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This is completely ridiculous and very sad that someone that calls himself a Sikh will even say idol worship is gurmat. Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is clear that idol worship of stone is not the Guru's way. Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji makes this stance aswell in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib ji. This Shabad is by Guru Gobind Singh in Dasam Granth on Pannaa 132 nrwj CMd ] naraaj shha(n)dh || Nraaj Chhand kihE pRBU su BwiK hoN ] iksU n kwn rwiK hoN ] kehiou prabhoo s bhaakh ho || kisoo n kaan raakh ho || I say only what the Lord said to me. Narrating His words, I shall have no sympathetic concern for anyone. iksU n ByK BIj hoN ] AlyK bIj bIj hoN ] 34] kisoo n bhaekh bheej ho || alaekh beej beej ho || 34|| I would rather not associate myself with a particular garb. I shall sow the seeds of the Name of the Unaccountable Lord.(34) pKwx pUj hoN nhIN ] n ByK BIj ho khIN ] pakhaan pooj ho nehee || n bhaekh bheej ho kehee || I shall not worship stones. I shall have no liking for a particular guise. AnMq nwmu gwie hoN ] pr~m purK pwie hoN ]35] ana(n)th naam gaae ho || paraam purakh paae ho ||35|| I shall sing the name of the Infinite Lord. I will meet the Supreme Lord.(35) jtw n sIs DwirhoN ] n muMdRkw suDwirhoN ] jattaa n sees dhhaariho || n mu(n)dhrakaa sudhhaariho || I shall neither wear matted hair on my head, Nor shall I put on ear-rings in my ears. n kwn kwhU kI DroN ] kihE pRBU su mY kroN ] 36] n kaan kaahoo kee dhharo || kehiou prabhoo s mai karo || 36|| I pay no attention to anyone else. I shall execute whatever the Lord has bidden me.(36) BjoN su eyk nwmXM ] ju kwm srb TwmXM ] bhajo s eaek naamaya(n) || j kaam sarab t(h)aamaya(n) || I recite only the Name of the One Lord. Which is useful everywhere. n jwp Awn ko jpo ] n Aaur Qwpnw Qpo ] 37] n jaap aan ko japo || n aour thhaapanaa thhapo || 37|| I shall not meditate on another's name except the Lord's. I shall never install any type of (statue or idol)'(37) ibAMq nwm iDAwie hoN ] prm joiq pwie hoN ] bia(n)th naam dhhiaae ho || param joth paae ho || I shall meditate on the Name of the Infinite Lord. I shall attain the Supreme Light (The Eternal Being). n iDAwn Awn ko DroN ] n nwm Awn aucroN ] 38] n dhhiaan aan ko dhharo || n naam aan oucharo || 38|| I shall neither concentrate on anyone else, Nor shall I repeat the name of anyone except that of the Lord.(38) qv~k nwm r~iqXM ] n Awn mwn m~iqXM ] thavaak naam raathiya(n) || n aan maan maathiya(n) || I shall only be imbued with Your Name. I shall not accept the doctrine of any other faith. pr~m iDAwn DwrIXM ] AnMq pwp twrIXM ] 39] paraam dhhiaan dhhaareeya(n) || ana(n)th paap ttaareeya(n) || 39|| I shall meditate on the name of the Paramount (Supreme Being), And I shall eradicate innumerable sins.(39) qumyv rUp rwicXM ] n Awn dwn mwicXM ] thumaev roop raachiya(n) || n aan dhaan maachiya(n) || I shall be permeated into Your Form. But I shall not be gratified for a boon given by somebody else. qv~k nwm aucwirXM ] AnMq dUK twirXM ] 40] thavaak naam ouchaariya(n) || ana(n)th dhookh ttaariya(n) || 40|| I shall repeat Your Name only, And I shall obliterate countless sufferings.( 40} This thread needs to be closed because nindiya of Gurbani is happening by pro stone worshippers to push their own manmat on Sikhs here. What I am going to say now is said with all the love in the world and please those that say idol worship is gurmat, don't take it as an offense because all I am doing is explaining your stand here. Since stones can be worshipped on the bases that God is in the stone then since God is in dog and human feces it also can be worshipped and if a stone idol worshipper says no to this very disgraceful state, then he/she is contradicting their own beliefs. Edit: Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji's bani is also very clear on this topic. This Shabad is by Guru Nanak Dev Ji in Raag Bihaagraa on Pannaa 556 mÚ 1 ] ma 1 || First Mehla: ihMdU mUly BUly AKutI jWhI ] hi(n)dhoo moolae bhoolae akhuttee jaa(n)hee || The Hindus have forgotten the Primal Lord; they are going the wrong way. nwrid kihAw is pUj krWhI ] AMDy guMgy AMD AMDwru ] naaradh kehiaa s pooj karaa(n)hee || a(n)dhhae gu(n)gae a(n)dhh a(n)dhhaar || As Naarad instructed them, they are worshipping idols. They are blind and mute, the blindest of the blind. pwQru ly pUjih mugD gvwr ] paathhar lae poojehi mugadhh gavaar || The ignorant fools pick up stones and worship them. Eih jw Awip fuby qum khw qrxhwru ]2] ouhi jaa aap ddubae thum kehaa tharanehaar ||2|| But when those stones themselves sink, who will carry you across? ||2||

