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Baba was given to people who were shaheed.

If you need more info on Baba Banda Singh Bahadur, read Dr. Ganda Singh's book.

No printed Saroop/Senchi/Gutka is shudh. Scholars have done decades of research that is currently being kept gupt due to the state of the Panth.

Read this comment by Singh Fauja if anyone want's a top of the iceberg explanation.

This is probably a different question, but how can we verify that historic artifacts are real? Also, how should we be preserving and handling them to keep them safe, I always find it odd the tegha is being held by bare hands instead of wearing gloves.

Raag is a musical measure, Chand is a style of poetry. No correlation there.

7 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

No savaiya and arril is in morning chaupai sahib too.

The real reason is because of different maryada of taksal and akj.

Taksal is abt tradition so they read how they were taught and their santhiya teachers were taught going back.

Akj is all abt what makes sense. So they end at kharag pauri because the bani ends their and the savaiye and arril and the other 2 pauris are from different banis and not chronilogical order.

The difference is called shoti and vaddi rehraas sahib. At akal takhat they read the shoti rehraas sahib and during sant jarnail singh times, when taksal took over akaal takhat, singhs tried to do full/vaddi rehraas but santji stopped them from enforcing their views. 

Also u can google it, theres been huge debates abt it in the past on this and akj forums. 

From my experience, AKJ usually have a bit longer Rehraas than SGPC, but shorter than Taksal and Budha Dal.

1 hour ago, Redoptics said:

I know but what i said was, there is a lot of information gone astray because of those missing parts, example where Guru Ji says he does not believe in Ram, Rahim, Puranas, Quran , only Vaheguru.

Those are read in Rehraas, but not in morning Nitnem (unless one wants to, its their choice to read more Baani).

They end after (ਦੁਸਟ ਦੋਖ ਤੇ ਲੇਹੁ ਬਚਾਈ ॥੪੦੧॥) because after this, Guru Sahib ends the Benti and now thanks Akaal Purakh for completing the Granth (Charitropakyan).

I personally think its fine to read the last 2 Pauris (ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰੀ ਹਮ ਪਰ ਜਗਮਾਤਾ ॥ and ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਸਿਧੁਜ ਜਬ ਭਏ ਦਯਾਲਾ ॥) and the Arril (ਸੁਨੈ ਗੁੰਗ ਜੋ ਯਾਹਿ ਸੁ ਰਸਨਾ ਪਾਵਈ ॥), but I do not see why the Choupai after that one (ਸੰਬਤ ਸਤ੍ਰਹ ਸਹਸ ਭਣਿਜੈ ॥) needs to read.

This choupai is literally just mentioning the date and location where the Granth was completed. It makes sense if someone was doing Paath of the whole Charitropakyan granth, but not when doing Benti Chaupai.

3 hours ago, puzzled said:

Are your family from pind jindowal ?

No, they are from Banga.

Here is a view from our House in Banga, Punjab.

On 7/8/2018 at 4:03 PM, S1ngh said:

Instead he gave huge cut to corporate folks.

Due to his tax cuts, our middle class family paid less on taxes.

In my opinion, with the buzzwords aside, he is doing a OK job. The only thing I think is bad about him are his annoying tweets and his immoral character.

On 4/13/2019 at 3:33 PM, puzzled said:

i like watching ben shaprio vids too  iv subscribed to his channel lol     milo yiannopoulos is a jew as well, hes gay but has good vids too  hes funny 

even atheists like richard dawkins is interesting to listen too    hes actually agnostic 

you dont have to agree with someone to find them interesting to listen to lol   ben shaprios jewish idea of god is just very distant and far,  didn't like it 

I only watch Shapiro to find what masala is happening in politics, otherwise there are better intellectuals to watch.

Milo is a dead meme, he is a provocateur and has no substance.

On 4/7/2019 at 10:21 PM, BhForce said:

This Taksali Singh denounces the Babas that demolished the Deori and the SPGC that allowed him to do so. He also says that it's the normal operating procedure of the SGPC to do something like this, then when the Sangat cries out, they "suspends" a manager or transfers him someplace to placate the Sangat. All lies.

