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in respect to your question veer jee, the answer is UK. Someone has asked this question b4 but i ignored it, mayb its too rude to do that.

VAHEGURU JEE KAA KHALSA VAHEGURU JEE KEE FATEH pyario.. Firstly, i would like to say that i felt SO proud to see youth who were dressed in Guru ji's roop, upholding True Sikhi and did sevaa at the International Smagam based in UK this past weekend. I would also like to congratulate those very seeyanai GurSikhs who took Amrit at the Ransbaeee. NOT just that! There were more youth who walked into the sangat with greater pyaar for Sikhi as they have started to wear a Dastaar as per Guru jee's hukum. I am at the feet of those beautiful Sikhs who love Sikhi this much. To those people who are seeking to be GurSikhs, I beg those souls to take Amrit and fulfill Guru jee's hukum for us! NOTHING ELSE is Real! Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh jee finalised the Sikhi steps and instructed us on how to become Saachai Pyarai of Vaheguru jee. Going to a Chardee Kalaa Ransbaee is VERY special and there will NEVER be anything like it! There is great significance in that Khalsa Panth where Guru jee's Fauj follows the True Gurmat Principals of Sikhi. A GurSikh shall never leave the true Fort and ALWAYS fights for Khalsa. Guru Gobind Singh jee did not even once abandon his Fort. He did not once listen to anyones requests. He kept a firm stand, because only the Khalsa Panth is eternal. We must keep this SAME strong stand spiritually and physically at where the True Gurmat Principals are kept and originally initiated! Miri, Piri and the Almighty strength of Akaal Purakh; Khanda. If we do not keep a strong stand in the Khalsaa Panth, then who will& #33; The true panth will last forever and no one can ever challenge the kirpaa amongst that Sangat. Only truth lasts forever. The Future lies within your hands pyario jee. At the international smagam, look how Guru jee chose those young GurSikhs to do Keertan dee sevaa amongst other Kirtanee. Guru jee/ Vaheguru jee must be SO happy at the sight of his Khalsa Panth! Just imagine how beautiful SaachKhand must be if just ONE GURSIKH looks SO Beautiful! This is the beauty of Akaal Purukh. There is ONLY One Maraag/path that we MUST all walk on. That path is towards Guru Sahib jee. Gur Parsaad! We Must live our Sikhi jeevan to the fullest. We owe this sacrifice to our Guru jee. Everytime we do mata thek, it is the same as saying, Guru jee i give you my manmat and in replacement i beg for a Gurmat jeevan..we are giving our heads. It is very important for us to attend ransbaee as much as possible, again and again. The spiritual attainment from Naam cannot even be compared with a single thing on earth. Naam is the ONLY true Wealth that leaves with us! Sadh Sangat jeeo, the future lies in your hands with Guru jees Kirpaa. JUST imagine the amazing atmosphere and energy in a Sangat if millions were to gather together and do Swaas Grass - simran with every breath, and imagine how powerful that vibration would be, i think the earth will start shaking!!!! *Sadh Sangat, Paaj Kaival Naam! Vibrate on Naam amongst the true congregation. I HOPE to see a HUGE increase of True GurSikhs....Guru ji says that, Akaal Purukh Vaheguru jee is ALWAYS waiting for us. It is only the wall of our ego that is so thin but yet separates us from Vaheguru jee. Lets do as many ardassa, as much Sevaa, as much Sacrifice for Guru Sahib so that Vaheguru does mehr/ pity on us and gives us the Kirpaa to live a Gurmat Jeevan. *JIN PREM KEEYOE TIHN HEE PRABH PAAYOE Pyario jee, lets put it this way, if we are not walking towards Guru jee on the maarag to Akaal Purukh/ SaachKhand, then we must be going in the wrong direction because there is no other way! !!!!LETS LIVE SIKHI TO THE MAX!!!! Lastly to those who have doubts in living Sikhi to its fullest (as there are no half ways in Sikhi & Male and Females have an equal position), here is what Guru Nanak Dev jee instructs his Akaal Purukhs lovers... *Jau Thoe Prem Kilahn Kaa Chau* Sir Thar Thalee Galee Meree Aau Eith Maraag Paer Thareejai Sir Deejai, KARN NAA KEEJAI !! If You Wish to play the Game of Love with me Place Your Head upon the Palm and Walk My Way. Place Your feet upon this Path Give me your Head and DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO PUBLIC OPINION!!!! Only do what Akaal Purukh has instructed for us! Guru jee was and is SO amazing that he could have left anything behind for his GurSikhs...but he chose to leave Guru Granth Sahib jee whom we are to treat as our living Guru ji for eternal guidance on Earth for every part of our life. Hence, there must be SO MUCH Power in Guru jee's instructions!! Remember, when we attend the Gurudwara Sahib next time, lets ask ourselves this one question... HAVE I TRULY REACHED GURU JEE'S DWAR/ door/gateway??? !!!vaheguru jee ka khalsa vaheguru jee kee fateh!!!

