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Thanks guys I tried to get the points across and we had some great feedback, hopefully we can continue this conversation I think everyone is pretty much agreed on the fact that gurdwara comittees are failing to engage the youth and are failing in a big way so they need to change I think the biggest thing we can do as sangat is to withhold their money and only support projects they think will help the community, rather then backing ridiculous building extensions they should find projects that are engaging young people and supporting the community in a positive way or use your money to setup these initiatives yourself. The sangat should be vocal and make sure that the committees are aware of what the sangat wants and needs are. Its time for change but change only comes if, rather then have defeatist attitude, we campaign and strive for it - rally people who are like-minded make sure all the sangat are agreed and wants to see this change and the comittees will have no choice but to bow to the demands of the sangat.

We have been asked to take part in a show on sikh channel tonight sunday 29th September On how gurdwaras should be supporting the youth Some ideas we will be discussing - classes held in gurdwaras - youth clubs - social workers available in gurdwara - english translations - martial arts classes - english speaking gyanis - financial support for youth projects Would very much like to ask if anyone has any particular issues they would like us to raise And would also appreciate any feedback after the show.

Wicked Singh - well proud of him.

another question if Nidar spent ten years in India with a random NIhang and learnt Shastervidiya and became last sikh warrior - then are we to beleive that NIhang Singhs who have been living in Dals for all of their lives for many generations couldn't learn the art of shastar vidiya? are the Nihangs really that USELESS ? I'm sorry but i find that hard to believe and to claim to be the last and only one is an insult to the Nihangs ! in actual fact many Nihang Singhs know shastar vidiya - the only reason it wouldn't look authentic to you is because it hasn't been embellished with the western influences of Silat, JKD, Escrima, Jujitsu, etc Nidar has been very careful to study other arts and incorporate them into shastar vidiya and market himself to the western audience so you guys see it and think wooahhh looks effective like jkd, krav maga and silat - and i know you really want to BELIEVE its the original art because Gorey are giving you attention, but he should be honest about it. proof of this is in this video where Pat O Malley says the 3 arts are the same, put any one in each others arts and they wouldn't know the difference at 8:13 in the following video so if thats the case ! whats so special about Nidar? why didn't he speak up and tell them that his art is older or more authentic like he has done to all the punjabi people - ahh but gora endorsement means more so he stays quiet and accepts that he's just an average teacher like the other two guys. now Pat O Malley and Maul Mornie both teach filipino martial arts and Silat, Nidar Singh Learnt Silat from two brothers from Coventry around ten years ago one of whom is an instructor level who trains with the american Silat Masters and how do i know that? - because i used to learn from the same guy

I think what concerns people is that once someone starts to go to these classes there seems to be; - a gradual disintegration of spirituality and dharam - abandoning of paath or kirtan : as if it is something that is not needed as a warrior and only for saintly people - they start to distance from their sangat and close friends into an isolated group of people from the akhara - have a belief that other mainstream Sikhs are in some way inferior or are living a British lie and do not know the real Sikhi which is sanatan - a gradual change in turban style and behaviour to mimic that of their new leader ; a very cocky and arrogant attitude - they seem to propagate this myth that all other mainstream Sikhs are mindless brainwashed extremists - a tendency to bring up controversial topics just to provoke a reaction - some will start to partake in alcohol or casual marijuana use - will not accept any criticism aimed towards Nidar there are a few others but it seems cisco you have proven the point i have been trying to make all along..... if Nidar's shastarvidiya classes have no spirituality or dharam then they cannot be the "Martial way of Guru Gobind SIngh ji" as sometimes Guru would abandon all logic of warfare and traditional battle tactics by sitting down to do Asa Di Vaar while in battle situations and sending his sons out to fight knowing full well there was no chance they could win the battle, instead they conquered the world by sacrificing this body, but never abandoning the light of allegiance and love to God. how can a man who says there is no need for warriors to do prayer be a Sikh of Guru Gobind Singh ji who said in bhai Nand Lals Tankhanama that a Sikh should not eat without doing japji, should not pass evening without rehraas, and should not sleep without doing Kirtan Sohila. Then there is the most famous story of Bhai Dalla who egotistically kept boasting to Guru Gobind Singh ji about his great warriors. Guru Gobind Singh ji asked him to present his warriors so that he could test his gun, dalla and his warriors stalled and noone came forward, but two Singhs who were doing seva in the Langar came running offering themselves as targets, even fighting each other for the chance. showing dalla that it was not great warriors but those who were willing to give their head, wealth and all in return for the Love of their beloved. This story reminds me of the Shastarvidia going on about their ancient "original" art and last Sikh Warrior status symbol, referring to their many interview battles in the magazines and newspaper articles. It is this lack of Dharam and spirituality which is the problem with Nidar! and why we advise our young people to stay away from him. Guru Gobind Singh ji made us Sant-Sipahi Guru Hargobind Sahib ji wore two Swords - Miri and Piri - teaching the Sikhs that both need to go hand in hand, Spirituality and Sikh warfare go hand in hand. the bola of the Nihang Singhs goes....

