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Sangatji what's everyones views on taking Maharaj to and from the Gurdwara to a paath at someones house? And what's the correct  Marayada?

I've always understood Maharaj needs to be accompanied by 5 Amritdhari Singhs at all times with and Ardas before leaving and then again when returning at the Gurdwara and same for arriving and leaving the destination. 

However, sadly, it seems some ppl have become relaxed about this and I've heard ppl mention they have seen instances of only 3 or 4 singhs, or even just only 2 taking Maharaj. 

If anyone can share the correct protocol/marayada that would be great aswell. Seems like awareness is needed around this issue.

 

2 hours ago, FreshMind13 said:

The symbol is called a Yakash. It is a ਪੈਰ ਯੱਯਾ, older version of half ਯੱਯਾ "੍ਯ". In handwritten birhs, this used to be of a hook shape and font makers blindly copied. However it seems STTM is using an updated font that shows this ਚਿੰਨ੍ਹ properly.

The uchaaran is: ਕਲਿਅੁਚਰੈ (Think of it as ਕਲ੍ਯੁਚਰੈ)

Another example is:

Uchaaran would be ਲਖਿਅਣ

You add a sihari " ਿ " to the base akhar and then add an "ਅ" after it in ucharan.

Thanks so much for this explanation

Maybe you need to spend sometime thinking about what sikhi is for you. Sometimes this creates a stronger foundation and gives purpose to what your doing and why  ie why do nitnem, why wear kakkars, what is gurbani teaching us, what is life?

 A bit of soul searching, why you need a Guru, what does following his path do for you. It will help to have some good sikh sangat to help you along the way. Also start doing seva regularly. 

I'd say you should go before the Panj piyare at the next Amrit sanchar, whilst you realise your mistake and changed your ways as you say. You would benefit from their advice and give closure to any regret your carrying of wrong doing etc.

Thanks so much

Interesting to hear your views Singho.

I recall the panj Piyare specifically  stress the requirement for a kirpan on a gatra to be worn at all times ('gatray wali kirpan') and could not be on a dori or worn as a necklace etc, and not to be kept in kesh. They did say wearing additional shashters to this was fine. 

I think this had stuck in my mind as in the lead up to Amrit, due to work and wearing a kirpan under a shirt I started off with a gatra worn as normal under shirt but it would stick out. Then id put the gatra around both shoulders so the kirpan would neatly tuck under the arm , then I was looking for other holsters etc so I could wear something bigger but keep it concealed, like wear at belt level and it had crossed my mind too whether gatra was required at all. So was interesting the Panj said that when I took Amrit. Otherwise I may have swayed a diff way personally.

 

I agree perhaps back in the day shaster were traditionally in a kamar kassa, but actually it may not have been unusual for there to have been a gatra of some sort/form, as practically if you want to keep a large shaster on your person and travel, say on horse back or doing seva, then a gatra would have also been useful to hold a long kirpan across the body as it may be awkward in a kammar kassa in certain  positions. So may have been a combination of ways to carry weapons. Even both ways, on a gatra and tucked in a kammar kassa.

Ultimately the gatra ensures the kirpan stays on your person at all times.

 

Below is a quote from the taksaal marayada.

"3.10.4. Kirpan – Sword of Mercy

ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਣ ਪਾਣ ਧਾਰੀਯੰ ॥ ਕਰੋਰ ਪਾਪ ਟਾਰੀਯੰ ॥

"The mark of a Khalsa is one who holds a Kirpan in hand,

by the wearing of which millions of sins are abolished."

Sri Dasam Granth Ang 42

The Kirpan is there to protect the poor and for self-defence. With patience and mercy, the Kirpan is to be used as a sword to destroy oppression. The Kirpan is to always be in a gatra and never to be removed from the body. The Kirpan protects us from hidden and seen enemies.  The Kirpan is a weapon to protect the whole body, as a minimum it should be nine inches in length.  Keeping the Kirpan in a Kangha, in the Kesh and putting it on a string around the neck like a Janeoo, are against the Rehat and forbidden.

ਸ਼ਸਤਰ ਹੀਨ ਕਬਹੂ ਨਹਿ ਹੋਈ, ਰਹਿਤਵੰਤ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੋਈ ॥

"Those who never depart his/her arms, they are the Khalsa with excellent conduct."

Rehatnama Bhai Desa Singh Jee, p.148

You are never to walk over your Kirpan or other weapons. When washing your Kesh, the Kangha is to be tied to your Kirpan and the Kirpan tied around your waist. When bathing, your Kirpan is to be tied around your head and not tucked into the Kashara as this dishonours your Kirpan. When women bathe they are to tie their dupata on their head and then their Kirpan.