After reciting Naam and doing our Panj Banee's daa paaht @ Amrit Velaa, we should read the following... Gurbanee This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Gauree on Pannaa 250 ik oa(n)kaar sathigur prasaadh || One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: gourree baavan akharee mehalaa 5 || Gauree, Baavan Akhree ~ The 52 Letters, Fifth Mehl: salok || Shalok: guradhaev maathaa guradhaev pithaa guradhaev suaamee paramaesuraa || The Divine Guru is my mother, the Divine Guru is my father; the Divine Guru is my Transcendent Lord and Master. guradhaev sakhaa agiaan bha(n)jan guradhaev ba(n)dhhip sehodharaa || The Divine Guru is my companion, the Destroyer of ignorance; the Divine Guru is my relative and brother. guradhaev dhaathaa har naam oupadhaesai guradhaev ma(n)th nirodhharaa || The Divine Guru is the Giver, the Teacher of the Lord's Name. The Divine Guru is the Mantra which never fails. guradhaev saa(n)th sath budhh moorath guradhaev paaras paras paraa || The Divine Guru is the Image of peace, truth and wisdom. The Divine Guru is the Philosopher's Stone - touching it, one is transformed. guradhaev theerathh a(n)mrith sarovar gur giaan majan apara(n)paraa || The Divine Guru is the sacred shrine of pilgrimage, and the pool of divine ambrosia; bathing in the Guru's wisdom , one experiences the Infinite. guradhaev karathaa sabh paap harathaa guradhaev pathith pavith karaa || The Divine Guru is the Creator, and the Destroyer of all sins; the Divine Guru is the Purifier of sinners. guradhaev aadh jugaadh jug jug guradhaev ma(n)th har jap oudhharaa || The Divine Guru existed at the primal beginning, throughout the ages, in each and every age. The Divine Guru is the Mantra of the Lord's Name; chanting it, one is saved. guradhaev sa(n)gath prabh mael kar kirapaa ham moorr paapee jith lag tharaa || O God, please be merciful to me, that I may be with the Divine Guru; I am a foolish sinner, but holding onto Him, I am carried across. guradhaev sathigur paarabreham paramaesar guradhaev naanak har namasakaraa ||1|| The Divine Guru is the True Guru, the Supreme Lord God, the Transcendent Lord; Nanak bows in humble reverence to the Lord, the Divine Guru. ||1||

VAHEGURU JEE KAA KHALSA VAHEGURU JEE KEE FATEH pyario.. Firstly, i would like to say that i felt SO proud to see youth who were dressed in Guru ji's roop, upholding True Sikhi and did sevaa at the International Smagam based in UK this past weekend. I would also like to congratulate those very seeyanai GurSikhs who took Amrit at the Ransbaeee. NOT just that! There were more youth who walked into the sangat with greater pyaar for Sikhi as they have started to wear a Dastaar as per Guru jee's hukum. I am at the feet of those beautiful Sikhs who love Sikhi this much. To those people who are seeking to be GurSikhs, I beg those souls to take Amrit and fulfill Guru jee's hukum for us! NOTHING ELSE is Real! Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh jee finalised the Sikhi steps and instructed us on how to become Saachai Pyarai of Vaheguru jee. Going to a Chardee Kalaa Ransbaee is VERY special and there will NEVER be anything like it! There is great significance in that Khalsa Panth where Guru jee's Fauj follows the True Gurmat Principals of Sikhi. A GurSikh shall never leave the true Fort and ALWAYS fights for Khalsa. Guru Gobind Singh jee did not even once abandon his Fort. He did not once listen to anyones requests. He kept a firm stand, because