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11 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Which Universities do the Nishkam Trust have links with?

Why not ensure good Sikhi education for the kids outside of school ?

I heard that mone kids in the Sikh school in Chigwell (Essex/E London) tease the kids who have joora/patka. 

They have a good relationship with Birmingham University and work with King Edwards Grammar, there are students who have gone to Cambridge and Kings.

Not sure about Guru Gobind Singh Khalsa College (I'm assuming that's the one you are talking about in Chigwell), i know they have had their up's and downs and did pretty badly in their ofstead a few years back, as far as the teasing i have no idea, i wouldn't be surprised, it used to happen at our kids school (Sikh ethos school in Leicester) until it was called out by parents and it was handled by the school.

3 out of 4 of my kids have had the jab, my youngest is 6 so we'd probably have to think long and hard if it's approved for the young ones in the UK, it's a personal choice, i have no time for conspiracy theories and anti-vaxxers, that's their choice, I'm sure they have their own reasons, but for me when it comes to things like this, i speak to my GP who I've know for over 20 years and family members including my sister who work in the NHS and have seen first hand what the last 18m months have done and take advice via that route.

On 11/29/2021 at 8:03 PM, Premi5 said:

 

I know some parents who think it won't look on the kids' CV when applying to University etc and worry that they might not be able to integrate as well into society. 

I don't know though. A lot of Jewish and Muslim children in North London do well and go to good university/courses. 

I hope there are not problems with these projects because of greed of individuals running them. There are not even many 'Sikh schools in India or Punjab. The Christian schools in Punjab seem to be a lot more popular. 

It's a very short sighted attitude to think it won't look good on the kids CV, when it comes to schooling (I'm a parent of 4, all of who are varying ages, the eldest is about to go to Uni) the more important thing to look at is pathways through school to secondary school to college then Uni, if you sent you kid to one of the Nishkam Trust schools (for example) then they are more likely to be accepted into one of the top flight Uni's as the trust has built relationships with them, we've had to forward plan what school's out kids go to so they get into decent colleges and Uni's, very few Sikh ethos schools in the UK have this (kids tend to scatter to different colleges after their GCSE's, there's no preferred college or Uni).

It's something you only really understand once you have kids going through the education system, 3 of my kids went to (and one is still attending) a Sikh ethos school, they don't have a secondary school for the children to go to so all the knowledge they gain their about Sikhi and how it's built into their day to day education is lost one they enter secondary school. We, as a Sikh community, politicise everything and let in-fighting rule instead of putting the kids and their education first, as much hate as Nishkam Trust get from certain quarters they are one of the few in the UK that have done it right where they have provided schooling from nursery all the way through to sixth from.

DO people still listen to the BBC Asian Network, i gave up years back, they are so disconnected with anything going on in the Asian community you'd be better off listening to Classic fm.

They've not really reported on the farmers protest since it started, only when it fit's their narrative, it's the same with getting people like these two on, do the world a favour and stop listening to that station, it should have been shut down (and nearly was) years ago, it's not fir for purpose.

21 hours ago, Suchi said:

And closer to home. 

What happened to our right to question our so called leaders:

 

You could see it wasn't going to end well for him at about 20 seconds in, typical security guards though, either failed or ex-coppers (not saying all of them are as dumb as two short planks), god forbid they ever use diplomacy. Uncle in the front was getting a little flustered though, especially when the security guard brushed up against his dastaar.

4 hours ago, Suchi said:

The media is free to ignore her. As they do with the number of murders following the Bengal elections, the rampant Christian conversions, the high number of covid cases in Maharastra, Kerala and other stated. Or the alcohol and drug problems of Punjab. 

Why are they giving her so much importance? Can one person have so much influence if what they're talking about isn't based on fact or what the majority are thinking anyway? If they're lies, they can be countered. Have her rantings caused actual violence? No,  in fact she has been subjected to violence and legal action as a result. 

And she was the only actor to publicly announce her support of Sushant Singh Rajput. Where were all the so-called award wapasee gang then? Too busy hiding and afraid to risk their lucrative contracts? 

Are we now to be afraid of opinion that does not conform to a particular agenda, such as 'Islamophobia' that most know not to be a phobia at all? Yet the media is quick to shut down all dissenting voices. 

We are heading towards a distopian hell if we sit and do nothing. I've personally seen what that hell is, but you probably wouldn't believe me. 

I think the media in general (in the west anyway) do ignore her, they all have their own narratives to follow.