Talk on tomorrow at Guru Nanak Gurdwara Smethwick at 3pm

the time is actually 3pm tomorrow and not 12pm http://www.sasorg.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/SeminarSmethwick_web-300x212.png

i do believe that we need to make change in the Sikh community and organisations and the best way to do it is with our MONEY if a gurdwara asks you for building fund then ask them what they are doing for the community or the youth - and ask them what use are big buildings when there's no parchaar we were recently told by a gurdwara they wouldn't pay for a kirtan teacher because they need money as they want to extend the building to which i said "what use is a building if there's no sangat" when gurdwara people ask sangat for money everyone feels obliged because its religious and we should give, but i say DONT give it to Khalsa Aid, SOPW, widow colony,Sikh Helpline, Basics of Sikhi, , Sikh awareness society . anywhere that is actively doing something to help the community and tell the gurdwara comittees we DO NOT NEED MASSIVE BUILDINGS ! if we don't give them the money then they cant make useless empty buildings.

So what your saying cisco is that there is no spirituality or Dharam in Nidar's classes and for once I agree with you

watch from 2:00 very funny "10 days ago the newspaper was cursing me, and now they saying I'm their biggest fan" the spokesman newspaper has just proven that it is not a reliable source of information and is just a propaganda machine.

cisco paji , I WISH i had edited that video.... if you follow the link you will see it is on vimeo on the account of "Jacob Harbord" who is jacob harbord?well if you follow the link to the long film it says so please before you accuse us of editing the video please check the source. Jacob did a fantastic job, cant take credit for his good work.

I just love this video ! this is the shorter version and far more interesting https://vimeo.com/67993514 I'm not sure if it was intentional or not, but this is an absolute genius level of comedy any credibility that was left was smashed by this video,... hehhehehee plus I love the bit, where his student prophesises the reincarnation of the yet unborn legend of Shastarvidiya, that will one day walk through the doors of the akhara and save shastarvidiya for all mankind. and his son is a legend.... ...brilliant ! whoever made this video should get an award ! one thing which struck me as odd is that whenever Nidar does a demo with his students, they all tend to 'pull their punches hold back and kind of are programmed to let him do his thing and ensure he looks good'. there are many occasions where they could just make a strike from behind or show that he has prematurely turned his back to an opponent with a simple strike to the head or neck, but they just hold back also why is he teaching his students to fight from within the middle of a group of attackers, throwing out strikes randomly like a madman, surely you should pick one assailant and try to put him between you and the rest of the group, get on the outside so you are in a much better position to make an escape or be able to retaliate in any realistic way. and some would say you should never get into that situation in the first place. the fact that Nidar went on national media and said he is the last shastarvidiya master, is a besti to his students, because it implies that none of his students are really good enough or have the potential to take over after him, so he is having to resort to advertising in mainstream newspapers looking for a potential candidate, who can show more promise then his current 'supposedly' useless students.