only the Khalsa Panth is eternal. We must keep this SAME strong stand spiritually and physically at where the True Gurmat Principals are kept and originally initiated! Miri, Piri and the Almighty strength of Akaal Purakh; Khanda. If we do not keep a strong stand in the Khalsaa Panth, then w ho will! The true panth will last forever and no one can ever challenge the kirpaa amongst that Sangat. Only truth lasts forever. The Future lies within your hands pyario jee. At the international smagam, look how Guru jee chose those young GurSikhs to do Keertan dee sevaa amongst other Kirtanee. Guru jee/ Vaheguru jee must be SO happy at the sight of his Khalsa Panth! Just imagine how beautiful SaachKhand must be if just ONE GURSIKH looks SO Beautiful! This is the beauty of Akaal Purukh. There is ONLY One Maraag/path that we MUST all walk on. That path is towards Guru Sahib jee. Gur Parsaad! We Must live our Sikhi jeevan to the fullest. We owe this sacrifice to our Guru jee. Everytime we do mata thek, it is the same as saying, Guru jee i give you my manmat and in replacement i beg for a Gurmat jeevan..we are giving our heads. It is very important for us to attend ransbaee as much as possible, again and again. The spiritual attainment from Naam cannot even be compared with a single thing on earth. Naam is the ONLY true Wealth that leaves with us! Sadh Sangat jeeo, the future lies in your hands with Guru jees Kirpaa. JUST imagine the amazing atmosphere and energy in a Sangat if millions were to gather together and do Swaas Grass - simran with every breath, and imagine how powerful that vibration would be, i think the earth will start shaking!!!! *Sadh Sangat, Paaj Kaival Naam! Vibrate on Naam amongst the true congregation. I HOPE to see a HUGE increase of True GurSikhs....Guru ji says that, Akaal Purukh Vaheguru jee is ALWAYS waiting for us. It is only the wall of our ego that is so thin but yet separates us from Vaheguru jee. Lets do as many ardassa, as much Sevaa, as much Sacrifice for Guru Sahib so that Vaheguru does mehr/ pity on us and gives us the Kirpaa to live a Gurmat Jeevan. *JIN PREM KEEYOE TIHN HEE PRABH PAAYOE Pyario jee, lets put it this way, if we are not walking towards Gur u jee on the maarag to Akaal Purukh/ SaachKhand, then we must be going in the wrong direction because there is no other way! !!!!LETS LIVE SIKHI TO THE MAX!!!! Lastly to those who have doubts in living Sikhi to its fullest (as there are no half ways in Sikhi & Male and Females have an equal position), here is what Guru Nanak Dev jee instructs his Akaal Purukhs lovers... *Jau Thoe Prem Kilahn Kaa Chau* Sir Thar Thalee Galee Meree Aau Eith Maraag Paer Thareejai Sir Deejai, KARN NAA KEEJAI !! If You Wish to play the Game of Love with me Place Your Head upon the Palm and Walk My Way. Place Your feet upon this Path Give me your Head and DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO PUBLIC OPINION!!!! Only do what Akaal Purukh has instructed for us! Guru jee was and is SO amazing that he could have left anything behind for his GurSikhs...but he chose to leave Guru Granth Sahib jee whom we are to treat as our living Guru ji for eternal guidance on Earth for every part of our life. Hence, there must be SO MUCH Power in Guru jee's instructions!! Remember, when we attend the Gurudwara Sahib next time, lets ask ourselves this one question... HAVE I TRULY REACHED GURU JEE'S DWAR/ door/gateway??? !!!vaheguru jee ka khalsa vaheguru jee kee fateh!!!

