PAL 07

fateh, daal singh your last post makes me feel like pucking up. you can tell what your avastha is from your posts. eating daal101 times a day instead of japji. i think its best i terminate my membership of this forum, because i feel i'm wasting my time on here when i get replies like that. theres an english saying of " your getting hold of the wrong end of the stick" do you know what this means ?????? when bharatdesh (khalisitan) had already created sewage systems, these dum british in the 1800's came up with the lavatory toilet in england. its inital conception was of a wide bench that had holes in it to sit on and s*** down ....... then they used keep sticks in front of each hole so that you could grab the stick and push the **** down the main drain pipe with it. the one side of the stick used to be completely dirty from the previous user ...... and you was ment to grab the correct side of the stick not the s*** side. now thats what your doing to my last post ........ "grabbing the wrong end of the stick"

fateh. thread starter don't worry about it, if he worked hard for his money, its not lost, he'll just end being a millioinaire soon. trust me i know somebody very close who lost 2k of hard earned money ten years ago, now he's a multi 000000 secondly a lesson to you all, don't have all these credit and debit cards - your shooting yourself in the foot. tell your banks you want all that s*** cancelled. thirdly, nobody ever post these sort of stupid threads again, the internet is bigtime dangerous. indian government got this forum hacked inside out.

fateh, the greatest thing i learnt from their katha's is the actual jugti of how to do vaheguruu naam simran, which has transformed my life. in the divan katha - guruu di mahaanta - sant ji shut decides to shut up abruptly and starts doing this naam simran in the correct way. here it is, pay attention, close all other windows programs, and try to repeat naam the way he does it. http://www.4shared.com/dir/2728558/5c94ce01/sharing.html

fateh, listen to the following divan, sant waryam singh gets maharj's darshan whilst doing katha ......... and its all recorded on tape whilst its actually happening. the sangat go mental and sant waryam singh goes mast .......... click on the link and listen particularly carefully towards the end of the divan http://www.sfsikhcenter.org/multimedia/04-...ee%20Parabh.mp3

sorry post 17

ps: dal101 you haven't answered my question in post 16 so please do

fateh, dal101 your so so so so sad , typical modern sikh (always grabbing the wrong end of the stick, thats why i stay away from them) are you only good for eating daal, is that all your jeevan is. for start i belong to no jatha (honest) and mingle with non and go to no particular gurdvara sahib, i got respect for them all and they are all abehd saroop anyway (all the same) The only reason i talk about baba nand singh ji maharaj is that i have studyed their live extensively, not that i am sum jatha basher like the rest of ya. their jeevan appeals to me the way they lived their life and what happened to them, the things they did. bwoy you don't know how they respected sri guru granth sahib ji, if you knew the truth about this sant you wouldn't have wrote what you did. just because i talk about baba nand singh ji maharaj don't mean i'm refering to modern day nanaksar samparda or their maryada. ps: if your all for respecting sri guru granth sahib ji then why did you post something else before and then change your story ???

fateh, jai tegan to your last post once sant baba gurbachan singh ji khalsa were thinking to themselves about a particular shabad in gurbani. they already knew several different meanings of this shabad beforehand, but they just stopped at this particular shabad and starting going into a very deep thought about it. (dunno the shabad) and whilst pondering over this shabad they thought to themselves, " i wonder if theres any other arth of this shabad ?? " soon as they had this thought they were amazed to see Sant attar singh ji mastuane vale appear in front of them completely out the blue (obviously through the third eye). Sant baba attar singh ji gave sant baba gurbachan singh ji khalsa a piece of paper whith more next level arth of gurbani. when sant baba gurbachan singh ji khalsa read these arth he enquired as to where he got them from. Sant attar singh said they had been specially sent for you from sachkhand. After that sant attar singh disappeared and took the piece of paper with him. so yeh jai tegan, giani takur singh does release a few jems from time to time, but sant baba gurbachan singh ji khalsa were a complete gem

fateh, britiah sikh lad learning from what ??????? are you saying you should jo maharaj's beadbi and then afterwards try and learn something from it. what exactly is it you would learn ?? Bhul chuk kima kardene.

fateh, vah vah vah, may you pass mahraj's test and achieve acomplishment, the person that tells somebody he is bad because of his mistake, is better than somebody who tells you, "you are brilliant at something". Saying the latter only beefs up your ego wheras the prior one helps one to become better and better.

fateh, dal101 i disagree with you, infact this is the most serious issue. the rest is just maharaj having fun, he creates it and he sorts it out. the sikh times printing gurbani ( other newspapers also who even call themselves panthic etc) are all big time paapis, they'll never get out of hell. everytime i visit my local newsagents is see the sikh times on the bottom shelf and the pornos on the top shelf. this is a major major major problem !!!! If we want everything sorted in the khalsa panth we ahve to do only two things. 1, complete respect for gurugranth sahib ji mahraaj, the way baba nand singh ji nanksar kaleravale showed us ie, never to turn your back. 2, complete maryada in the langar hall

fateh who is this adressed to and why ???? ps; parea sunaya kya hoe ja sahaj na mileo soe what the use of reading and listening if youv'e got no avastha(sggs) with upmost nimarta kam1825 honestly, i can smell major haumei,hankaar from you true singhs ajar nu jarde han, they keep everything gupt, your the webmaster at gurmatveechar.com and you tell us this in your every post.