When going to sleep your Kirpan is not to be removed from your body.

The Kirpan is only to be used for two things. Firstly, to give Guru Jee’s blessing to freshly prepared Karah Prasad or for langar. Secondly, in order to destroy tyrants and oppressors. It must never be used for anything else.

If the Kangha, Kara or Kirpan are separated from your body, you are forbidden to eat or drink until they are replaced. Upon the replacement of your missing Kakkar, Japjee Sahib is to be recited and an Ardas must be performed for the seperation and to beg for forgiveness. The Ardas may be performed either in a Gurdwara or the place where you are replacing your Kakkar. Having done this, you may eat and drink."

Personally I beleive all the bhagats like bhagat kabir and sheikh fareed and many others who arent mentioned  in gurbani all go to Sach Khand. It's not a sikh only venue.

It's easy for ppl to manipulate a tuk of gurbani to sway it and justify their argument because gurbani is so deep and each tuk can have so many meanings. Whilst I dont have a shabad to hand I do think we need an open mind on this.

I heard someone mention an anecdote in a katha that 'Nanak Naam Jahaj Hai', gursikhs (if truly on the path I suppose) travel on the path of Nanak which is like a plane, other paths may be like travelling  that distance on foot, on a bike, in a car with many more obstacles and much longer. 

Not sure if this is the right way to see it.

Also if Bhai Khaniya could see God in all , even the enemy then we perhaps cant condemn others from reaching sach Khand for being on a different path.

Those whose actions are bad are unlikely to go to Sach Khand whether sikh or not.

On 2/19/2021 at 1:18 PM, Guest anonymous said:

VJKK VJKF Ji,

Guru Saheb blessed me amrit di daat some 8 9 year ago. I had been doing naam bani but unfortunately, couple of years back I shift to new place and I got involved with the group of people who apparently been doing sangat but had crushed me with false allegations. I can't go to clubs and pubs to make new friends. It is only sangat where I can find gursikhs, but they threw me out very badly. I was very broken as I never expected someone doing religious rituals and renowned for gursikhi to turn out to be such an evil. During this hard time I lost my regular nitnem and then it was just as a matter of doing it to fulfill the requirement. 

During this a girl contact me for which my family was looking for a relationship, I got so much involved with her and ended up in bajar kureht. I got married to her then. I am afraid even if I married her only will this be still a bajar kureht?

I accept I am bad and did bad please dont scold me sangat ji I am already broken. I fold my hands to you please don't hate me I wish to revive and be of any use to panth. I am very loonely and heartbroken. 

Thank you for taking time to read this.

May guru saheb bless you.

So are you married to her now? Just unclear why your saying lonely and heartbroken is that due to the sangat situation?

For the kurheit before you married, I would suggest you both go to the Amrit Sanchar and explain to the Panj Piyare. And follow  any instruction  given.

With regards to sangat, do some volunteering or an activity you enjoy. Do seva wherever you can and you will find new sangat over time. The worlds a big place, if you didn't get on with some ppl it's no big deal move on. 

No ones 'scolding' or judging you here. It sounds like you made mistakes and you realise it, perhaps its weighing down on you. Only you can control your actions, we cant really ever blame anyone else for our deeds.

Try talking to someone about any issues. Your wife for starters? Maybe family, cousins, friends.

Theres alot of free mental health lines you can  reach out to. It may be difficult  but if your struggling reach out to them and get help.

Sikhnet.com 

1 hour ago, Singh1989 said:

According to Guru Nanak Ji to a peer, "Hell and Heaven is a state of mind. Not a Geographic location." 

SGGS states "Jamdoot come and beat up paapis/ Nirguras. Wine and fish eaters go to hell" etc. Also, hell is fire Heaven is freedom, joy, Sukhi saans. 

My opinions. Apparently, God is also known as "Upperwale" (Being up there). So if Heaven is up and hell is down (according to tradition) we need to think, what is up? Space, stars! No gravity. Sounds like all the good / religious folks do become stars after death! Of course not the case but what else is up? 

Now, lets focus on down... Core of the Earth, Heat! Lava! Hot n scary items. Interestingly we humans may die before getting towards the Earth's core and we cannot reach the nearest star in a single life... (Ok, we should forget about stars). Simply, my opinion is (taking into SGGS account) Hell is Core of the Earth and... IDK where Sachkhand is but must be obviously some place nice. So, core of the Earth is where all the paapi souls are imprisoned n tortured. 

According to Guru Nanak Ji live a life where you live life a true hermit. In God's will. By doing so the mind itself becomes like Heaven. Hell and Heaven is a state of mind. Heaven too is, sadly, a Maya (groan) the truest place is with God in His Darbaar. 