The problem with her "rantings" is that they give a certain portion of society, a voice and that sometimes isn't necessarily the right voice, Trump did the same thing, look how that ended. just because what she say's hasn't resulted in violence (yet) doesn't make it right.

I don't follow the in's and out's of what Bollywood actors do, they live on a different plane of existence to normal people and in the most have a huge ego's and think they stand above others, what little interest i had waned after the majority of them decided to stay quite over the farmers issue.

6 hours ago, Suchi said:

I like to think I'm fair. 

Her acting skills are phenomenonal.

But she has a big mouth that she doesn't always know how to use properly which has already landed her in hot water. 

Whether she is acting on behalf of herself or someone else remains to be seen.

I don't believe she has that much political power or influence. 

 

 

 

I think calling her acting skill's phenomenal is stretching it a bit really, she's hardly a Helen Mirren now is she, anyway, i digress, she has something that's more powerful than political power, she has a blind following of what's left of her social media platforms and they eat up all the right wing nonsense she spouts.

36 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

look there are millions of these evilhearted people but they only become dangerous when they inflame by lying and inciting on mass media channel , just think if Amitabh wasn't able to spew hate on doordarshan wouldn't it have made ordinary folks less sympathetic to the genocidal gangs ? less likely to turn around and tell ud to forget it ?

I think the difference now is most people with half a brain-cell question things they see on Tv and read on social media,  it's a result of Trump and the lies he tried to sell, the Indian media has been laid bare for all to see many times over during the farmers protests, the difference is that people go out and find out the truth themselves There will always be those follow blindly (unfortunately there a a lot of people in India who will follow actors and worship them like gods and whatever they say is the gospel truth).

4 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

They arrested 3 guys within ONE HOUR of the attack. How would the intelligence services know where to go to make the arrests if they weren't watching the people involved?

This lends credence to my personal theory that most of these attacks are allowed to happen, meaning the authorities are always aware of an imminent situation, the response / outcry to each attack being a particular political excuse to usher in legislation dependent on the direction they want society to travel, or at least gradually alter the mood and temperament of society.

In my younger days I believed these attacks were carefully planned and executed by State actors masquerading as terrorists or at least guys recruited by them, but that was me going a bit too far, lol.

Yeah, there was a time a few years back where i would completely disagree with most of what you've said but given the events of the past couple of years the idea that these things are allowed to happen doesn't really sound that insane anymore.

33 minutes ago, Premi5 said:

Possibly, but I don't think the MP thing has been such big news to affect voters, but you could be right

It was really more of an observation, every time the government get caught out doing no good there tends to be some sort of "event" that happens to distract the public, whether this particular situation affects voter doesn't really matter, what matters is it affect the pockets of those who got caught out.

It's strange how all of this has come out and suddenly there's an attempted terrorist attack up in Liverpool to distract peoples attention, I'm not a huge conspiracy theory believer but this kind of thing has happened more than once, just sayin....

1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

How so?

Liz Kendall seems principled, but I might be wrong. 

Liz Kendall's one of the better one's, Ashworth seems to be away from his office most of the time when constituents want to see him but he'll turn up at event's (Nagar Kirtans included) for the photo op, i think I'm just jaded and have had enough of most MP's, the events of the last week or so and yet more majority Tory sleaze to come out just doesn't surprise me anymore, it's the fact that they are able to get away with it with very little re-course, if a member of the public behaved that way they'd be in jail.

19 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Worse than Vaz...but at least from Leicester.

Is there anyone in Leicester that would make a good MP, do you think ?

 

They're all the same, it's just different sides of the same coin, as shady as Vaz was he was instrumental in the opening of the Sikh ethos primary school here in Leicester, the original academy was going to get taken over over by another one who were looking to open up a school under their banner instead, the DFE got involved and al sorts (long story, maybe for another thread), bur overall they are looking after themselves first and pretending it's for the community, the ones that are decent don't get far, there are a few good local councillors here that get stuff done but they tend to bypass all the red tape to do it, I used to think Ashworth was decent but he's like the rest of them as well.

21 hours ago, Premi5 said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10181447/Disgraced-MP-Claudia-Webbe-wait-four-months-challenge-harassment-conviction.html

 

Acid threat MP Claudia Webbe will keep her job and £81K salary for up to the next SIX MONTHS as court rules her appeal against harassment conviction will be heard in March

• Claudia Webbe, 56, called Michelle Merritt a 'slag' and throw acid over her
• She was convicted of harassment after a trial at Westminster Magistrates' Court
• Webbe had denied the offence and she has now lodged an appeal against it
• She will have to wait until March for her three-day appeal hearing in Southwark 

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PUBLISHED: 11:11, 9 November 2021 | UPDATED: 14:16, 9 November 2021

 

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A serving Labour MP who threatened to throw acid over her love rival will continue to collect her £81,000 salary while she attempts to overturn her conviction and sentence for harassment in March.