Pretty Ironic ! hehehehhe http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/09/17/grand-theft-auto-v-fan-stabbed-_n_3940191.html?utm_hp_ref=uk GTA 5 Fan Hit With A Brick, Stabbed And Robbed After Picking Up Copy At Midnight PA/The Huffington Post UK | Posted: 17/09/2013 13:15 BST | Updated: 17/09/2013 13:29 BST A 23-year-old man was hit with a brick, stabbed and robbed after picking up one of the first copies of Grand Theft Auto V at midnight. The victim was attacked after he left an Asda store in north London just 80 minutes after the notoriously violent video game went on sale. He was stripped of his mobile phone, watch and his copy of GTA V near the supermarket. The man is now recovering in hospital where he is said to be in a stable condition. A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "The victim had been shopping and was on his way home when he was hit with a brick. "He was then stabbed and robbed." Police, who were called to Princes Avenue in Colindale at 1.22am, said the motive for the attack was unclear.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/lifestyle/staying-in/video-games/gta-5-torture-row-teachers-2278689 GTA 5 torture row: Teachers slam scenes of extreme violence in most expensive game ever made 17 Sep 2013 00:00In the 18-rated violent crime game’s most shocking scene yet, the player is instructed to pull out his victim’s teeth with a pair of pliers A brutal scene in a new computer game where players carry out gruesome torture techniques has been condemned by teachers. Today sees the official release of Grand Theft Auto 5, one of the most highly-anticipated games of all time. But it has sparked fears from the Association of Teachers and Lecturers about the impact of its extreme violence on youngsters. In the 18-rated violent crime game’s most shocking scene yet, the player is instructed to pull out his victim’s teeth with a pair of pliers. Gamers then perform the controversial ‘water boarding’ torture technique by pouring a flammable liquid over a victim tied to a chair. Players then smash the victim’s kneecap with a monkey wrench and give him electric shocks using spark plugs as he pleads for mercy. Alison Sherratt, president of the Lecturers and Teachers Association, insists such extreme violence should not be included in video games. She said: “Up until now we’ve been warning of the dangers of children seeing these games but saying it’s the parents responsibility to keep children away from these video games. “But this scene takes things a step too far and the games makers need to consider what they are producing. “Children in our playgrounds are displaying more violence and we have conducted polls and found they are viewing games like GTA. “My concern is that little brother or sister walk in to the room and start watching something like this because an older brother is playing it. “They don’t understand the difference between reality and fiction because it’s so awfully graphic and real. and they do copy it. “They imitate what they see and this scene is taking it way too far." Labour MP Keith Vaz says he is “astonished” by the controversial torture scene in GTA 5. The chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee has tabled a number of Early Day Motions calling for a curb on gaming violence in the past - including after Anders Breivik’s 2011 massacre. Mr Vaz said: “I am astonished at the level of violence depicted in this game. “It is worrying that this type of content could be accessed by young people, particularly considering the previous links to real-life violence. “It is important that the video game industry takes steps to fully inform the public about the level of extreme content. “Responsibility also lies with parents to ensure that their children do not access these types of games until it is appropriate.” The Lecturers and Teachers Association has carried out interview research it claims shows video games are increasing violence among primary school-aged children. Ms Sherratt added: “We’ve had children crashing into others in toy cars in the playground. "When asked about it they say they have been watching Grand Theft Auto. They are quite open about it. And these are children of nine and ten.” Players choose one of three career criminals to play as before, shooting, stabbing and crashing their way through meticulously recreated American cities. With a £170 million budget which dwarfs even Hollywood blockbusters, GTA 5 is easily the most expensive game ever made. More than 25 million copies are expected to be making their way into homes around the world generating a staggering £1billion for Scottish creators Rockstar North during the first year alone. Amazon is currently investigating after some customers who ordered their copy online received it earlier than its strictly enforced deadline of today. The online retailer said only “a small number” of customers had been affected, adding: “We have established processes in place to deliver new titles to customers on their release date and are looking into the circumstances that led to a small number of customers receiving this game earlier than intended on this occasion.” The franchise’s remorseless crime and violence have attracted criticism from campaigners who claim it leads to real-world violence. However, a recent high profile study published in Springer’s Journal of Youth and Adolescence found no link between youth violence and video games. Rockstar North has not yest commented on the controversial torture scene.