VAHEGURU JEE KAA KHALSA VAHEGURU JEE KEE FATEH pyario.. Firstly, i would like to say that i felt SO proud to see youth who were dressed in Guru ji's roop, upholding True Sikhi and did sevaa at the International Smagam based in UK this past weekend. I would also like to congratulate those very seeyanai GurSikhs who took Amrit at the Ransbaeee. NOT just that! There were more youth who walked into the sangat with greater pyaar for Sikhi as they have started to wear a Dastaar as per Guru jee's hukum. I am at the feet of those beautiful Sikhs who love Sikhi this much. To those people who are seeking to be GurSikhs, I beg those souls to take Amrit and fulfill Guru jee's hukum for us! NOTHING ELSE is Real! Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh jee finalised the Sikhi steps and instructed us on how to become Saachai Pyarai of Vaheguru jee. Going to a Chardee Kalaa Ransbaee is VERY special and there will NEVER be anything like it! There is great significance in that Khalsa Panth where Guru jee's Fauj follows the True Gurmat Principals of Sikhi. A GurSikh shall never leave the true Fort and ALWAYS fights for Khalsa. Guru Gobind Singh jee did not even once abandon his Fort. He did not once listen to anyones requests. He kept a firm stand, because only the Khalsa Panth is eternal. We must keep this SAME strong stand spiritually and physically at where the True Gurmat Principals are kept and originally initiated! Miri, Piri and the Almighty strength of Akaal Purakh; Khanda. If we do not keep a strong stand in the Khalsaa Panth, then who will! The true panth will last forever and no one can ever challenge the kirpaa amo ngst that Sangat. Only truth lasts forever. The Future lies within your hands pyario jee. At the international smagam, look how Guru jee chose those young GurSikhs to do Keertan dee sevaa amongst other Kirtanee. Guru jee/ Vaheguru jee must be SO happy at the sight of his Khalsa Panth! Just imagine how beautiful SaachKhand must be if just ONE GURSIKH looks SO Beautiful! This is the beauty of Akaal Purukh. There is ONLY One Maraag/path that we MUST all walk on. That path is towards Guru Sahib jee. Gur Parsaad! We Must live our Sikhi jeevan to the fullest. We owe this sacrifice to our Guru jee. Everytime we do mata thek, it is the same as saying, Guru jee i give you my manmat and in replacement i beg for a Gurmat jeevan..we are giving our heads. It is very important for us to attend ransbaee as much as possible, again and again. The spiritual attainment from Naam cannot even be compared with a single thing on earth. Naam is the ONLY true Wealth that leaves with us! Sadh Sangat jeeo, the future lies in your hands with Guru jees Kirpaa. JUST imagine the amazing atmosphere and energy in a Sangat if millions were to gather together and do Swaas Grass - simran with every breath, and imagine how powerful that vibration would be, i think the earth will start shaking!!!! *Sadh Sangat, Paaj Kaival Naam! Vibrate on Naam amongst the true congregation. I HOPE to see a HUGE increase of True GurSikhs....Guru ji says that, Akaal Purukh Vaheguru jee is ALWAYS waiting for us. It is only the wall of our ego that is so thin but yet separates us from Vaheguru jee. Lets do as many ardassa, as much Sevaa, as much Sacrifice for Guru Sahib so that Vaheguru does mehr/ pity on us and gives us the Kirpaa to live a Gurmat Jeevan. *JIN PREM KEEYOE TIHN HEE PRABH PAAYOE Pyario jee, lets put it this way, if we are not walking towards Guru jee on the maarag to Akaal Purukh/ SaachKhand, then we must be going in the wrong direct ion because there is no other way! !!!!LETS LIVE SIKHI TO THE MAX!!!! Lastly to those who have doubts in living Sikhi to its fullest (as there are no half ways in Sikhi & Male and Females have an equal position), here is what Guru Nanak Dev jee instructs his Akaal Purukhs lovers... *Jau Thoe Prem Kilahn Kaa Chau* Sir Thar Thalee Galee Meree Aau Eith Maraag Paer Thareejai Sir Deejai, KARN NAA KEEJAI !! If You Wish to play the Game of Love with me Place Your Head upon the Palm and Walk My Way. Place Your feet upon this Path Give me your Head and DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO PUBLIC OPINION!!!! Only do what Akaal Purukh has instructed for us! Guru jee was and is SO amazing that he could have left anything behind for his GurSikhs...but he chose to leave Guru Granth Sahib jee whom we are to treat as our living Guru ji for eternal guidance on Earth for every part of our life. Hence, there must be SO MUCH Power in Guru jee's instructions!! Remember, when we attend the Gurudwara Sahib next time, lets ask ourselves this one question... HAVE I TRULY REACHED GURU JEE'S DWAR/ door/gateway??? !!!vaheguru jee ka khalsa vaheguru jee kee fateh!!!

this is just to get the msg showing again!

