GuestSikh06

18 hours ago, GuestKaur2 said:

Yeah there is a part where you can speak to Vaheguru Ji, Its when you say Sache Pita Vaheguru Ji Aap de Hazur...(whatever you want to say) At that time you can say what prayer you just did too. Although you don't really need to because Vaheguru Ji knows everyone's inner thoughts anyway. 

This is probably the worst explanation ever but hoped it helped  

Thank you, it's great!! The problem is, wherever I go to find Ardaas there's always different variations and I just don't know which one's supposed to be the correct one. At the moment, I'm using the one from RajKaregaKhalsa website with different colours, I've stopped using my red velvet Nitnem book for Ardaas. 

13 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

GuestSikh06 Jee,

better do not ask any wishes to Him, for does not the Bani say: Bin boliya, sabh kich jaanda.

Let us ask ourselves: If He, whom we ask for things, has the power to give, has He not the power to know what we want?

It is something to think about seriously.  

So, if we ever even wanto ask Him for something, let us ask for Him, from Him.

For only by having Him, we shall need nothing. While by not having Him,  our greedy mind will keep on asking again and again,  and our desires shall never diminish, thus these very desires will keep us entraped in the wheel of births and deaths.

And to avoid all that suffering and pain, let us see what Guru Jee tells us in the following 2 verses.

ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਕਰਹੁ ਦਇਆ ਮੇਰੇ ਸਾਈ ॥

Thumh Karahu Dhaeiaa Maerae Saaee ||

ਐਸੀ ਮਤਿ ਦੀਜੈ ਮੇਰੇ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਤੁਧੁ ਧਿਆਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Aisee Math Dheejai Maerae Thaakur Sadhaa Sadhaa Thudhh Dhhiaaee 

Here Guru tells us to ask Him for His blessings,in order to be able to meditate on Him, for He is only realized by meditating upon Him, no other karam kaand will ever bring us closer to Him, or in the end to merge and become one with Him.

 

Guru Jee´s wisdom has to be faithfully applied as ointmnent on our mental eyes, only then can our spiritual sight can be restored to have His Darshan.

 

Stay blessed.

Sat Sree Akal.

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Wow... I have no words, this is very philosophical I like your thought process. I will definitely think about this daily,  when I was younger I had darshan of Guru Gobind Singh Ji in my dream. I had a bad dream and all I remember was I prayed and  we were in the sky at lightning speed with different colours and I woke up in a flash. I would love to have darshan of Guru Nanak I pray to him a lot. 

Hi I'm back after a long time, I wanna know so when I'm doing my Ardaas is there a part where I speak to God for my wishes and to explain the purpose of this Ardaas. Please, someone, help me and write the line in English Punjabi,

Thank you.  

On 11/27/2018 at 7:37 PM, Singh1989 said:

Kaka Ji! Don't forget to study/ revise as well. Example, Henry I became king in which year? You can do all d paat in d world but you need to turn to History book for the answer. Good luck.

Haha of course, I’m doing this for my yaadshakti I’m going to continue studying with Gods grace and thank you. 

I will keep you guys updated on this paath. One thing I can say is, that my focus is still bad I've got other things on mind that stress me out and I keep on getting up and going back and forth instead of focusing on studies. 

On 11/24/2018 at 11:06 PM, puzzled said:

My family in India go to baba vadbagh singhs gurdwara dera sahib in india. One year while in India we went as well. In our family its a tradition that after a baby is born or after a new bride has got married into the family we go to dera sahib. So after my cousins wedding we went and i saw these possessed ladies there! there were around 5 or 6 of them and they were sitting on the floor and spinning their heads round really fast! there hair was out and was going everywhere. then they would stop and breath and snort really heavily and start again. one snapped out of it and became normal. It was really weird, there was this baba chanting some mantras to them. I was told they are possessed and the baba is taking the evil spirit out of them lol. but yeah   strange stuff .... 