Follow your own advice first and stick to the topic. Answer the question first. Don’t go off topic. Provide proofs that I am advocating akhand paaths or it has anything to do with this topic. Reading baani is a pious act and Gurbani supports it. Sikhs read 5 banis in the morning. If this is not manmat then reading entire Guru Granth Sahib is also not manmat. Many panktis like “Gurbani Gavoh Bhai...” and “Aeyo Sunan Paran Ko Bani..”advocate reading bani but not a single verse suggests taking one line out of context and twisting its meaning like you did. My objection is not towards the pankti but towards you misinterpreting it. You are contradicting yourself line after line. If so much is received through Shabad (one word) then why worship an idol which serves no purpose? Your own statement rejects your own manmat. Bhagat Kabir Ji makes it clear that stone is carved out and fashioned into an idol but it still remains a stone, a lifeless object. Who are my preachers? Do I have a group of paathis? What proofs do you have to justify your accusations? You are the one jumping from one Shabad to another without discussing it or proving your point. Now are you diverting from topic. I guess your mind did not mature with your age. Shabad you posted was not even remotely related to idol worship. When proven wrong you diverted the topic and started posting your mumbo jumbo. Hating and worshipping are two different things. Even a child knows the difference. Sikhs follow rehat of Guru Sahib which rejects idol worship. Neither did Guru Sahib worship idols nor did they instruct us to do so. My Guru is Guru Granth Sahib and that is the only Guru in the world. If your guru is someone else then he is wrong. Manukha jooni is the only way to get liberation and meditate upon Naam. This is why it is superior. Here is just one couplet. ਅਵਰ ਜੋਨਿ ਤੇਰੀ ਪਨਿਹਾਰੀ ॥ ਇਸੁ ਧਰਤੀ ਮਹਿ ਤੇਰੀ ਸਿਕਦਾਰੀ ॥ Why did Guru Sahib give us the Granth if we should read only one Shabad? Why are you suggesting Sikhs to not read Bani? You have not provided a single proof from bani that idols or stones should be worshiped. I think the original poster has received his answer and it is not worth wasting my time on you.

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Balbir Singh, you are the one spreading anti-Gurmat here. Taking one line out of the entire Shabad and twisting its meanings to suit your own manmat is not an act of a Sikh. Gurbani is replete with Shabads which speak against idol worship. I never wrote that God is not in idols but its worship is not Gurmat. Human being is much better than a stone since human jooni is the highest then why shouldn’t one worship a human body over an idol? Hating an idol and rejecting its worship are two different things and i thought you were old enough to know the difference. Here is the entire Shabad and tell me where does it advocate to worship idols or where does the word “moorat” in Gurbani refer to idols? ਜੋਗ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਸੁਨਿ ਆਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ॥ ਮੋ ਕਉ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਬਦਿ ਬੁਝਾਇਓ ॥1॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਨਉ ਖੰਡ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮੀ ਇਸੁ ਤਨ ਮਹਿ ਰਵਿਆ ਨਿਮਖ ਨਿਮਖ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਾ ॥ ਦੀਖਿਆ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਮੁੰਦ੍ਰਾ ਕਾਨੀ ਦ੍ਰਿੜਿਓ ਏਕੁ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰਾ ॥1॥ ਪੰਚ ਚੇਲੇ ਮਿਲਿ ਭਏ ਇਕਤ੍ਰਾ ਏਕਸੁ ਕੈ ਵਸਿ ਕੀਏ ॥ ਦਸ ਬੈਰਾਗਨਿ ਆਗਿਆਕਾਰੀ ਤਬ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਜੋਗੀ ਥੀਏ ॥2॥ ਭਰਮੁ ਜਰਾਇ ਚਰਾਈ ਬਿਭੂਤਾ ਪੰਥੁ ਏਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਪੇਖਿਆ ॥ ਸਹਜ ਸੂਖ ਸੋ ਕੀਨੀ ਭੁਗਤਾ ਜੋ ਠਾਕੁਰਿ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਲੇਖਿਆ ॥3॥ ਜਹ ਭਉ ਨਾਹੀ ਤਹਾ ਆਸਨੁ ਬਾਧਿਓ ਸਿੰਗੀ ਅਨਹਤ ਬਾਨੀ ॥ ਤਤੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੁ ਡੰਡਾ ਕਰਿ ਰਾਖਿਓ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਨੀ ॥4॥ ਐਸਾ ਜੋਗੀ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਭੇਟੈ ਮਾਇਆ ਕੇ ਬੰਧਨ ਕਾਟੈ ॥ ਸੇਵਾ ਪੂਜ ਕਰਉ ਤਿਸੁ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਕੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤਿਸੁ ਪਗ ਚਾਟੈ ॥5॥11॥132॥ The Shabad describes true yoga of Gurmat and all of the yogic words are redefined. Pay attention to the Rahao pankti which clearly says that Satguru through Shabad showed the true way to yoga in which Guru’s wisdom, following hukam, seeing God everywhere, singing bani and doing vichaar of baani is the essence. Such a person is true devotee of God and Guru Sahib says that he forever remains humble in his service. Moorat refers to true character or an ideal character of a true devotional bhagat. Words ਪਗ ਚਾਟੈ literally mean licking feet which is a metaphor for being humble and having nimarta. If the word moorat referred to an idol then you are insinuating that Guru Sahib advocates going to hindu temples and licking feet of idols. Your understanding of bani is either very poor or you are intentionally trying to confuse the Sikhs who are less acquainted with Bani.