the problem is that most panjabi parents don't know what's in the game - if they knew they wouldn't let their kids play these games we just have to educate parents that these games are not sonic the hedgehog anymore

Tomorrow GTA 5 will be released - its an 18 rated game but i am still shocked at how many parents let their under-age kids play games like this and games like Call of Duty. the ESRB has stated the reasons for its Mature content classification as Now i'm not against games, i am an avid gamer and have pretty much played every major game to be released within the past 15 years, but i find that these games are really unsuitable for young children. When i was younger my parents didn't know anything about games, they just thought it was donkey kong and line tennis. So when games got really realistic they didn't have a clue the sort of stuff i was playing. But even then, back in our day Wolfenstein wasn't so realistic and didn't have the same impact as modern games which have real human looking characters and realistic blood damage effects. These days you have realistic looking characters and in gta's case quite misogynistic content which degrades women and gives the wrong kind of message to young people about how women should be treated.Also a problem is these children being introduced to themes and concepts that are presented not within historical or educational context but in a very gung-ho kill as much as you can kind of attitude. i guess for a sensible adult these games can be ok, and its not real so its just a bit of escapism - but for children this game can be quite damaging towards building their initial ideas on sex and morality- i think that older siblings and cousins must also be careful not to play these games around younger siblings. another issue is online gaming - you can check who your kids are playing with when they come over to your house but online they just wearing a pair of headphones and you don't know who's playing with them and what they are saying. A lot of the time there is some very offensive cursing and swearing between players which can be switched off so your child can play online without having to listen to it. I play games like call of duty and battlefield but never in front of my kids, until they reach a maturer age where they can understand the context within which the game is being played. my benti to parents is that they check carefully what games they buy for their kids and make sure the content is suitable, and also play games with your kids but restrict their time or use it as an incentive to complete homework or do other tasks. I do believe that games are a powerful medium and can help in engaging young children and can be great fun played in a family atmosphere. Here are some suggestions for kids little big planet 1&2 Lego adventure games Rayman legends Disney games (toy story, universe, ) Kinect games racing games such as need 4 speed & burnout Sports games such as Fifa or Pro evo and for the older lot halo 2 ,3 or 4 is good as a shooter as it more fantasy based and involves shooting aliens, not realistic looking humans.

This is barbaric and cruel it is truly KALYUG - the age of darkness

back to grooming topic - once a victim does go to the police they need help and protection from their community --------------------------------------------- http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/news/10661267.Brierfield_sex_grooming_gang_member_is_jailed/ Brierfield sex grooming gang member is jailed 10:00am Saturday 7th September 2013 in News A BRIERFIELD man who tried to scupper a major sex abuse trial by cajoling the teenage victim into writing a retraction letter has been jailed for four years. Qasim Hussain took the girl from Brierfield to Bradford to pen the bogus letter, shortly before she was due to give evidence of being abused at an East Lancashire property. The ‘respectable’ family of the 20-year-old were left devastated to discover what Hussain had become embroiled in, Preston Crown Court was told. Prosecutor Amanda Johnson said police also raided the family home in Townley Street, Brierfield, at the end of May 2012, discovering six wraps of cocaine in an outhouse and three sets of digital scales, one smeared with traces of the drug. The court heard Hussain also tried to con the authorities while on bail in separate criminal proceedings. He claimed he needed to return to Brierfield while a bail address in Bolton was being renovated. But enquiries made with his landlord exposed this as lies. Hussain, formerly of Townley Street, but later of Bacup Road, Rawtenstall, was found guilty of perverting the course of justice in relation to the girl after a Burnley Crown Court trial. He admitted being concerned in the supply of cocaine and possession of cocaine with intent to supply and the further charge of perverting the course of justice. Mark Stuart, defending, said: “His family has never been to court before and the cannot believe that a boy of theirs who has been brought up properly has done the things he has done.” Sentencing judge Jonathan Gibson was given reference letters from two councillors and a local youth worker. Jailing him, the judge said: “You were convicted by the jury of an extremely serious perverting the course of justice offence.” Six men were originally on trial for abusing the girl, then aged 12, in Brierfield but five men walked free after the girl changed her statement. Mohammed Imran Amjad, 26, of Halifax Road, Brierfield, was jailed for four years and three months earlier this year after admitting to child abduction and sexual activity charges relating to the girl. His brother, Furqan Amjad, 23, also of Halifax Road, was imprisoned for 15 months after admitting to perverting the course of justice. He was said to have bombarded the youngster with 350 text messages.

