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On 6/16/2024 at 5:50 PM, Jassu said:
Lol this is so common. This is the average wedding. Plus nowadays auntiyaan and young girls are dressing half naked in lenghas and saris and stuff or literally sometimes even a western dress. Men freely dance with women. Plus they hire some naked belly dancer or hire some Bhangra team dancing like monkeys at ur wedding. It’s awful. I assume it’s Punjabi culture.
Let’s not mention all the men getting drunk and trying to hit on the women at the weddings.
So many young folks skip the gurudwara wedding too because it’s boring and they can’t get lit even though that’s the main part of the wedding & most important.
Amritdhari men and women are less likely to engage in such activities tho, I don’t see them doing this, when they get invited to such weddings they sit in the corner and refuse to engage or dance and such.
I’m marrying into a non Punjabi family and me and my partner went to a Sikh wedding recently because he’s never experienced one and he was shocked and said he thought Sikhs were way more conservative.These unclassy women family members, have spolied family parties along with the males who can't hold their drink, some of them maybe don't even reach uncle category.
I guess it's time to just do celebrations at gurdwara because of these behjti people!
On 1/7/2025 at 12:11 PM, caveman said:Would be good if some gurdwaras had a hall nearby and allowed Singhs to jhatka for the post-wedding celebration! Have the protesters gone old, have the youth got more knowledge about jhatka? Wedding parties were good and all, but the girls don't know how to dress anymore and ruin the family values, so families might need to stop these parties!
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Akaaal!
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is there a social media link to this video?
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This is where the vichola needs to get involved, and family!
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Some new moves to add if your gatka public displays are getting repetitive.
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25 minutes ago, realist17 said:
Off topic but they are removing
S. Bhindranwale tracks from youtube and soundcloud. You guys aware of this?
remove or restricted?
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I'm usually more on reddit, much easier to use on phone as well.
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Guru Sahibs jis were Sarguna saroop, this should also apply to Guru Granth Sahib.
We do do pooja of Guru Sahib, this is reinforced in katha such as Suraj Prakas.
But sometimes worship can mean something else beside pooja.
I think Pooja does actually have a meaning similar to "paying respect to", worship may have another meaning. Maybe this is what he is getting at?
Or maybe the fixo fumes got to him, I dunno ...... LOL
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20 hours ago, BhForce said:
I recognize a lot of things happened in history. I'm not saying they didn't.
My point is simply you can't go around accusing "normal" Sikhs of being traitors just because they are following the "normal" rehit.
You can very kindly try to persuade them but please don't call them enemies just because they did Chaupai according to the SGPC Gutka.
That would be like calling someone who:
-Wears Western clothes
-Doesn't do Asa Di Vaar or Sukhmani Sahib daily
-Does shorter Rehras
-Only wears a kirpan and not the 5 shastars
-Wears a small kirpan and not a 3-foot kirpan
-Doesn't wear blue bana
-Doesn't ride a horse
an "enemy".
I did not call anyone an enemy. I am concerned that this politics and anti-dasam views are being taught to yet another generation of unaware children. Of course this can be unintentional like the previous generation, but due to the amount of wider resources and santhiya, we should not be doing this in environments that are not associated with any group or sect etc!
End of the day, children should be taught Chaupai Sahib upto Arril, and they can choose to cut/mutilate the benti chaupai if they need to do paat at a strict Singh Sabha or SGPC gurdwara such as at Harimandir Sahib, or choose to join SGPC, and some "stricter" parts of AKJ etc.I look at myself and don't understand why I wasn't taught Chaupai Sahib properly and just blindly kept doing the SGPC bhasaur version. Since I went to Guru Nanak School, I should have known better as Nanaksar would never cut it, but that school wasn't even able to teach Japji Sahib to students let alone Chaupai Sahib in the 1990s!!!
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I heard an announcement yesterday and watched a video:
Guru Maneyo Granth gurdwara are opening a girls independent sikh school nearby0 -
On 7/25/2024 at 10:56 PM, BhForce said:
Bro, reciting a shorter Chaupai Sahib is hardly "anti-Dasam". It's fine to argue that the longer Chaupai is more traditional, but the short one isn't anti-Dasam.
That's like claiming shorter Rehras is anti-Guru Granth Sahib ji just because there are fewer selections from Guru Granth Sahib. It might not be traditional, but it's not anti-Guru Granth Sahib.
I prefer the longer versions, but let's not exaggerate.
Every tradition has a slightly different Rehras version. Nanaksar vs Taksal vs Nihangs and so on. The basic template for Rehras is at the beginning of Guru Granth Sahib ji. Later, Chaupai Sahib was added and Anand Sahib always follows as the end of a process.
Then some sangats added more saloks to start Rehras and others were added at the end. Some additional selections from Dasam Bani were also added, but it wasn't the same ones for every sangat.
The important thing is to not hate on each other for these variations.
The shortcut benti Chaupai sahib was literally started by anti-dasam elements like Bhasauria and in Harimandir Sahib by his associate Kartar Singh Kalaswalia. Elements like Bhasauria also cut bani from Guru Granth Sahib saroop, printing without Bhatt Savaiye and bhagat bani. Bhasauria and co were also involved in removing dasam granth saroop from gurdwaras such as Ramsar and Akal Takht, using spears and knives ripping saroops angs pages.