loads of possessed people go to babas gurdwara. They leave their old clothes there and we are not supposed to touch the clothes, its actually really scary! loads of strings and malas thrown everywhere on the floor that you are supposed to not touch. Lots of mountains there as well as its in himachal. my nani wouldn't let me go up the mountains because she said people leave lots of jadu tuna there also after the people have become free of the spirits that possessed them the babas send the spirits to the mountains     so i wasnt allowed to wounder around. very creepy place! it had this eerie atmosphere  

I've been to the Baba Vadhbag Singh Ji Gurdwara in Coventry... loads of weird happenings in the darbar hall I can say. But not many people visit that one as there's another Gurdwara adjacent to it. I normally visit the Ramgharia Gurdwara whenever I'd visit my cousins. In India, my relatives do the same thing for a baby boy, they go to the Dera and do the hair cutting ceremony (which I have no idea about). I can agree there's more of a chance of getting possessed there than actually helping the possessed as it's so dangerous and everything's scattered everywhere.  So many people are against this but it's a matter of life and death for some. There's a similar temple Hindus go to it's a Hanuman temple and it accumulates a lot of negative energy due to loads of people visiting to get rid of there spiritual possessions, I'm very interested in this stuff as its mysterious yet interesting within limits  

Those strings attached have Shabri mantars (like Hindu ones) so there very dangerous as they backfire but they get the work done very fast in Kaljug and have no lock on shakti. Baba Vadhbag formulated many Shabri prayers (very long prayers I may even have one lying in my house) as well as Guru Goraknath, Baba Balaknath and all the other nath panth... even including my village Guru (again I don't know details on how he can be my Guru) lol. But you won't find these mantars on the internet anywhere they're rare to find. 

14 minutes ago, APEY13 said:

Yeah but how ? A random body cant just pass away at the age 31and in 40s right ?

I mean ill appreciate if you know any author who has addressed this topic in their book... 

There are obviously stories behind them, to be honest, I learnt most of my stuff in religious studies classes and not really from my parents who are Sikh. 

4 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

bro I'm not being rude , but I have had the experience of another gay sikh twisting and inserting words to justify lifestyle ...didn't want anyone go down that line because it is dangerous for that person's future happiness. Guru ji treated Kauda a cannibal just the same as Sajjan thug  same as all the others who wanted his kirpa.

Oh ok, that's fine I guess, but just remember that everyone's different, there are God knows how many Sikhs in this world and I'm only 18 at the moment so I've got a long way to go (to even think about that kind of stuff frankly)... 

10 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

but then again this sufi was not active but waiting on Akal Purakh's mehr while he was doing bhagti ...please try not to put words in Guru ji's mouth he has told us what is our path . Akal Purakh ji sees our hearts and actions Akal Purakh is not for/against anyone , neutral thus Guru ji is neutral towards paapi and punni , he does kirpa on all according to our karams .

First of all, those are not my own words. 

Second of all, it's for educational purposes ''for people interested''.

No more and no less, and this was not related to marriage it's an interesting story especially because today is Gurpurab and my thoughts are on Guru Nanak. There's no part of me ''putting words into Guru Ji's mouth'' how rude of you?!

Hi Sangat, I came across this and found it very interesting if anyone’s interested below: 

2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

a 'beard' is the term used for a sham marriage to hide a gay man's or gay woman's from the general people so what you described just now .

Oh thank you, that's such a weird term but yes these things happen way too often  

4 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

those which are business transactions I guess such as beards to hide truth of gay man, passport based weddings

I meant when 2 LGBT people get married undercover as man-woman for the happiness of there family and in-laws. What you are implying is a sham marriage. By the way sorry, what does ''beards to hide truth of gay man'' mean?

@Not2Cool2ArgueI think this answers it maybe  

11 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

no its really good u r praying in panjabi. also do learn panjabi, it will help u understand gurbani. english translations r good. but when u can understand gurbani, its more beautiful, more personal like Guruji speaking directly to u. also things sound better in panjabi, more formal yet more real

Thank you for motivating me!