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Taken from www.tapoban.org Author: Kulbir Singh Date: 11-13-03 19:34 As written by Bhai Nandlal jee, the majnoo of Vaheguru does not fall for a worldly beauty like Laila: MAJNOON-E-TAU KAI AASHIQ-E-LAILA BAASHAD || Our Guru Sahibaan expects his Sikh to be an Aashiq (premi, lover) not of a worldly beauty but of Vaheguru. In Siri Aasa kee Vaar, Siri Guru jee states: IH, KINEYI AASHIQEE, JE DOOJAI LAGAI JAAYE|| (What kind aashiqee i.e. love is this, that permits to love someone else, other than your beloved Vaheguru?) NANAK, AASHIQ KAANDHIYE, SADD HEE RAHAI SAMAAYE|| (Guru Angad Sahib writes that the true aashiq is so who stays forever merged in Vaheguru) Look how high the ideal of love in Sikhi is and how lowly the worldly (ishq-e-mazaajee) love is. Gurmat preaches that we should be such lovers of Vaheguru that we should stay forever in his yaad (sweet rememberence). Is there anything that the lovers of Vaheguru have not done for their love? The true aashiqs of Vaheguru have sat on red hot pans and had hot sand pour over them. They had their head severed in love for their beloved. They let the aggressors burn them alive in cotton but they did not even once let their love for their beloved one go down. They were cut in half. They were boiled alive. They were made to roll over the killer wheels. The aashiqs of Vaheguru gave their lives at one signal from their beloved Guru. They had their skulls removed for their beloved. They had their children cut into pieces for their beloved one. The aashiqs of Vaheguru spent their youths in jails but did not let their love go down. They kept their rehit intact and against all odds obeyed the hukam of their beloved. This is what aashiqs of Vaheguru did. What did Vaheguru do in return? Vaheguru in return gave them immense bliss of Naam Rass and gave them everlasting spot in Sach Khand. Now let us look at the lives of worldly aashiqs. They too sacrificed a lot. Kaiz who is popularly known as Majnoo gave up his royal status for Laila, his beloved. He went city to city for her and in the end perished in the deserts of Arabia. What did he get in return from Laila? Nothing substantial. Ranjha, gave up Takhat Hazaara and for a dozen years worked as a servant for Choochak (father of Heer). He became a diwaana of Heer but what did Heer do in the end? She married someone else and left for her in-laws at Rangpur KheRa. Poor Dheedo (Raanjha) become a jogi. Sassee perished in the desert for Punoo and Sohni pershised in river chanaa for Mahivaal. What did they get in return? This way we can give several examples of failure of ishq-e-mizaajee. In the case of Laila Majnoo, what could have been the possible peak of this love? At the most Majnoo would have married Laila. So is this an everlasting relationship? Not according to baani. On the other hand, Bhai Taaroo Singh jee had his skull removed by the Muslims, out of love for Siri Guru Gobind Singh jee. What did Bhai Taaroo Singh jee get in return? He already had Naam Rass and now he became one with Vaheguru and is now in Sach Khand with Vaheguru. I don't have any doubts over the intentions of Raanjha and Majnoo. Even Bhai Gurdas jee has praised their spirit and hard work but the reality is that the end result of this love is not that great. Reading baani we learn that the true aashiqs i.e. the Gursikhs of Guru Nanak Dev jee, succeed in getting good results out of their hard work. The worldly aashiqs too are of two categories - ones who are inspired by kaam (99%) and the ones inspired by love for soul e.g. Ranjha, Majnoo etc. The on es inspired by Kaam surely go to hell and the ones like Ranjha and Majnoo too cannot achieve anything high according to baani, because baani preaches that one gets what one aims for and if these guys Ranjha and Majnoo were to get their love, what would they really gain from that? At the most they may marry their love in the next life and then have children from them. Would it result in everlasting rest? No! It will surely put them back in chauraasee (8.4 million life forms). There will be no way out. According to baani, only those ones, who become aashiqs of Vaheguru, get any real results for their hard work. Rest waste their time. In the light of all this, is it not our duty to deliver ourselves by dying on the Amrit Naam of Satguru? Is it not our duty to never miss amritvela and during amritvela japp naam with full concentration? May Guru Sahib make us his real aashiqs. Gurbani is calling out to us, to take precaution during our youth. During the youth time, there is high probability of making a mistake that can leave a scar on the life of Gursikh for rest of his life. It is not worth it. Daas, Kulbir Singh

I have noticed from the beginning that bhai dya singh australia waale just does whatever creates 'fame' for him. THATS ALL! AND he is big headed on the way he talks about his life or other things, that is too obvious. So do not read into his opinions or teachings. Just leave it. He needs to try and look and feel more spiritual/ visually like this > :e:

veer ji, i think that statement contradicts itself Admin Note: Lets stay away from such controversial debates as per the forum rules.

