serious gupt

go meet sant baldev singh, jogewal (moga).

We once had a hefty kirtani bill once Shocked we were!!!

I haven't mentioned the langars The solution: 1) do kirtan in Punjab normal gurdwaras join sangat to guru sahib 2) come to uk (they should be allowed) but remove any bheta charge

These kirtanis live the high life Cost? There is no cost I have seen first hand they live in beautiful big houses when they come and taken around in big cars Parivaars think they guroo keh kirtani so have sharda to do seva... Most of these kirtani organisations charge big money for kirtanis, and they book like 4 diwaans a day. Let's work this out Sunday diwaan, 4 locations Bheta 250 per diwaan then stage money The can earn in excess to £2000 every Sunday. Man, I should of become a kirtani!!!! Work hard for no reason. Every1 just wants pump esp these kirtani organisations!!!

Singh sahib Giani raam singh is mr nobody, until recently when the dubious akj uk became best friends and granted him some support for his mukhi ship, Giani Harman singh dhumma was made mukhi in 2005 by some of the Singh's.

You guys are missing the point. AKJ in midlands are good guys, they STAND with the panth when comes to satkar/panthic issues etc. They see the bigger picture. AKJ London are the opposite and cultish. Ask any singh in london, they will agree. They are only open to members of their group - hence their buildings are used only for their group parchaar. Proatice brother, i think the truth has hurt you a little. Its not about version - its about narrow minds!

I saw a thread earlier on here about Khalsa Secondary School and opposition from local community. Just a questions to anyone involved and will be able to respond (and the sangat to think about), will this be another AKJ/Missionary school? It is a well known fact that the likes of Dhunda and other hardcore missionary come to the primary school in slough, it even had Ragi there when he wasn't kicked out. No well respected Kathavachak (Bhai Pinderpal Singh, Giani Jangbir Singh, Nihang Mehtab Singh etc (i.e all non AKJ's)) so many come to UK every-year or even no well known kirtani (except AKJ kirtani and bhai harjinder singh shri nagar vale) come to the primary school. It is going to be another centre for AKJ parchaar in London and their families to utilize, or will the new school be asset to the London Sikh Community or just another building making good money?

how can we read articles written by someone who has been kicked out of the panth? surely his guidance cannot b correct?? need I say more?

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Great Result this weekend, I was present throughout. The gurdwara committee, bully the Punjabi Singhs on a daily basis. Finally they made a stand for themself and their voice heard - the photo was just one issues over the years where the committee have treated them like crap and 2nd class citizens in the Guru's house. Lets not forget these veer and bhens of ours doing amazing seva of getting hundreds of kids everyweek into the gurdwara to learn punjabi and sikhi.

Interesting, If rupinder singh refused to co-operate, then how comes theres another text going around about a meeting this week, infront of 5 singh, and guru granth sahib where everything will be put infront of the sangat, guru granth and guru panth. I really do hope this ends soon - as its getting petty. The sly cats and cobras are taking full advantage of the situation. hopefully at that meeting, both related parties can present their cases to the sangat with evidence.

Few questions that need answering in order to clear up - from both sides - Machete your input would be great on this. 1) Why isnt the owner ready to sit infront of 5singh and Guru Ji. 2) Why did the mangement fail to see this comming? 3) A meeting infront of Guru Panth and Guru Granth should be held, where both sides bring in evidence, bank docs, communication that has been transferred between the two parties, also independent auditors/accountants (paid for their service, and pref non sikh) alongside 5 singh and sangat to decide the truth. 4) why are people like Mankamal (Had lots of respect for this character before - helped with satkar campaign) / mamugan getting involved and jumping on the hate bandwagon??? just to add mirch masala to the issue - they are neither the mangement or owner, don't turn up to acad neither do they do any seva @ acad - they are neither stakeholders or a shareholders in acad when it was running- so why are they out their NOW to name and shame - "to find the truth"??? - who are they to try lead a campaign against the mangement?? I remember many meetings being called, we used to come down - why were they never there? - these questions need answering, and serious thoughts. its people like these that are causing damage to sikhs in UK, and just making problems worser! I think it is VITAL for the owners perspective to be heard - it was his house on the line and i'm sure he has good legal and moral reasons for his steps. Everything said should be backed up with evidence, and should be done in a decent manner. Cats and Cobras such as mankamal, manMUGan/east ldn gurdwara committes/jathebandiya should be kept away from the situation - they are out to get either the management or the owner. What we really need is accountablity, need both sides to prevent their side in a decent manner, and people who were actual stake holders (families, national sangat as a whole) to hear the truth. Would be good to get the chnnels involved aswell.

Can the sangat please help, I was discussing with a friend the correct use of han, hai and san. could someone explain to me when it is correct to use each one of them? Thanks

Most amount of clowns on one show ever! Every single pannel member is a hyprocrit and doesn't believe in ekta. If Park Ave stage sec and slough stage sec did, then why was Dhunda called to divide the sangat? Pritpal Singh, Jaswant Randhawa, Satty all known to openly cuss taksali's to southall sangat. Congrats, Could of chose a better, non political people to represent this ekta card!

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