A Message from the daughter of Shaheed Bhai Jaswant Singh Khalra to Sikh Youth Vaheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa! Vaheguroo Jee Kee Fateh! Today marks the 18th anniversary of disappearance of my father, S. Jaswant Singh Khalra. It was on this day that my father was illegally abducted from our home in Amritsar and was later murdered on the orders of State Government and KPS Gill. Jaswant Singh Khalra truly lived a life of the “lamp that challenged the darkness” of injustice, state oppression and impunity. Ever since his martyrdom, S. Khalra’s work has motivated many to stand up against oppression and join the struggle for justice and freedom. During his visits to Canada, UK and Austria, he urged the community to follow the path of GurSikhi to honor the Khalsa spirit and ultimately become the defenders of Human Rights. He wanted all of us to continue the struggle to justice and end impunity by joining with like-minded people against oppressors and tyrant Governments worldwide. For the past 18 years, the Khalra family and Khalra Mission Organization (KMO) have received tremendous moral support from the Sikh Sangat in Punjab and in the diaspora. It is encouraging to see youth organizations like The SIkh Activist Network (SAN) who have continued to engage the next generation to agitate and educate fellow Canadians about our issues and recognizing our Shaheeds. However the story of thousands of innocent Sikh men and women who were murdered mercilessly still needs to be shared in the larger ‘Lok Kachehri’ (people’s court). With Vaheguroo’s bakhsish and support of the Sikh Sangat,we all remain committed to keep this movement alive. Today is the day to reflect upon how we should honor the legacy of Jaswant Singh Khalra! The people of Punjab and parents of thousands of victims of State Oppression had once asked Jaswant Singh Khalra about the fate of their beloved children. Their question still echoes and the future generations will soon ask us about the role we have played in this ongoing struggle for human rights. Although S. Jaswant Singh Khalsa is not with us today, his legacy continues not just in Punjab, but in all corners of the world where people are standing firm to end oppression and tyranny. At the end, I would request everyone to keep the lamp of justice lit so the future generations can breathe justice and peace. “Mukti de parvaaneo Shamma jagdi rakheyo!” (O passengers of liberation, keep the lamp ignited). Sincerely, Navkiran Kaur Khalra

I don't know what it is with punjabi older men - they have this emotional block maybe its us - maybe we are just a bit western expecting the extra affection - in india they just seem to have to get on with it we have to understand that we are british sikh - and not indian sikh and we are diferent lets try and look at it from their perspective.....! my dad like a lot of older punjabi men has an alcohol problem - and this is the only time his emotions come out RAW - all the tears emotions, friendships, and enemies and betrayals from family members get mentioned during that period - its pretty sad - these guys have achieved such a lot under a formidable set of circumstances, but I think in the process it took a lot out of them.... imagine this you grew up in India around your family, you were carefree and a bit of a dude, not so rich - your father passed away early so it was your responsibility to look after everyone, younger siblings and mother you get sent to a foreign country where you experience racism, verbal abuse, violence, working shitty jobs for a pittance, even though you were intelligent, and then you get married to a women you have never met (all the while thinking of Gejo, your childhood sweetheart from college back home) , its all tough but you just have to kill a part of yourself and do it, thinking of family back home who are relying solely on you! you earn not so much and you have to send half your money back to make sure your family back home can eat, and also go back each time you have to get your younger sisters married off, all the while your wife is getting pissed at you why you never have any money- uncles in uk get you settled and give you some work, yet they pay you crap and reap the benefits themselves some other relations back in India try and take your fathers jameen because you are out of the country you help all your family out and then afterwards they all just diss you anyway(typical indians) - so you become a bitter old man who takes it out on his family and then to top it all off you work your off all your life and give your kids all the chances you never had - then your kids come up to you and say you never hugged us all our life you insensitive ...... we haven't been through half the they have - in a way you pretty much kill off any sensitivity and become a hardassed ! I really HAted my dad throughout younger years, until i learnt about what he had to go through , from some of his old friends - it really opened my eyes and i thought had i been through all that would i have come out any better ? I think sometimes we just need to have faith that they love us - and may not show it like we expect but deep down it's there biggest Lesson is life itself - when you become a dad yourself - you appreciate your parents much better- you understand them in a different way I couldn't get on with my dad as a father - but i managed to make a great relationship with him as a friend - but only when i grew up and became a father myself rereading all this i am sure that a lot of people can relate similar stories to their fathers

