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  1. i've posed this question about how many Amritdhari's there were back in the day to both my grandmother and my mum and this is what i got from both: My grandmother (84 years old) states that she had never seen or even heard of that a woman could be Amritdhari and that its only the 1970's that she even saw an Amritdhari bibi...she states that in her younger years she had only ever seen 2 or 3 Amritdhari even after marriage but what she did know whas that those 2 or 3 were pakke singhs...they'd NEVER wear a pajami...even if it was freezing cold...and that everyone respected them big time. She said she had never heard any parchar at all and had not even heard of Sri Darbar Sahib!!! My mum (52 yrs old) states that up until marriage she had not even been told a sakhi about any of the Guroo's...she knew not what Vaisakhi was but was constantly narrated tales of the Hindu Gods and that her entire pind had sharda in the mandir and not the Gurdwara..she says no parchar was ever done in the Gurdwara, only sangrand nu matta tekna..other than that all parchaar was done at the mandir. She states that from what she can recall that this was that case for all the villages that her cousins villages from too. She says anything she knows about Gurmat was when she came to UK and that Sikhi on a mainstream level only happened after 1975+ and that before while everyone one was proud to be 'sardar' but looking back they could quite easily be refferred to as being Hindu. The above is not my opinion..its just what i've been told This sounds quite similar to my own family experience; my mother (47 yrs old of the Brar Gothra) had little knowledge of Sikhism bar the basic fundamentals (that of beliving in the GGS and the Gurus); she hadn't even herad of the Sau Sakhis and the Zafarnama etc; and she lived in the Punjab til she was eighteen. As a child we would visit Hindu Madirs and have pictures of San Sorshi Mata at our house., alongside the Guru Nanak and Guru Gobind. It it only within the last five years that i've noticed the ultimate aim of amrit dari Sikhs to become Armit Chakria. Please do not personally critice me or my family this is just MY subjective observation.
  2. I know i only gave one example, that of Maharajah Ranjit Singh, but with respect he did represent the Sikh Empire/Confederacy of Lahore and their is a wealth of historical artefacts on him and his life. On other Sikhs of the era circa 1849 not that much is known unless you go by the biased accounts of Cunningham and McAufcliffe, both of whom spun Sikh history to suit their own ulterior motive; i.e. to preserve the British Raj Acien regime. My own thinking is that at the time (1799 - 1849) to be termed a SIkh would be a pretty loose coda, a mix full of Sufi and Hindu influeneces. Remember the Rohit Marydarna wasn'nt codified until the 1920s and Jatt acceptance of the code was patchy to say thew least.
  3. Put simply...NO. A prime example of which was the great Maharaja Ranjit Singh, who buy all accounts partoke in hunting, eating meat, taking multiple wives and patronising hindu temples and Gods. Even the Khalsa Dal's succide squads, the Nihangs, can only be losely described as being amritdari wrt the 20 century construct of the rohit marydaya. :gg:
  4. Check out this advert from London 2012 olympic sponsor EDF on India greatest ever athlete, Milkha Singh aka the Flying Sikh....sure makes me proud. http://www.savetodaysavetomorrow.com/edf_e...me/milkha_singh
  5. SSA, Looking for some comedy relief, i have just watched a very funny US desi movie called 'Loins of Punjab' - link http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UOix2mlTIk8&...feature=related Enjoy.
  6. It's become a miserable and soul destroying cliche/stereotype, how UK Sikh (..and Hindu) girls run off with sullah. I honestly think that some of these girls view the whole thing as some warped rites of passage. I don't buy the idea that somehow women are the most culpable because they uphold the decency of the community, to view the situation in such a way would be unbalanced and verging on the misogynistic. I think we must example Punjabi culture which, for better or for worse, IS eponymous with Sikh culture. Punjabi culture is one which is hard drinking, hard working and has given us the phenomenon of the Bhangra gig where everyone (girls and boys) gets lashed and leery. I would suggest most of the current incidents of sullah predatory occur here. I think everyone should be realistic and face the uncomfortable fact that most UK Sikhs are Punjabi first and sikhs (with a small 's') second. Whereas your average unthinking brainwashed sullah is muslim first and ____ second. In order to prevent this happening again, we must reform, adapt and appropriate Punjabi culture to meet the needs of Sikhs not the other way around.
  7. What facility is there currently in Sikhi to answer the questions of non punjabi speaking/Gurmuki reading Uk Sikhs on "why should I keep my kes?" or "Why should I take Amrit? there is no need, your 'dil' should be 'saaf'. It takes a genuinely inquiring mind to independently seek answers in Sikhi. One of the problems is the death of literature of Sikh; at the University of Leicester there are literally only 9 books on Sikhi cf several shelves full of Buddhism, Judaism, Hinduism etc. The books that are specific to Sikhi don't really cut the mustard. I hate to generalize but those english books on Sikhi theology that I've read that are written by Sikhs tend to be grammatically poor and academically average; however the tomes by Huw Mcleod et al (i know not a universally admired authored) tend to be more factual and tend less towards hyperbole.