 

 

I suppose the opinion  is based solely on what you see with these physical eyes. Quantum physics suggest we see very little of what's around us with our eyes. What if theres more 'up there's and 'down there' that can be perceived by our eyes and further more that can be comprehended by our mind. 

Also I suppose our mind is shrouded by maya so can we really perceive what is the true reality?

It's so complex both are true. But I do beleive Guruji is trying to disgard the idea of heaven as somewhere to meet God later, they taught us to achieve the union in this life. This is perhaps why Bhagat Kabir ji stressed the hypocrisy  of faiths which focused on the heaven and hell in the wrong way. So were trying to dispel ideas around God being out of reach etc. 

So the state of mind can be it. Our experience  here can be it. As Gurbani says everything  is within us. Equally the realms and 5 Khands exist in dimensions different to ours. 

Alot of missionaries like to go with the fixed opinion that theres no heaven and hell  'it's all in the mind's . But I think reality is theres no one answer. We can rely on True Brahmgyanis and there experiences and our Khoj of Gurbani

While Guruji says

ਤਹਾਬੈਕੁੰਠੁਜਹਕੀਰਤਨੁਤੇਰਾਤੂੰਆਪੇਸਰਧਾਲਾਇਹਿ॥੨॥
“That place is heaven, where the Lord’s Praises are sung. You Yourself instill faith into us. ||2||”
(Ang 749)

they also say 

ਜਿਤਨੇ ਨਰਕ ਸੇ ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਭੋਗੈ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਲੇਪੁ ਨ ਮਾਸਾ ਹੇ ||੧੨||
As many hells there are, Manmukhs suffer through them all but Gurmukh don’t experience hell even one bit.

Go see a therapist and let your wife use the kitchen in the house. And your mum, if she won't listen then not alot you can do about that....but if she cant hear then buy a hearing aid?

A couple of interesting  quotes as other have mentioned.

The Shabad is the Naad which is sewn into all creation.

ਸਭਿ ਨਾਦ ਬੇਦ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ॥

Sabh Naadh Baedh Gurabaanee ||

Gurbani is the sound current of the Naad, the Vedas, everything.

 

ਭੁਗਤਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ  ਦਇਆ ਭੰਡਾਰਣਿ   ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਵਾਜਹਿ ਨਾਦ॥
bhugat giaan   da-i-aa bhaňdaaraṇ   ghaṭ  ghaṭ vaajahi naad.
(For the divine-centred people) wisdom is the food, compassion is the distributor of this food, and recognition of the unstruck melody within every heart is the sound (naad). 

 

ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

Raamakalee Mehalaa 5 ||

Raamkalee, Fifth Mehl:

ਪੰਚ ਸਬਦ ਤਹ ਪੂਰਨ ਨਾਦ ॥

Panch Sabadh Theh Pooran Naadh ||

The Panch Shabad, the five primal sounds, echo the perfect sound current of the Naad.

ਅਨਹਦ ਬਾਜੇ ਅਚਰਜ ਬਿਸਮਾਦ ॥

Anehadh Baajae Acharaj Bisamaadh ||

The wondrous, amazing unstruck melody vibrates.

ਕੇਲ ਕਰਹਿ ਸੰਤ ਹਰਿ ਲੋਗ ॥

Kael Karehi Santh Har Log ||

The Saintly people play there with the Lord.

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਪੂਰਨ ਨਿਰਜੋਗ ॥੧॥

Paarabreham Pooran Nirajog ||1||

They remain totally detached, absorbed in the Supreme Lord God. ||1||

ਸੂਖ ਸਹਜ ਆਨੰਦ ਭਵਨ ॥

Sookh Sehaj Aanandh Bhavan ||

It is the realm of celestial peace and bliss.

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਤਹ ਰੋਗ ਸੋਗ ਨਹੀ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Saadhhasang Bais Gun Gaavehi Theh Rog Sog Nehee Janam Maran ||1|| Rehaao ||

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, sits and sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord. There is no disease or sorrow there, no birth or death. ||1||Pause||

ਊਹਾ ਸਿਮਰਹਿ ਕੇਵਲ ਨਾਮੁ ॥

Oohaa Simarehi Kaeval Naam ||

There, they meditate only on the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

ਬਿਰਲੇ ਪਾਵਹਿ ਓਹੁ ਬਿਸ੍ਰਾਮੁ ॥

Biralae Paavehi Ouhu Bisraam ||

How rare are those who find this place of rest.

ਭੋਜਨੁ ਭਾਉ ਕੀਰਤਨ ਆਧਾਰੁ ॥

Bhojan Bhaao Keerathan Aadhhaar ||

The love of God is their food, and the Kirtan of the Lord's Praise is their support.