fateh, sara abehd saroop hai

fateh, whats wrong with the quran on this site ???? bed katebh kaho mat chuteh (vedas and all the books of christianity,judaism and islam; don't call them false) sri guru granth sahib ji maharaj

fateh, bwoy everyone's so fussy on this forum, chill out maan lifes to be enjoyed.... listen to some happy kirtan, here ive broken the caps button on the keyboard happy now ??? :TH:

FATEH, "Khalsa Network" i feel you are wrong to mention that Sikhnet has helped people to come into gursikhi, this is totaly irrelevant to the thread title. What Sikhnet has said is a big cockup and has shown other people far far away from the usa that this guys avastha is a mess. Sikhnets proclamation that abortion is fine is MAJOR MANMAT. Every day we read Guruji's hukam in Anand Sahib - Mata ke udar meh pritpal kare (God protects us in the mothers womb from the pain and HEAT of the womb) and Jese agan udar meh tesee bahr maya (just like the fire in the womb so is the world aflame in maya) . The temperature in the womb is actually 38 degrees celcius, homeostatic (normal) temperature should be 37 degrees (I learnt this while studying at uni). These two refrences from Ramkali Anand beyond doubt clarify that actually normal human beings do suffer in the foetus of the woman and so what sikhnet says is clearly wrong. Furthermore GuruSahibJi gives us hukam that you were not aware of this pain because you were remembering the Lords name praying for relief from this dukh vichora. ALSO TO POST 16 GURUKISIPAHI Your suggestion that there is no MAN (mind) in the foetus is also Manmat, because if you would actually read ALL of Sri GuruGranthSahibji Mahraj you will find that Mahraj gives us hukam that o'man while you were in the mothers womb you were remembering me, therefore there was a MAN (mind) in the first place .... INFACT BABIES ARE BREHMGIANI WHILST IN THE WOMB, But what happens when they are born ... LIV CHURKEE LAGEE TRISNA MAYA AMAR VARTAYAA (Anand Sahib). Thats why the child cries, and cries his eyes out because of seperation, even ten minutes before a woman goes into labour you won't find the baby crying, but soon as he's born "his crying his eyes out". PRACTICAL EXAMPLE Sant Baba Karm Singh Ji of Hoti(Mardaan) once said that whilst he was in his respected mothers womb, he could hear her doing Sukhmani Sahib Jee de paath. Infact she used to do 25 Jaap's eveyday for nine months while she was pregnant. If this Sikhnet thing is true ie' somebody takes account for this, the he should apologise and take punishment from Panj Piare

FATEH, THANKS FOR THIS ENLIGHTENMENT KAM, IT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW MUCH WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE WORLD. THANKS FOR MAKING THIS FORUM FRUITFULL " I LEARN'T SOMETHING TODAY " END OF THE DAY SIKHI IS ABOUT LEARNING, ITS BEST TO SHARE THE GIAN, SANT GURBACHAN SINGH JI KHALSA CAN'T BE WRONG SIMPLE AS. ONCE SANT JAVALA SINGH JI SAID THAT THERE HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE HISTORY OF TIME A MORE GIANI SATPURSH THAN SANT GURBACHAN SINGH JI KHALSA IN THE THREE WORLDS. BREHMGIAN IS EXACTLY AS IT SAYS ON THE TIN - COMPLETE GIAN OF GOD ....... ANYTHING LESS IS STILL IN THE CATEGORY OF IGNORANCE. PERSONALLY I BELIEVE THE LAST PROPHET OF ISLAM WAS A HOLY SATOGUNI PURSH, BUT NOT OF THE AVSTHA OF BREHMGIAN. PS: DOES ANYBODY KNOW OF OTHER RELIGIONS THAT TALK ABOUT BREHMGIAN OR IS IT ONLY GURBANI THAT TALKSA ABOUT THIS ??

