

1 hour ago, Dsinghd said:

I’m from Birmingham and it’s a Gora area.

 

They should move to other areas where there lots of Asians.

This type of stuff was common by goray in London back when I was a kid. It's telling to see the koota's poonch is still not siddhi.  

5 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Goreh like living with goreh only, they don't want to live with Indians. Indians don't want to live with Pakistanis. 

It's just the way it is. The UK is a very segregated place, especially big towns and cities. 

The best thing is just to live with other apne. 

But when you see places like Southall....you think what the heck!!

Plus, goray don't mind living with Indians when the Indians are genteel, well educated and successful. Plus you know how many have this 'exoticised' thing about pretty ethnic broads too. 

These northern monkey type, knuckle dragging on the ground, wife beater/ flat cap wearing gora haven't evolved much from albino bandhers. 

9 hours ago, BhForce said:

From the context, who do you speculate did it?

I can't tell. But this type of stuff was typical gora behaviour back in the day.

But who can tell these days? It could be stanis, kalay or whatever doing it now? 

Plenty of eastern europeans are white supremacists too, but I haven't seen them do this type of stuff. 

Who mainly lives in Rowley Regis / Oldbury?

Met Police takes watchdog to court in bid to block report on how it's tackled violence against women and girls after it was blasted for failures in Baroness Casey's damning dossier

• UK's biggest force has come under intense scrutiny over its treatment of women

The Metropolitan Police has taken the Information Commissioner to court as part of a desperate attempt to block the release of documents that could expose failures to protect women and girls. 

Britain's biggest force has come under intense scrutiny over the way it treats women after a report by Baroness Dame Louise Casey branded it institutionally sexist and misogynistic. 

Her damning expose followed the horrific crimes of Wayne Couzens and David Carrick, who were both armed officers within the Met's elite diplomatic protection unit. 

The Times sent a Freedom of Information (FoI) request to all police forces asking for a copy of their 'problem profile' on violence against women and girls, which analyses how well they tackle different types of crime and includes recommendations on how to improve. 

The Met refused to publish the report before the Information Commissioner, the independent FoI regulator, ordered it to release the report following an appeal. It found the force had blocked transparency in a 'blanket fashion'.

Now, the Met has taken on external lawyers to take the Commission to court in an attempt to block the release of the report - the only police force in the country to do so. 

This is despite Met Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley complaining of a lack of funding due to 'major budget cuts'. 

Harriet Bland, a solicitor at the Centre for Women's Justice, said: 'Confidence in policing among survivors of violence against women and girls is now at an all-time low . . . it is therefore extremely disappointing to hear that the Met is using taxpayers' money to fight the release of a document analysing the scale of the problem.'

A Met spokesman declined to comment, citing live legal proceedings.

Baroness Casey's damning review into the Met found that rape and domestic violence victims were made to feel like an 'inconvenience' and 'gaslighted' by overworked and inexperienced officers.

One officer said: 'If you look at our performance around rape, serious sexual offences, the detection rate is so low you may as well say it's legal in London. 

'It's kind of reflective of how we treat and view our female colleagues. You get victim-blaming, looking at a situation and not believing them.'

Rape victims described being told they 'should and could have done more' to protect themselves by sarcastic, rude and dismissive investigators.

Many officers are desperate to close cases with NFA – 'no further action'. One admitted: 'The incentive is get it NFA'd because we have to do so much work to get it up and then the Crown Prosecution Service will NFA anyway.'

A community officer added: 'The best outcome is closing a report to reduce your workload.'

Domestic abuse crimes have doubled in London since 2012 and reported rapes have also gone up 244 per cent over this period, leaving officers swamped with work and dealing with 65 rape cases at a time.

Researchers found a woman raped and left in a coma was likely to be dealt with by a trainee detective. 

Officers said victims could wait months to hear about their case and some were left suicidal. 

One said: 'You don't want to be a victim of rape in London. Anyone who relies on policing in London for anything I'm scared for.'

Baroness Casey said promises to tackle violence against women and girls 'ring hollow'.

Last week a former Met officer claimed colleagues would drive the streets 'talent spotting' for attractive women, while facilities were so sparse cops stored their lunches with rape investigation evidence.

Ex special constable Matt Lloyd-Rose, who served from 2012 to 2015, said he was 'stunned' by the behaviour he saw when his team often patrolled Clapham, south London, in a police van.

He told the BBC: 'We'd been dealing with all sorts - stopping people for drugs, helping people who were drunk and confused, and chasing after illegal hotdog vendors.

As part of an effort to restore trust, Met officers have been banned from using sex workers and must now declare all romantic relationships. 

Additionally, they must inform the force if they receive any money beyond £5,000 as part of tighter guidelines. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12330989/Met-Police-takes-watchdog-court-bid-block-report-tackled-violence-against-women-girls-blasted-failures-Baroness-Caseys-damning-dossier.html

On 7/6/2023 at 9:46 AM, Guest Mr Lynx said:

deeply insecure, spirituality lost and firmly rooted in egotistical / materialistic lifestyles.

You can say this about a lot of apnay and apnnean too. Wake up mate. 

10 hours ago, BhForce said:

First of all the excerpt from Panth Prakash highlights the desire of Satguru for Sikhs to be strong and manly. Guru ji likes this.

Out of happiness at the Sikhs' physical exercises, Guru ji offers to grant them lands. But the Sikhs ignorantly insist on small holdings around their homes in Punjab instead of world that Guru ji is offering.

What about the comment that this is going to lead them into perpetual internal conflicts? 