6 hours ago, namespace said:

Energies in the gurdw-.  There is no spiritual energy other than Waheguru himself!  He isn't even "energy", it's just that is a term we as humans created which our pathetic minds can use to try to explain what he is.  Why do you have faith of this nonsense, this hocus pocus superstitious BS from cartoons and primitive beliefs.  I'm not so much offended but angry.  People having some idea in their mind there is other sh!t going on anywhere but natural life and Waheguru...man I'm such a bloody sinner, I get all this anger.

I'm so sorry I made you angry, I mean even I was confused about this theoretically I totally believe the energy is Waheguru himself but I wouldn't eliminate other energies such as gossip, jealousy, backchat energies that are in the Gurdwara forgive me and I wholeheartedly believe this story because it happened within my own family  

^^I should rephrase that to Punjabi tantar mantar as opposed to Sikh tantar mantar sorry  

5 minutes ago, lostconfussedsingh said:

Wow thanks for sharing this. Never knew that this sort of stuff happens in the gurdwara flip flops 

Honestly, I didn't know that could happen. I thought the energies would vanish in the premises of the Gurdwara (sorry if that's offensive to anyone). That's why I've been told to never take food from anyone because they can mix urine, period blood, ashes and even spit into it and what not and put some spell. It's crazy how this stuff happens but I'll never know the mechanisms around them. I think most of the black magic stuff is either Hindu or Muslim tantar mantar. I'm so grateful it's limited in Sikhism not saying it's not there.. but you certainly won't find the stuff online you'd have to go elsewhere in Punjab. 

Hi, I've personally had black magic effect me and my family as well as quite a few of my cousins. 

Me and my family: We had a muslim tantar black magic dug into our tree outside of our house. There's a Sikh Gianni from Kenya whom I know for a fact has some ridh sidh nau nidh type energies with him as he's predicted deaths, illnesses and all that jazz. He used a coconut with nothing inside it, did Ardas quite a few times actually, placed the coconut in the garden then brang it inside and opened it. Me and my family were in a circle and all shocked... I was only 14 when this happened I believe. It had weird looking coins (kind of like 1p look-a-likes) along with all types of daal, multi-coloured threads, Urdu writings. We disposed of it in a river and was told not to look back coming home. The thing that shocked us to our core was we were told a Singh actually placed the magic before we moved into the house along with a Muslim lady in a burka so he couldn't identify her in his mind... I didn't sleep for a week. In terms of bad effects, my dad was a hardcore druggie/alcoholic, he committed adultery against my mum and my mum had a miscarriage before me (I nearly died in the womb too, thank God I'm alive). I used to see this weird hood like black figure in my mum's room (parents did not sleep together) but it went away after Baba cleared the house of the dull energies so grateful. I also would see white ghosts (kind of like Ghostbusters not a lie at all) fly around my room at night. I was also very undereducated and lost 99% of my focus and was essentially in my own world half of the time. 

My dad also once kicked a piece of raw meat he found on the road, this was back in the day and it's caused a lot of chaos (don't know the details have never asked him and never will). I actually see loads of pieces of meat myself nowadays whenever I go to an asian dominated area.

Cousin 1: This takes place in the Gurdwara.. yes you heard me right! My cousins had lost their shoes in the Gurdwara (presuming they got stolen) so they wore somebody's flipflops (a Southall Gurdwara). So when Baba broke the coconut (at there house) open blood oozed out and he saw that somebody put black magic on those slippers and placed them in the Gurdwara so they would never find husbands and never find success. They're both in there 40's now but ones married. 

Cousin 2: This one's a little more intense and I know most won't believe me, even I don't believe this one because I didn't witness it. So the Baba instead of using a coconut used a red cloth and placed some stuff in, did his paath and when he opened it steamy black fumes were coming out, words were coming out, weird objects never seen in the house came out and other stuff (wish I knew it fully). 