  8. I say this sincerely, i cant even contemplate the idea of being muslim --- to belong to an anti-intellectual death cult that has reformed since the time of Abu-Cenna. The only appeal of islam is for those individuals who do not wish to think for themselves, who find security and comfort in unchanging dogma. Essentially, if one considers the world comprising of masters and slaves; islam is definately a slave religion for the unthinking masses. Because of this Sikhi's appeal will always be limited and exclusive, because the facts show that the bulk of humanity does not have the courage to think for themselves.
  9. I disagree; one the beautiful aspects of Sikhi is that it is not prescriptive, we are all allowed to find our own paths towards waheguru. Sikhi is a dynamic young religion were questioning is paramount; if it wasn't for the Sikh Shaba movement questioning the Udasi form of Sikhi in the 1920s, Sikhism would probably of have died off as some ascetic new age bull crap. Every Sikh i know questions Sikhi; this is a GOOD thing. Dogmas are regularly challenged and Huka;s issued, vis a vis the Hegelian concept of the diaelectic. Questions are what 'learners' / 'Sikhs' excel at. Where Sikh falls down is that there are no teachers to answer these questions. The lack of any priesthood in the religion and the limited english language abilities of your average Granthi mean that is very easy in Sikh to question but no find an answer.
  10. My interpretation of Sikhi is that it is a revolutionary philosophical creed that seeks to attain political equality and level playing field for all of humanity; however this does not in my eyes equate to a socialist/liberal agenda. Rather the fundamental Sikhi tenants of self control, self sufficiency, charity, honest endevour and religious puralism; point towards a philosophy free from the corruption of state apparatus and one that emphasises enterprise and resourcefulness. IMHO Sikhs prosper best in open, democratic societies that are unencumbered by a welfare state (e.g. USA). The American constitution could of have been written by Sikhs. Hence in conclusion, i think Sikhs are small 'c' conservation revolutionaries (oxymoronic, i know!!).
  11. 'Praiser of Akaal', you posts barely make sense grammatically but i think i managed to understand your gist. Where has any poster mentioned their sense of 'outrage' over the Britz program and an actress who may or may not happen to call herself Sikh? The rest of your post is just a series of ill-founded and biased assertions. Try again.
  12. Woolly liberal organisations like the BBC do minority groups no favours at all. These sanctimonious liberals impose there own ideas, ideals and archetypes upon minority groups and bask in the fake afterglow of their own 'alturism'; however this phenomenon isn't really alturism; because these liberals expect fawning gratitude from the minority masses. While I all equality and the establishment of a level playing field for all groups; the sponsorship of a state broadcaster does nothing too help a multicultural Britain. In the preceding centuries, left leaning ideologies have killed more people than lassiez faire ones (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot et al); whereas with lassiez faire a minority at least has a glimmer of a change to build himself up from nothing to sometime by virtue of his own endevours. Leftist organisations are also an anathema to Sikh philosophy, as Sikhi is an ideology that demands the individual to be self sufficient and to proceed in their careers with honest undertakings free from the corrupt machinery/beaurocracy of state apparatus. I also disagree with the BBC from an economic standpoint; why should PAY to watch something as ubiquitous as television? It's just another insipid tax to fund an organisation thats grown fat of a billion pound subsidy and something that i hardly ever watch or listen to.
  13. Nihals a complete amateur at hosting radio talk in; his logic and therefore his questions always end up farcically repetitive - he badgers his 'guests' with the same question at least 2 or 3 times. Jeremy Paxman he aint. BBC Asian network shows are terrible; from the ridiculous attempt at highbrow from Nikki Bedi through to the embarrassingly effeminate 'Raj and Pablo'. I gave up listening to them along time ago. If you an asian phone in show try Sunrise.
  14. The situation with KPS Gill seems oddly reminiscent with that of Chile's General Pinochet. Both are well know human rights violations as per UN charter on Human Rights, both men have been singled out for censure by Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch International. All EU countries are signatories to the UN charter on human rights; if he steps foot on EU territory that would be good enough reason to charge Gill on crimes against humanity, al la Pinochet. There are a score or good Sikh lawyers in the UK (i.e, Rajinder singh of Channel 4 fame) and a wealth of evidence against Gill; it would be a simple matter to indict Gill and put him up for trail in the Hague. P.S. I don't think that children/relatives should be held responsible for the crimes of their relatives; i am ashamed to say that I am personally related to Kuldeep Brar (the CO in charge of Op Bluestar); and i hate this man and regard his actions as treason to the Sikh Kaun, having siad that I know how much my cousins in Southall who are closer related to the Brar gothra have suffered with this association. It is unwarranted; who is to know how Gill's son feels about his father??
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