this is a very important document that everyone should look at - there should be no doubt that we protect our young people from anti-panthic cults like these originally posted here - http://www.shastervidiya.org/letter-council-sikh-gurdwaras-birmingham-shepherds-bush-gurdwara-ban-nidar-singh/ Here is a letter from The Council of Sikh Gurdwaras in Birmingham (CSGB) which represents all the Gurdwaras in Birmingham to the Khalsa Jatha Gurdwara in Shepherds Bush who have been up until recently holding Snatan Hindu-Sikh Shastarvidiya Classes taught by Nidar the fake Nihang who has been exposed as a liar claiming to be the last Sikh warrior. The letter also clearly states that Nidar has been banned from teaching or preaching his ideology at all Birmingham Gurdwaras. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Our Ref: DPB/NSSBG Date: 31/07/2013 Dear honourable and respected President and Management Committee Central Gurdwara (Khalsa Jatha) Shepherds Bush, London Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh We write to you with deepest respect and humility for the historic platform that Guru Ji has blessed you to serve. We have been contacted by various members of the Sikh community who have visited Central Gurdwara with veneration, but have asked us to formally share concerns with you, of which you may not already be aware, in relation to the teaching of Shastar Vidya at Sheperds Bush Gurdwara Sahib, which we understand is administered under the tutelage of a Gatka Akhara headed by Nidar Singh. For some years now there have been substantial anxieties about the nature of practices passed on by, the ideology espoused and preaching done by Nidar Singh and/or his associates. Many people, some of whom have been former students and close associates and social friends with him and those close to him, have raised concerns that they have found the teaching of Shastar Vidiya to be misleading to vulnerable and impressionable young people who may come to learn this Sikh martial art. For example many young people have laid witness to the propagation of the use of Alcohol and Marijuana and even the practice of removing bodily hair for amritdharis. There are incidents shared where Sikhi aspirants who never drank or consumed drugs, are now socially active in these practices; more concerning, however, is that the social practice is often taking place within the same social group that the Shastar Vidiya akhara students form, rather than a circle that some students may frequent inadvertently. There is direct evidence of Nidar Singh and his associates actively propagating contra Khalsa Panth ideology by actively promoting a “Snatan Hindu-Sikh ideology” and stating that Sikhs are part of Hindu religion, not unique and separate (i.e. not a vakhri kaum or nation from Hindu ideology) which undermines the foundation of the establishment of the Khalsa Panth. Please see attached quotations from his websites (www. 1 www.) on which Sikh history is distorted by attributing misquotes to historic figures, and misrepresenting key historic events, in order to substantiate this Snatan ideology. In this respect all Sikh Gurdwaras in Birmingham and the surrounding areas, since becoming aware of the nature of Nidar’s beliefs, his teachings and practices have banned Nidar Singh from teaching at the Gurdwara Sahibs including Guru Tegh Bahadur Gurdwara, Wolverhampton These moves were initiated by Singh Sabha Gurdwara, Handsworth Wood, Birmingham cancelling classes taught by Nidar in early 2012, which culminated after a large meeting of over 150 people of broad backgrounds and jathas. After which the Committee of the Gurdwara Sahib took a decision to deny a platform to the anti-Sikhi ideology that is presented through Nidar Singh and his network, and the danger they pose to our youth to take them away from Guru Granth Sahib ji’s philosophy. We hope that you will take this correspondence in the spirit intended, and we trust that along with other Gurdwara Sahibs, The Council of Sikh Gurdwaras in Birmingham, Sikh Societies and jathe bandies (as per attached documents), that the committee of Shepherds Bush Gurdwara Sahib distance themselves from Nidar Singh and ensure the protection and safeguarding of the sangat who come to spiritually and physically excel in Guru Ji’s sanctuary. Please support these steadfast efforts to deny any group or individual a platform at any Gurdwara Sahib, to spread ideology that in itself contradicts Sikh teachings and practice, and takes Sikhs away from Guru Ji. We are available to provide any further evidence or support you may require. Dr P.S.Bhogal signed Chairman – Council of Sikh Gurdwaras in Birmingham (CSGB)