Regular Chaupai Sahib should be at least upto including Arril, I was not including Rehraas at all since the students did not perform Rehraas. Mahapurakhs, santhiya, and sampradaiye all teach Arill, and even then cutting out benti Chaupai bani like that is silly.
https://www.sikhnet.com/news/chaupai-sahib-what-happened-last-pauris
"One of Teja Singh's associates, Giani Kartar Singh Kalaswalia, served as the head Granthi of Sri Harimandir Sahib. During his tenure, the Chaupai and Dohira were removed. Ran Singh, the son of Teja Singh wrote the Dasam Granth Nirney in 1919. Therein, he claimed that another Bani (prayer) began after the 25th pauri (verse) - Dustt dokh tay layho bachaaee. However, this claim is false. This is the earliest reference to the short version of Chaupai Sahib, as prior to this, no evidence of anything other than the full Chaupai Sahib has been found."
[Editor's note: Yes. You read that correctly. The same person who introduced the cut Chaupai Sahib... was excommunicated by the Akal Takht... and yet the majority of us use his cut version today!]
https://www.sikhnet.com/news/chaupai-sahib-broken-bani
QuoteTeja Singh Bhasauria was an employee of the British Government. He was given a School and funding to finance both the school and a printing press by the British. He intended to change Gurbani as directed to him by his British employees and his own ideas that were against the Hindu religion or any association to Hinduism in Gurbani. This has been recorded in history both by Prof sahib Singh, and by the fact that a Hukamnama ex-communicated him from the Akal Takht.
One of his associates Giani Kartar Singh Kalaswalia was the head Granthi of Sri Harimandir Sahib. It was during his term of seva that the Chaupai and Dohira were removed. Teja Singh's son Ran Singh, wrote Dasam Granth Nirney in 1919, in which he claims that another Bani starts after the 25th pauri - Dustt dokh tay layho bachaaee. This is untrue. This is the first reference to the short Chaupai Sahib. Before this time there has not been discovered any reference of anything but the full Chaupai Sahib.
The one thing that is very striking about this history is for the first time in Sikh history the Banis have been compromised. Until the British Raj, Sikhs had given their lives to preserve every word of the Siri Guru Granth Sahib and the Siri Dasam Granth. There are many Sikh issues today; lack of leadership, terrorism backlash, women's seva issues. Amongst all issues Sikhs could always go to the Shabad Guru knowing that it was exactly how the Gurus wrote it with Their own Hands. This is one thing that stands out about Choupai Sahib. Every Sikh knows the importance of the Shabad Guru being preserved. Guru Har Rai, who was so gentle that he couldn't even harm a flower, disowned his own son for changing one word of the Adi Granth. Now a full 2 pauris have been taken out of Sikh daily practice. There are ripe complaints amongst Sikhs that the overall Panth is not united, Sikh leaders are corrupt, Sikh youth are leaving their roots, etc. This could be because some of the fundamental practices have been compromised. Bana, Bani, Simran, Seva, and Shastar were given by Guru Gobind Singh so that Sikhs could have his blessing and his spirit against all odds. Now Bana is mostly out of practice and Bani has been shortened.For the average practitioner, several Babas have made it clear that the Arril must be read. More than that, it is customary to read the Savaiye and Dohra to finish the Bani. Savaiye and Dohra are complete titles that are compiled onto Choupai from another part of the Sri Dasam Granth. This is similar to Rehiras where we have Shabads from different places in the Siri Guru Granth put together to make the Rehiras. Please note that we are not taking only parts of a complete section. The complete sections of Chaupai Sahib are as follows:
1) Kabiyo Bach Benti Chaupai
2) Arril and Chaupai (which follows Benti Chaupai as written in the Sri Dasam Granth. These short stanzas act as a conclusion to this Bani before the Zafarnama)
3) Savaiye and Dohra (compiled from an earlier section of Sri Dasam Granth)Some modern day Sikhs refute the Sri Dasam Granth for its many references to Hindu mythology. This is surprising because the Siri Guru Granth Sahib has many references of the same. So why was it cut after the 25th pauri instead of any other place? It could be because the 26th pauri references 'Jag Mata' (Mother of the World) which could be confused as Hindu goddess worship. Whereas, Guru Ji is using the Mother analogy as one of the many aspects of God. At the end of Japji Sahib, Guruji refers to 'Mata Dharat' - Mother of the World. In this instance the Guru has decided to represent God through the feminine creative aspect.
It is said that the end and beginning have the most power in any given composition. The last 2 pauris of Chaupai Sahib contain a lot of power. The first 25 pauris are asking God's blessings, and the last 2 are very affirmative of owning the blessings. In the last line Guru Gobind Singh gives his guarantee to the reader:
[Man ba(n)chhat phal pavai soee. Dukh na tisai biaapat koee. (27)
He will obtain the fruit desired by the mind (who will read or listen to this book) and no suffering will occur to him. (27)]
Let us take the Guru's blessing by keeping the seal of the last 2 pauris and experience the power that it gives.0 -
22 hours ago, BhForce said:
Bro, can you post from what line to what line they did paath of?