Claudia Webbe, 56, called Michelle Merritt a 'slag' and said she would send naked photos of her to her family, a court heard.

Webbe, who was expelled from Labour when she was convicted after a trial at Westminster Magistrates' Court, was sentenced to 10 weeks jail, suspended the term for two years with 200 hours of unpaid work.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10176109/ANDREW-PIERCE-Disgraced-MP-Claudia-Webbe-faces-trouble-closer-home.html

Webbe bombarded a friend of her partner with abusive phone calls, threatened to attack her with acid and to send naked pictures of her to family and friends, while ludicrously later insisting she was the victim because she was ‘a black woman in a white court’.

She's one of the local MP's here in Leicester, completely and utterly useless, which is a huge feat in itself considering she replaced Keith Vaz. The local Gujrati community absolutely hate her, they tried their best to get her out when it was announced she was to replace Vaz, they wanted one of their own in again, it's completely bonkers that she's been allowed to stay in, Labour have booted her out and most of the local community want her out as well.

They've been trying to find any excuse to enact a law like this, it's already being called out that the murder of David Amess's death had nothing to do with online abuse, just when you think the Tories couldn't reach a new low they try and pull some crap like this and use the death of an MP as an excuse.

Post 9/11 had to be some of the most uncomfortable journey's i ever took on the train into work, a few day's after it happened when the news was blazoned with images of Al-Qaeda people would just stare which, in a way, was way worse that someone saying something, this was in the UK.

I visited New York with my wife 2 years after 9/11, we were there on holiday and visited the memorial site as it was originally (a huge pit with chain-link fencing with flowers and photo's of those who had passed attached to it), irrelevant of what people around us were doing (you could feel peoples stares burning in the back of your head) there were plenty of people there not staring or being judgemental, we payed our respects and left, on a personal note it's a moment in my life I'll never forget, standing there showed how cruel we can be as human beings.

14 hours ago, Arsh1469 said:

Out of the loop what did he do?

He uses Punjabi culture and the Sikh religion when it suits him and serves his narrative in films but turns his back when his support is needed (Farmers protest).

1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

Not me !

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Hope he's changed his ways.

http://juniorpip.blogspot.com/2012/09/so-scam-can-actually-be-useful-part-1.html

I saw this on Twitter, not just the light show but what they've actually done to the place, it's been reduced to nothing more than a glorified fun fair, Kim A. Wagner, who's a Professor of Global and Imperial History at Queen Mary (University of London) has extensive knowledge of jallian wala bhag has been posting about his disgust at what they've done extensively on twitter over the past few day's, his stuff is well worth reading.

On 5/30/2021 at 9:24 PM, Guest Harky said:

I have read the Rehat Maryada a few times and it does not say that Amritdhari Sikhs can only eat food made by other Amritdhari Sikhs, it only says that Amritdhari Sikhs can not eat the leftovers of a Non-Amritdhari Sikh.

My parent's (and Grand-Parents before them) are devout Amritdhari Sikhs, they live by this rule, they don't eat leftover's from anybody but only share with other Amritdhari's, me and my siblings aren't Amritdhari but because we were bought up like this we live by the same rules.

I've come across a few families who won't eat foot that isn't prepared by non-Amritdhari's, we have one in our extended family and their father wouldn't eat anything at his daughter's house after she got married because the son-in-laws family weren't amritdhari, my father's a pretty devout Sikh and even he found that a bit extreme, each to their own i suppose.

4 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

What do we want?

I think a public apology to the Khalsa Panth, the gentleman afflicted, and the firing of all individuals involved, the person that promoted one of them, and everyone who oversaw the disciplinary investigation. 

And a suitable compensation to Kieran Sidhu Ji or they can just let him wreck them in civil court. Which will go better for him if we blast these people publically. 

I don't think it'll even get to Civil Court, if settled it will be done behind closed door's, there will probably be an apology hidden on their website or social media feeds that starts with something like "We do not stand for workplace bullying..." with no mention of racism anywhere, it's all been done before, it'll be classed as "workplace banter".

The best thing to do in today's age is to hit twitter and start tagging them in publicly, to a few @"insert news company here" and @"insert local mp here" and you'll soo get some traction.