FATEH, SO YOUR BURNING A CD FOR SOMEBODY ELSE AND WANT HELP, THIS IS A GREAT SEVA YOUR DOING KH@LS@ JI, BUT WITH NIMARTA AT HEART I WOULD LIKE TO SAY SOMETHING. THE LINKS WE WOULD GIVE ARE TO SHABADS THAT APPEASE OUR MINDS IE. THESE ARE SHABADS THAT WE LIKE, BUT HOW DO WE KNOW THAT THE PERSON YOUR BURNING THIS CD FOR, LIKES THESE SHABADS ????? AGAIN WITH HUMILITY I REQUEST AT YOUR FEET THAT WOULD YOU SHOULD DO IS ACTUALLY DOWNLOAD AND BURN A MP3 DVD OF ALL THE KIRTAN OF THE RAGIS YOU LIKE AND THEN PASS THIS DVD ON TO YOUR NEXT MAN AND LET HIM CHOOSE WHICH SHABADS HE/SHE LIKES AND THEN BURN A REVISED DISC. BUL CHUK MAAF KARNI

FATEH, I feel this shabad sums up 21 century civilisation:- SOOHEE, FIRST MEHL, NINTH HOUSE: ONE UNIVERSAL CREATOR GOD. BY THE GRACE OF THE TRUE GURU: The color of safflower is transitory; it lasts for only a few days. Without the Name, the false woman is deluded by doubt and plundered by thieves. But those who are attuned to the True Lord, are not reincarnated again. || 1 || How can one who is already dyed in the color of the Lords Love, be colored any other color? So serve God the Dyer, and focus your consciousness on the True Lord. || 1 || Pause || You wander around in the four directions, but without the good fortune of destiny, you shall never obtain wealth. If you are plundered by corruption and vice, you shall wander around, but like a fugitive, you shall find no place of rest. Only those who are protected by the Guru are saved; their minds are attuned to the Word of the Shabad. || 2 || Those who wear white clothes, but have filthy and stone-hearted minds, may chant the Lords Name with their mouths, but they are engrossed in duality; they are thieves. They do not understand their own roots; they are beasts. They are just animals! || 3 || Constantly, continually, the mortal seeks pleasures. Constantly, continually, he begs for peace. But he does not think of the Creator Lord, and so he is overtaken by pain, again and again. But one, within whose mind the Giver of pleasure and pain dwells how can his body feel any need? || 4 || One who has a karmic debt to pay off is summoned, and the Messenger of Death smashes his head. When his account is called for, it has to be given. After it is reviewed, payment is demanded. Only love for the True One will save you; the Forgiver forgives. || 5 || If you make any friend other than God, you shall die and mingle with the dust. Gazing upon the many games of love, you are beguiled and bewildered; you come and go in reincarnation. Only by Gods Grace can you be saved. By His Grace, He unites in His Union. || 6 || O careless one, you are totally lacking any wisdom; do not seek wisdom without the Guru. By indecision and inner conflict, you shall come to ruin. Good and bad both pull at you. Without being attuned to the Word of the Shabad and the Fear of God, all come under the gaze of the Messenger of Death. || 7 || He who created the creation and sustains it, gives sustenance to all. How can you forget Him from your mind? He is the Great Giver, forever and ever. Nanak shall never forget the Naam, the Name of the Lord, the Support of the unsupported. || 8 || 1 || 2 || Bhul Chuk Galtee Na Chitario Jee

FATEH, KH@LS@ JI, THANKS FOR YOUR RESPONSE, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE SEEN A PICTURE OF SRI MAAN SANT BABA KARM SINGH JI HOTI..........BWOY THEY ARE ONE MIGHTY MAHAPURSH.

GUR BRAKAAL, GHAR GHAR PRANAAM, CHIT CHARAN NAAM.......DEGH TEGH FATEH...........KHALSE DI HAR MEDANOO FATEH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FATEH, Sant are definitely worth big time respect, though yet so young they are transforming Punjab and are are a true Guni Giani. All Sikhs are and should feel indebted to this Sant because he is doing what we could never do:- PARCHAAR PS: Could somebody please tell me more about Sant's history ie, how he got bakshish from other Sants and other important incidents from his life.

FATEH, BRILLIANT, WELL SAID.

FATEH, Its not neccessarily true that doing 24/7 naam bani would be the one and only condition for entry to Sachkhand Sahib. Sachkhand Sahib (Gurpuri) is for those who live a gursikhi jeevan all the time ie, their daily lives include nitnem, simran, seva, satsang, rehat maryada, honest living, forever contemplating vaheguru, naam, daan, ishnaan etc etc ........ Whilst living such a gursikhi jeevan if one was to follow Dhan Dhan Baba Nand Singh's bachan of a certain amount of paath then this guarantees he or she a place. Besides even just doing 84 Japji sahib de paath once at Goindval Baouli Sahib will guarantee a gursikh mukti, normal jagyasuu will get mukti from transmigration (Guru Amardass Sahib Ji Da Bachan) ........................... Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa once sent five Singh's to go and do 84 Paaths at Baouli Sahib. Having finished this they were returning to Chowk Mehta and one of the Singh's was thinking in his mind ''can this bachan actually be true'' ........ very shortly he became ill on the way and decided to lye down on the side of the road. Very shortly after this he realised that he was going to die, and soon as he realised this he saw Panj Piare coming from Sachkhand Sahib to collect him. They said because you have done 84 Japji at Baouli Sahib but became doubtfull we have come early to take you to Sachkhand Sahib. The other 4 singh were witness to all this. Bhul Chuk Maaf Karni VJKkhalsa VJKfateh