Cousin 3: One of my cousins actually lives in a wealthy area so it's not normal for people to visit these kinds of places. So a lady came to the house with a buggy.. presuming she was holding a baby but in fact, they were some black magic articles who knew? At her front door the lady spilled red kumkum sindoor (presuming its energised with bad energies), and had some kind of solution in a pasta jar type thing and poured it all over the cars and left some other weird stuff like a lemon with chillies (I thought that was supposed to clear away the bad energies, oh well). They saw it on CCTV and came to know it was actually her maid who used to do shifts at her house but she stopped for some reason before this. 

The moral of the story is that if it personally happens to you that's the only time you'll fully believe in these kinds of left-hand energies. And the scenario will always be different so please don't judge because some have been through so much mental trauma it's ridiculous, but don't fear these energies, God knows without my mums daily input in her paath where we would be, I don't even think I would have survived with the way my dad was but that's a story for another day. I'm in such a happy place now and my dad's my best friend. 

1 hour ago, puzzled said:

yes brother, our creator exists within everyone, just because someone has a different orientation does not mean that waheguru has a lesser or smaller presence within him. Homosexual people have to control their lust just like heterosexual people do, at the end of the day lust for flesh is still lust regardless of gender. Our body is a like a shrine which houses gods presence within, that's why its important to respect our bodies.This can be hard because as people we are vain and like to look nice and are sexual beings so we look at others lustfully.  what i mean by bending maryada is how people are now changing anand karaj maryada to suit them, interfaith anand karaj is one example, and just like that i don't agree with gay anand karaj because that too is bending maryada to suit them.

i just don't agree with young primary school kids being being introduced to different sexual preferences, they are innocent little children. children at that age don't even know what sex is let alone corrupt their little minds and introduce them to different sexualities. instead its better teaching them about equality of different races etc    they are only little kids. 

but yeah i guess at secondary level they can be educated about different lifestyles etc but when it comes to taking part in parades and stuff then it should be the parents choice. 

i hope i haven't offended you in any way ...

1st paragraph: Yes I totally agree with the lust stuff and especially with social media being on the rise it's hard to not portray and conduct ourselves in an appropriate manner (meaning we're becoming vain as the days go by). Wouldn't you say it's the Gurdwara committee members/Giannis fault who are helping conduct the marriage? The couple simply would be going there to get married so on and so forth.

2nd paragraph: Looking into the whole sex education thing, I remember in primary school we were shown an animated video on intercourse and some of the kids after that came across some inappropriate animated videos which I'm guessing some of you might have an idea of that. And yes, it was in that time frame where everyone started to explore stuff if they had the access. I thought you meant that being LGBT was filth in the first place?! I actually had a secondary sex education as well where they actually brought stuff in to demonstrate what goes on, but I didn't have my own laptop or phone to actually explore more so I guess I'm so lucky in terms of that. Trust me when I say this, in 20 years time the focus won't even be on Gay people only God knows what other orientations there are in any shape or form (even being Gay I'm saying this!!!). 

No offence taken lol, I try to stay humble when it comes to topics like this because it's one of those things you'd only understand if you were actually LGBT, so some opinions don't phase me but religion is important to me. If someone offends me, I tell them ''If God is inside everyone, then why should you stretch that extra mile in hurting someone'' (in other words you hurt a part of God, very philosophical if I say so myself  ). Then again I'm only 18 so I've got loads more to learn and I'm willing to learn with a positive mind frame!!

Apart from marriages in a Gurdwara, I don't believe in marriages in convenience, forced marriages, honour killings against LGBT people, bashings, beatings of any nature in the name of izzat etc. 

1 hour ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

For the ardaas you can say ' Aap ji di kirpa de naal, es shabad de 21 paath kite han. Eh paath changi pardai vaste kite han. App ji ne kirpa karni, vidhia ate pardhai da daan bakhshana. Jo pardha oh samaj aave te emtihaan vich madid hove. Kirpa karni ke panjabi bolni aa jaave. '

Translation: with ur grace, 21 recitations have been done of this shabad. This recitation wa done for a good education. Please bless me with the gift of knowlege and education. Whatever I may read, may i understand and may it help.me on my exams. Also bless.me that i can come to speak panjabi. 