This is a really interesting view on the subject and this time its a muslim imam who is also sharing the same concerns. the same Imam - Dr Taj Hargey who features in this article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10061217/Imams-promote-grooming-rings-Muslim-leader-claims.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Oxford grooming ring was promoted by imams who encourage followers to think white women deserve to be “punished”, an Islamic leader has claimed. The guest house was linked to the Oxford sex gang. Left to right, top: Akhtar Dogar, Anjum Dogar, Kamar Jamil, Assad Hussain. Bottom: Mohammed Karrar, Bassam Karrar and Zeeshan Ahmed Photo: PA By Hayley Dixon 10:33AM BST 16 May 2013 Dr Taj Hargey, imam of the Oxford Islamic Congregation, said race and religion were inextricably linked to the recent spate of grooming rings in which Muslim men have targeted under-age white girls. Earlier this week seven members of a child sex ring from Oxford were found guilty of forcing under age girls to commit acts of "extreme depravity". Their victims, aged between 11 and 15, were groomed and plied with alcohol and drugs before being sexually assaulted and forced into prostitution. They targeted "out of control" teenagers. Dr Hargey said that the case brought shame on the city and the community and is a set back for cross community harmony. But worse still is the refusal to face up to its realities, he wrote in the Daily Mail. The activities of the Oxford sex ring are “bound up with religion and race” because all the men - though of different nationalities - were Muslim and they “deliberately targeted vulnerable white girls, whom they appeared to regard as 'easy meat', to use one of their revealing, racist phrases”, Dr Hargey said. That attitude has been promoted by religious leaders, he believes. “On one level, most imams in the UK are simply using their puritanical sermons to promote the wearing of the hijab and even the burka among their female adherents. But the dire result can be the brutish misogyny we see in the Oxford sex ring.” People tiptoe around the issues and refuse to discuss the problems exposed by the scandals such as those “from Rochdale to Oxford, and Telford to Derby”, he wrote. In all cases the perpetrators were Muslim men and the victims were under age white girls. To pretend it is not a problem is the Islamic community is “ideological denial”, Dr Hargey said. “But then part of the reason this scandal happened at all is precisely because of such politically correct thinking. All the agencies of the state, including the police, the social services and the care system, seemed eager to ignore the sickening exploitation that was happening before their eyes. “Terrified of accusations of racism, desperate not to undermine the official creed of cultural diversity, they took no action against obvious abuse.” The men were allowed, he said, to come and go from care homes by the authorities, and if the situation had been reversed with gangs of white men preying on Muslim teenagers ”the state's agencies would have acted with greater alacrity.” True Islam preaches respect for women but in mosques across the country a different doctrine is preached - “one that denigrates all women, but treats whites with particular contempt,” the Imam said. The men are taught that women are “second-class citizens, little more than chattels or possessions over whom they have absolute authority," he claims in the column. “The view of some Islamic preachers towards white women can be appalling. They encourage their followers to believe that these women are habitually promiscuous, decadent, and sleazy — sins which are made all the worse by the fact that they are kaffurs or non-believers. “Their dress code, from miniskirts to sleeveless tops, is deemed to reflect their impure and immoral outlook. According to this mentality, these white women deserve to be punished for their behaviour by being exploited and degraded.” Such cases can only be prevented in the future if Britain abandons the blinkers of political correctness, he concludes. Related Articles Oxford sex grooming gang jailed for life 27 Jun 2013 Don't deny Asian grooming of girls, warn MPs 10 Jun 2013 Child sex gang guilty of grooming and gang-raping vulnerable girls 14 May 2013 Oxford sex gang: council and police 'should consider their positions' 15 May 2013 Oxford sex gang: girls as young as 11 'forced into prostitution' 14 May 2013