He also says the Babas hands should be smashed. Finally that every modification of a historical building should be published in the newspapers in advance.

With the recent replacing of the Door of the Sri Harmandir Sahib Darshani Deori and now this incident, hopefully it will stop.

They all denounce it now because it has been made public and majority of the Panth is against them. These Kar Sevaks have been under with SGPC for over 4 decades now destroying our heritage, but these guys never said a word. Where was Dhumma (who has a large influence in SGPC in the past decade) when these decisions were made?

This is SGPC's fault, they authorized these Kar Sevaks to do the damage they did. The SGPC is frantically trying to fix its image by blaming the Babas, but reality is that the blame goes on them. The Kar Seva Babas are just contractors.

This Gurdwara is where my Parents and Grandparents used to go as they originally came from Banga.

While the land for the Gurdwara was given by Maharaja Ranjit Singh, the building itself was built in the 1920's I think.

He is Vaishnav from what I've read.

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

I'm pretty sure the forts of anandpur sahib were constructed by guru ji as well yet these babeh demolished them. 

2 hours ago, Singh1989 said:

Don't get me wrong... If this sort o thing happened to Darbar Sahib or Hazoor Sahib then yes, I'd b infuriated too! However, 2 things. 1. These 2 will never ever be demolished. 2. Everything not constructed by Guru Sahibs themselves will be demolished.

It's natural to construct and demolish - eh t chaldey rehnda.

 

I posted a photo earlier of some guy destroying the Original Sri Akal Takht Sahib that was built by Guru Sahib, people do this type of stuff.

2 minutes ago, puzzled said:

there were so many tree!    they cut them all down, i guess they cut them down when they razed all the bungas down.  

There seems to be many trees right outside the complex.

3 minutes ago, puzzled said:

i dont understand this obsession with marble!  i think its a recent thing because old gurdwareh were simple brick structures.  Thats why the beris at harmandir sahib started dying because they choked them with marble. During maharja ranjit singhs time the parkarma of harmandir sahib was actually bricks, only the parkarma outside akal takt was marble the rest was all bricks. 

 

here look you can see only one side of the parkarma is white, which is the marble.  rest was all bricks, notice how many trees there were 

Look here:

http://dailysikhupdates.com/collection-rare-pictures-sri-harmandir-sahib-ji/

http://karsewatarntaran.com/karsewa.aspx?SewaId=7&Sewa=Completed

Look the first photo of the tree. How is that tree going to survive!!?!?!

So many Historical trees have died because they literally choked the tree roots with marble.

2 minutes ago, puzzled said:

this same person has been pakistan and done kar sewa on the gurdware there too,  but from his website it looks like he just painted the original structures,  lets hope he dont go there next and start demolishing them ...

 

Yea, some of them they just plated the original building with marble and painted them. Thats fine, but I never understood them knocking down the whole building, even if it is structurally unsound. They should be hiring experts to preserve them.

6 minutes ago, puzzled said:

bibi nanki jis house which was completely razed down by these babeh

 

 

and the ugly building they replaced it with

If they were proper civil engineers and architects, they could have a plan to build on top of the original building and solidify it. Then expose parts of the original historical building (and maybe cover with glass for protection) to show sangat.

But nope, lets just let Kar Seva babay knock it down and rebuild.

Just now, puzzled said:

everyone needs to wake up and know what these people are doing to these historical places. they are not just "buildings"  they are our history 

My hope lies in Pakistan, where Gurdwaras are still have been mostly left untouched ever since partition. While a few Gurdwaras have crumbled and gone away, there are many that are have no one looking after them but are still standing.

I want to see real Civil Engineers and architects restore these Gurdwaras without knocking anything down.

It's good to see people are now FINALLY waking up to what these Kar Seva Babas (which SGPC gave permission) have done.

Here are a few pictures of Anandpur Sahib (Qila Anandgarh Sahib):

Old:

New: (notice the similarities, keep in mind the angle is a bit different)

There is hope, look at the original brick work exposed.