20 hours ago, Jai Tegang! said:

I really enjoy the more direct and simple grammar of Bhangu's Panth Prakash compared to the more strecthed out flowerey suraj prakash. He gets to the point much more quickly! Perhaps it's my own bias because I'm in it for the history and not the poetry.

Bhangu's work is heavily Panjabised, whereas Kavi Santokh used Braj bhasha so, that's not surprising. I like the raw, often gritty narrative style of Bhangu as well: it reads like a saga, or a Game of Thrones type story, To say I found it very engaging is a major understatement. It was an important read because we are talking about a historical narrative uninfluenced by colonialism. It's undoubtedly a pre-colonial Sikh historical classic. I'd love to read the unedited text.

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Also, I think the text can be read by punjabi speakers and they can understand the gist of it without having to constantly read the translation/ commentary. 

I don't think I'm at that stage yet, but I can read the Gurmukhi and compare to the english to evaluate the translation and can see many of the extra bits the translators put in.

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There is a mention of a game called "saunchi" in the above text. I'm guessing it could be a type of contact sport like kabbadi ? Or perhaps somethinga bit more aggressive?

You're on the right track, this is what MK has to say:

A lot more young people dying?

I don't see it myself. 

On 7/6/2023 at 7:10 PM, Guest user5467123 said:

My main question here today is to know what I should do, my family don’t believe in depression and in fact they look at it the wrong way. I don’t want to suffer anymore I just want Waheguru to help me. 

I’m 22 years old I don’t know which Paath I should listen to that can help me. 
 

I can speak and understand Punjabi but cannot read it. Is there anything I should read or listen or even do that can help me. 

Many people in life have ups and downs. As much as you might feel it, you aren't alone in this. 

You're still young. In today economic climate, you're not alone in experiencing issues with employment either. 

It's good that you've acknowledged your feelings. Your journey out of your current state may be gradual. Try and do little things that bring you some measure of joy to fight back from your current state. 

In my experience time spent immersing yourself into your dharmic heritage is super beneficial in these types of situations. Sukhmani Sahib is widely used by people to help them obtain some measure of calm and peace in times of strife. If you want to take it up a notch, from my experience Jaap Sahib is also very powerful. Maybe now is a time when you could start taking little steps towards learning how to read Panjabi and Gurbani? It would be time well spent.    Also Japji Sahib is very powerful too. It's arguably the essence of Sikhi. 

Keep your head up, and heal. We have a very strong, broad culture. Immerse yourself into it. 

If you want to explore counselling, do that too. 

Dukh daru Sukhh rog paiya, jaan sukh taim nah honeen. 

On 7/5/2023 at 2:24 PM, dallysingh101 said:

I think we need to be thinking about ruling in India itself. By this I mean spreading Sikhi/SIkh culture throughout the land. Political influence. I don't mean trying to make everyone amritdhari or even keshdhari by this, but a proliferation of Sikh culture throughout the land. Supplanting previous dharams with Sikhi. 

I think we've long been on some strange trajectory where apnay have (stupidly) confused their Sikhi heritage with their (in my opinion lesser) Panjabi cultural one, especially the rural variant. This has stifled us to no end, and prevented our growth and development in my opinion. That rural Panjabicentric worldview doesn't have the required globalist perspective for expansion.   

To me it looks like this prophesy from Panth Parkash is coming true?

 

 

 

 

Anyone into reading Gurmukhi to some extent have any comment on the translation? It's an interesting text, even more so (for me) when Rattan Singh Bhangu mentions that the source is the much older Sukha Singh Gurbilas. I wonder if anyone has ever found the source sakhi (if it is in there) and compared it? 

13 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

I am a married man with a son you fool. 

Hahahahaha!! And I was thinking you was an uppity broad all this time....lol!!!  Stop acting like one. 

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And yes I wouldn't ever take a girl or woman to one of these melas. It was far more family oriented back in the 90s before the hordes of illegals came here.  

I don't know, I went to a few of them back then, I think a lot of skanky stuff went on undercover. Part of it seemed like another one of those putting apneean on a platter for anyone who happens to turn up. Don't get me wrong, I understand why people would attend and have enjoyed melay myself, but then these things have these other consequences.......  

I think back home they are just steadily regressing into their previous Panjabi tribal identities/state, which is dangerous because it means that we aren't evolving along Sikh cultural moorings. 

But then when I consider that they've been living in a period of the highest corruption of our highest institutes, to the point of buying votes for whisky - maybe it's not too surprising? 

3 hours ago, Kau89r8 said:

looool

@dallysingh101 @ChardikalaUK

Is this really a big deal? 

I'm glad you're laughing for a change btw.

Are you good at giddah?

Keir the c**t, why's he talking to satan himself like it's nothing? Is this your role model or something???

21 hours ago, ChardikalaUK said:

I was at a mela yesterday in Southall, the vast majority of the crowd were savages. Mostly illegal single men. They are the worst of our community here....These guys are just drunk perverts who urinate on the street. 

I think it's right that you and that kau8r89 broad should end up married to these types of guys since you two were so vocal in trying to castigate me for condemning the jut culture that creates perpetuates and normalises this behaviour. Hell, be honest, you was probably looking for some vulnerable twat to twist into your husband when you went to the mela. Like it's the first time you noticed this....... My granddad told me that this was how they behave (decades ago and back home),  hence why he prohibited his daughters going to these peasant celebrations.  

1 hour ago, ChardikalaUK said:

Southall is mostly a lawless place, people don't follow traffic rules at all and pedestrians are just as bad, just walking into the middle of roads while cars are driving, no one has any patience whatsoever. 

I have to add, I think apnay being in concentrations with many other apnay doesn't do them any favours. If anything it normalises some of the more brainless stuff apnay do.