ਨਿਹਚਲ ਆਸਨੁ ਬੇਸੁਮਾਰੁ ॥੨॥

Nihachal Aasan Baesumaar ||2||

They obtain a permanent seat in the infinite. ||2||

ਡਿਗੈ ਨ ਡੋਲੈ ਕਤਹੂ ਨ ਧਾਵੈ ॥

Ddig N Ddolai Kathehoo N Dhhaavai ||

No one falls there, or wavers, or goes anywhere.

ਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਕੋ ਇਹੁ ਮਹਲੁ ਪਾਵੈ ॥

Gur Prasaadh Ko Eihu Mehal Paavai ||

By Guru's Grace, some find this mansion.

ਭ੍ਰਮ ਭੈ ਮੋਹ ਨ ਮਾਇਆ ਜਾਲ ॥

Bhram Bhai Moh N Maaeiaa Jaal ||

They are not touched by doubt, fear, attachment or the traps of Maya.

ਸੁੰਨ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਿਰਪਾਲ ॥੩॥

Sunn Samaadhh Prabhoo Kirapaal ||3||

They enter the deepest state of Samaadhi, through the kind mercy of God. ||3||

ਤਾ ਕਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਰਾਵਾਰੁ ॥

Thaa Kaa Anth N Paaraavaar ||

He has no end or limitation.

ਆਪੇ ਗੁਪਤੁ ਆਪੇ ਪਾਸਾਰੁ ॥

Aapae Gupath Aapae Paasaar ||

He Himself is unmanifest, and He Himself is manifest.

ਜਾ ਕੈ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਸੁਆਦੁ ॥

Jaa Kai Anthar Har Har Suaadh ||

One who enjoys the taste of the Lord, Har, Har, deep within himself,

ਕਹਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਈ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਿਸਮਾਦੁ ॥੪॥੯॥੨੦॥

Kehan N Jaaee Naanak Bisamaadh ||4||9||20||

O Nanak, his wondrous state cannot be described. ||4||9||20||

 

2 hours ago, Singh375 said:

Best advice is be careful not to get mis-guided. There are too many YouTube  Sikhi preachers today who haven’t got a clue. 

It’s normal to feel sensation, it’s also normal  to search for answers outside. But everything is inside you, this is journey of finding it within

Begin meditation/simran with a few minutes jaap of Mool mantar focusing on seeking blessings of Guru sahib to be ang sang and guide you 

Agreed, often our asking or questions or the search itself can be our own ego distracting us. All the answers are within us, through Guruji we can realise them.

ਜੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡੇ ਸੋਈ ਪਿੰਡੇ ਜੋ ਖੋਜੈ ਸੋ ਪਾਵੈ ॥

Jo Brehamanddae Soee Pinddae Jo Khojai So Paavai ||

The One who pervades the Universe also dwells in the body; whoever seeks Him, finds Him there.

ਪੀਪਾ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਪਰਮ ਤਤੁ ਹੈ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਹੋਇ ਲਖਾਵੈ ॥੨॥੩॥

Peepaa Pranavai Param Thath Hai Sathigur Hoe Lakhaavai ||2||3||

Peepaa prays, the Lord is the supreme essence; He reveals Himself through the True Guru. ||2||3||

Gurfateh Jee

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On 7/27/2005 at 4:27 PM, Guest call me wa u wan said:

IS IT COMPULSORY FOR AMRITDHARI WOMEN TO WEAR A DASTAAR?????

COZ I'VE MET MANY HU DONT ....BUT THEY ALWAYS AV THERE HEAD COVERED

It's not compulsory for women to wear a dastar. Majority of bibiyan from all sampradai be it taksaal, nihang, nanaksar etc generally just wear a chunni or keski. Whilst bibiyan wearing dastar have been around all the time and it's amazing dont let it be a make or break reason for not taking Amrit. 

Keeping the kesh tied and covered is important and the chunni police will enforce that by giving you evils at the Gurdwara.

Some panj Piyare encourage for wearing a dastar , not come across any making it compulsory. 

One can look the part but inside they aren't living up to it. Bani and Bana should go hand in hand.

2 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

It's not no religion it's ONE religion. 

Just what I was thinking too

 

ਸਰਬ ਧਰਮ ਮਹਿ ਸ੍ਰੇਸਟ ਧਰਮੁ ॥

Sarab Dhharam Mehi Sraesatt Dhharam 

Of all religions, the best religion

 

ਹਰਿ ਕੋ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਿ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਕਰਮੁ ॥

Har Ko Naam Jap Niramal Karam ||

Is to chant the Name of the Lord and maintain pure conduct.