I saw the video on TikTok I think. It was at Wembley Stadium and I was unable to bookmark/favourite it because Tiktok decided to refresh. It was the "mainstream" Chaupai Sahib you will hear at a Singh Sabha gurdwaras, usually so-called Ramgarhia gurdwaras and also for the past 100 year or so in Harimandir Sahib under the current committee system. In other words, the sikhs who give up or quit at
ਖੜਗ ਕੇਤ ਮੈਂ ਸ਼ਰਨਿ ਤਿਹਾਰੀ ॥ ਆਪ ਹਾਥ ਦੈ ਲੇਹੁ ਉਬਾਰੀ ॥
Lord of the Almighty Sword, provides a shield for my protection. With Your Hands you have saved me.
ਸਰਬ ਠੌਰ ਮੋ ਹੋਹੁ ਸਹਾਈ ॥ ਦੁਸ਼ਟ ਦੋਖ ਤੇ ਲੇਹੁ ਬਚਾਈ ॥੪੦੧॥
You bestow help on me at all places and rescue me from pain and the designs of my demons.401.Kharag kait mai sarann tihaaree. Aap haath dai leho ubaaree. Sarab thor mo hoho sahaaee. Dustt dokh té leho bachaaee. (25) O The Lord of Sword, I seek Your protection. With Your Hands you have guarded me. At All Times be my Support. Save me from wickedness and pain. (25). 0 -
A decade later and I can show you all what the problem is. Both Khalsa Primary School and students from Pioneer Secondary Academy were invited for Vaisakhi celebrations, and they done a Chaupai Sahib paat.
The problem is, they performed the politics ridden anti-dasam Bhasauria mutilated cut version of Benti Chaupai which is disrespectful to traditional puraatan samrpadaiye and mahapurakh. If bani politics is going to be used on children to skip lines from Dasam Pita ji dhan dhan Guru Gobind Singh ji's Benti Chaupai Sahib, that certain groups think it is ok to do, then @serious guptwas right to raise concerns a decade ago!
IN 2024, when sangat is much more knowledgable about dasam bani and katha, when we have so many resources - then if we are not allowing our children to learn bani shud and let them choose their groups to follow later, then this raises RED FLAGS IN 2024!!!!
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When you are at home, you can do ardas in front of sastar as well.
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https://x.com/GurpreetSSahota/status/1809108238581051411
So far nine Sikh candidates related to Labour Party secured their seats in UK parliament and will be part of new British Government.
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Play/do gurbani, simran and keertan often, make sure you do your nitnem, use sarbloh and wear sarbloh!
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process is to find a vichola and then the vichola talks between your family and theirs. The process should be similar to how rishta is done in India side!
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No. If you read the history of Guru jis' times and even centuries later, usually marriages were done in childhood. Then when they were old enough to start their grihast jeevan partnership, the bride is brought over to her husbands's house in muklawa ceremony.
4-5 years engagement is silly. You get Anand Karaj now, and then after university she you do muklawa, that is much more in the guidelines!0 -
you need to explain that even the devtay kept their kes, and is a part of the ancestors' culture, that sikhi is also preserving the kshatriya and dharmik cultures!
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Chandu was of a higher Khatri caste than the Sodhi khatri background of Guru Arjan Dev ji. In the end, Guru Arjan rejected the rishta for Sri Hargobind with Chandu's daughter, because of Chandu's behaviour.
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Do japji sahib and ardas. Then take your children for jhoola amrit so that you can share food with them!!!
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On 12/5/2023 at 5:21 PM, Singh1989 said:
I can see this old post has popped up on feed.
I am 34 was 17 when I was blessed with Amrit. Due to my kacha (raw/ uncooked) jeevan I dwell on this; if I had not taken Amrit wouldn't I have enjoyed sex, going pubs and eating meat sometimes? All before the age of 25? Then take Amrit later on in life? And if you have indulged in such activities... ENJOY IT! Why worry about hell / heaven?
As an Amritdhari we have other responsibilities; reunion with God whilst in Grisht jeevan. But if you're Non Amritdhari why worry? JUST ENJOY!
enjoy losing control of 5 vikaara? You need to learn to do jhatka bro!!
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decided to research this online and there has been discussions about this:
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I forgot to post this during covid. This is alarming as they are trying to portay amritdharis in such a disgusting way, on a hindi drama! The act isn't being done by an amritdhari, but still a sardar type person and the amritdharis are part of the gang that is watching!
I feel like there was some anti-sikh sentiment and is dangerous as it came to air in 2020, during the big farmer kisaan andolan rallies in Delhi!
The scene is not graphic and only a few seconds, so kind of NSFW.
this is on season 1 episode 3! For context watch from 13:50-18:00https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/video/detail/B08BYZB14R/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r
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and the gatka akharas haven't improved. I saw stuff on BBC and it was embarrassing. Still teaching bhangra moves, morris dancing and I came across an infinity symbol stick move taught as a beginner move??!!