A month ago Param Singh was arguing with us calling us racists for even mentioning this issue - today i asked him why he didn't believe us and it took the BBC to do a documentary for him to acknowledge it and he replied with i never denied it and islam isn't evil - to which i replied no one is saying that we just saying there's a problem and how are we going to deal with it then i asked him what does he and Shitty Sikhs see as the way forward to help the community in this aspect and i'm still waiting for a reply. the Shitty Sikhs Network don't represent or reflect the Sikh community anyway so i don't think anyone cares about what they say and doubt they will do anything to help the situation other then turn up to a few meetings and be the token turban people to give the impression of diversity. as for param, I mean come on whos guna take him seriously after "take me out"

ahh dekho the legacy of Bhai Jaswant Singh Khalra - he awoke others and forged a path that still shakes the world NOW! Historic Speech of Jagmeet Singh on The Day Canada’s NDP Recognized Jaswant Singh Khalra, An Important Human Rights Defender Jagmeet Singh is an Ontario Member of Provincial Parliament elected to the Legislative Assembly of Ontario.

Today Marks one of the most Shocking cases of the disappeared Sikhs of Panjab. Bhai Jaswant Singh Khalra Sikh Human Rights Activist The Person investigating the cases becomes a victim of the Panjab Police. Bhai Jaswant Singh Khalra : A Human Rights Activist, A Sevadar and Becon of Light for the Disappeared. who had challenged the darkness by exposing the Indian government, in how the innocent Sikh youth in India were being killed. Bhai Sahib attained shaheedi on 6th September 1995. to read about Bhai Sahib's findings, jeevan and an interview with Bhai Sahib's singhni, please go to the link below: Jaswant Singh Khalra's grandfather Harnam Singh was an activist in the Ghadar movement for the independence of India. Jaswant Singh is survived by his wife, Paramjit Kaur Khalra and two children. 18 years ago Sardar Jaswant Singh Kalra Ji was washing his car outside his home in Punjab when a police jeep under orders from K P S Gill pulled up and abducted him. Jaswant Singh Kalra was never seen again! He was tortured and murder, his body was disposed of by the police. His crime was that he spoke the truth. By going to the cremation grounds and looking at the records of those that supplied wood to be used for cremations he was able to prove that Punjab police was abducting thousands of young Sikhs and killing then cremating them. Jaswant Singh Kalra was speaking out and being listened to across the globe and this was dangerous for the authorities so they had him murdered. Six police officers have been tried to date, five are serving life sentences and one has been acquitted. They all say they were acting under direct orders from K P S Gill. This butcher needs to be brought to book. Will this happen? I doubt it, he has so much protection from central government that it is rumoured that he lives in a place so secret that the average public are kept 50 kilometres away!! Bhai Sahibs Speech to Canadian parliament - MUST WATCH A TRUE HERO AND A TRUE SIKH, BHAI JASWANT SINGH KHALRA WE SALUTE YOU ! and we hope to have even a ounce of the anakh and bahaduri that you had for more info see here http://www.1984tribute.com/Jhujaroo-Jeevani.php?id=126 and please leave your comments and tributes in this post, so that we can remember such heroes and teach our children about them.