I didnt add the 5 paaths, because i think the instructions say to do those when u r abt to open ur books. Like just mentally recite them 5x. And say mentally may my studying be fruiful and my attention remain fixed on studying : 'pardhai safal hovai, chit lagaa rehe'Like a quick silent prayer sitting at ur desk. Then begin. 

Also God understands english. So its really good that u r  saying it in panjabi. After saying it in panjabi, say it again in english in ur own words so u can say it from ur heart. And in case u didnt say it right in panjabi, it wont matter if u repeat it in english. 

Thank you, one of my aunties used to tell me in Punjabi 'learn Punjabi so that you can communicate with Guru Nanak' I think in that context she meant Waheguru, but it's good you cleared that up for me  

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

Here's a quick literal interpretation:

"By doing this shabad 21 times everyday, vidiya becomes very much achieved (prapith). At the start (arumbh) of reading (parhnee) the vidya do 5 paats of this shabad and then do an ardaas that the studying be propitious[?] (shub) and for the mental faculties (chit) to remain attached [to the endeavour]. "

 

Where is this from? 

Hi, thank you Dally it means a lot. It's an iPhone app called 'Sankat Mochan' with an orange icon. I also have the paaths in book form that my grandma used to keep alongside her malas.

By the way, I forgot to mention, there's this great website to learn about LGBT Sikhs the website is: fateh.info hope it helps anyone. 

42 minutes ago, puzzled said:

I have nothing against homosexual people, what i don't like is when people bend maryada and tradition to suit their needs. Your faith is between you and waheguru, the fact that you are gay does not make your relationship any weaker with waheguru. 

And i also don't agree with how innocent primary school kids are being paraded around in gay pride events organized by the school. 

Hi, I like your opinion on the fact that it's the connection between you and Waheguru and that an orientation does not depend on the likelihood of that relationship. When you talk about people bending maryada, do you mean Gursikh LGBT people? I'm sorry I'm just a bit confused about that. And, what made you think that education on Gay rights takes the innocence out of children, I genuinely would love to know why just to understand. In my opinion, it would broaden the child's knowledge of the types of people in this world against any bias. It's also to create a safe space for let's say an LGBT child so that they know they feel welcomed because it's not necessarily an easy thing to deal with by yourself. However, If parents do get upset about this there should be a letter to ask for permission for this kind of education (personal preference), I just think it'd confuse the child even more frankly speaking lol. I know for a fact I'd loved to learn about things like this, as I grew up homophobic until I actually realised I was Gay, that was a big game changer for me      

Hi happy Gurpurab, I logged into this especially to see if I had any replies for my thread but not as of now. I really want to know soon about how to do it, so I can do it every day.

Thank you.  

10 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

it's not that we hate it , but we hate the idea that the people have zero intention to follow the Guru and do a sham of Anand Karaj  much like those atheist/other faith people . it's insulting frankly, better to go get a court marriage .

Hi, I totally agree with that likewise, everyone has different patterns of thinking. I don’t think I’ll ever think to get married at a Gurdwara, it’s insulting. What I do have a problem is, if someone stops an LGBT person from entering a Gurdwara for prayer (suppose it happens). I’m quite strong when it comes to my relationship with Waheguru and I feel like I have moderate lust. But I notice some people I’ve met whom say Gay people are hyper sexual, my opinion to that is they’re in denial of there sexuality and need professional help. This is so interesting, because I’d never have thought this Sikh forum would touch such a topic

As a Gay person myself, I would follow the point of a marriage being between a man-woman in a Gurdwara and fully respect that in context. In terms of LGBT people being lustful/sinful, it all depends on your own thoughts on the situation. For example, say if you met me and you came to know I was Gay from my own words, then If you think I'm sinful then all you'll see me is being a sinful individual. At the end of the day for me personally, it's limited to an orientation rather than a lifestyle because it's part of my own build-up and I don't need to push it onto anyone because it's a personal matter that I should only reflect on myself. When it comes to situations about it being in a Gurdwara then I can agree it becomes an issue. I would love to answer any questions and I'm sorry for offending anyone on here as I've noticed some people simply despise it.