Bhain Sarbloh Kaur jee, We are lucky that at this forum we have Chardee Kalaa Singhs to support the Sikhi fact that a Khalsa must wear a Keski/ Dastar. I say that because it us usually a Singhnee who understands the MOST why Keski 'n Dastar is SO important. As we have to usually suffer the injustices. A keski is simply the smaller wrapping underneath the main dastar. Guru Gobind Singh ji says that we must wear both of these!!!! When Guru Gobind Singh ji finalised Sikhi, he showed the actions that must be accepted by a SIKH or KHALSA. A Sikh/ Khalsa = Male OR Female!!!! But reality being Khalsa that has NO gender. THEREFORE, there are NO separate rules for men nor women. Everything is equal! Thats the beauty of Sikhi. Hence, Gurubanee states that the complete image is with a turban on ones head!! This simply CANNOT be argued. Sabt Soorat Dastaar Siraa The complete image is with the Dastaar on ones head. NOT just this...there are TOO many rehtnamas that justify this! And is the true command of Guru ji. Also heres an interesting quote Original Giani gave at Tapoban for you to consider Bhainjee --- 'Why Kes (hair) considered a Kakar? And we say that Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave us the Five K's.... Did Guru Gobind singh Ji give us Hair? Or were we born with it, along with the other features that GOD gave us?' Bhainjee consider this.... Since i wear a dastaar...do you think it is okay for me to be married to a Male Monaa?? I.e. Male without Dastaar!! SO how can it be okay for a Male with a Daastar to marry a Female withOU T one!!!! Another read: link link2 SOME MORE: --- Author: Balpreet Singh Date: 04-02-03 15:53 The most convincing evidence that Keskee was given as a kakaar at first amrit sinchaar comes from the Guru Keeaan Sakheean. These are records from Bhatts, or poets who recorded events. This is the most authentic record of what happened. These Guru Keean Sakheean were published by Piara Singh Padam. The following is a great link about these puraatan writings, dated around 1708: http://www.sikhreview.org/march2001/chronicle.htm Some of the most convincing passages read like this: "Assigning the word Singh first to his own name and thence to the names of all the Five Chosen Sikhs, Guru ji called out Fateh (the victory salutation) and raised aloud the spirited chant of Sat Sri Akal. "Thereafter, Guru ji pronounced, ‘on your rebirth in the Khalsa Panth, your previous lineage, caste, creed, calling, customs, beliefs and superstitions, etc. stand annulled from now onwards. Transforming you into the Order of Khalsa, I have endowed you with the apparel of the Almighty God, you shall have to keep its honour. Before administering this nectar of steel, I also bestowed you with five kakaars (Ks, i.e. defining emblems). You have never to keep them away from your body even by mistake. I gave you, at the start, a blue keski, kangha, kirpan, sarbloh ka kara and white kachhehra. In the event of the loss or misplacement of any of these, get its infringement pardoned in the Sangat by going to Gurdwara without any delay." Another account by a different bhatt in the same records reads: "Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Tenth Guru, son of Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji, in the year Seventeen Hu ndred Fifty Two, on Tuesday - the Vaisakhi day - gave Khande-Ki-Pahul to Five Sikhs and surnamed them as Singhs. First Daya Ram Sopti, Khatri resident of Lahore stood up. Then Mohkam Chand Calico Printer of Dawarka; Sahib Chand Barber of Zafrabad city; Dharam Chand Jawanda Jat of Hastnapur; Himmat Chand Water Carrier of Jagannath stood up one after the other. All were dressed in blue and he himself also dressed the same way. Huqqah, Halaal, Hajaamat, Haraam, Tikka, Janeyu, Dhoti, were prohibited. Socialization with the descendants of Prithi chand (Meenay), followers of Dhirmal and Ram Rai, clean shaven people and Masands was prohibited. All were given Kangha, Karad (***Karad is synonomous with kirpaan***), KESGI, Kada and Kachhehra. All were made Keshadhari. Everyone's place of birth was told to be Patna, of residence as Anandpur. Rest, Guru's deeds are known only to the Satguru. Say Guru! Guru! Guru! Guru will help everywhere." Other rehitnamas such as Bh. Daya Singh insist that all Sikhs should wear dastaar, but the Bhat Vehis leave no doubt that Keskee is a kakaar. ---- link3 LASTLY, you mentioned that if you wear one, your parents will not accept...but who is the one who shall give you the biggest sajaa/ punishment or judgment?? Your parents OR Vaheguru jee? Guru Nanak Dev jee says... Jo Thoe Prem Kilaan Kaa Chao Sir Thar Thalee Galee Meree Aoe Eith Maraag Paer Thareegai Sir Deejai KARN NAA KEEJAI Guru Sahib is saying: If you wish to play the game of Love with me, Place your head upon palm and Come my way, Place your feet upon this Path, Give me your Head & DO NOT PAY ATTENTION TO PUBLIC OPINION!! Bhain jee, i hope that you understand the GREAT significance behind Keskee being a Kaakaar...there is SO much Shaakti/ power behind wearing all the correct Kakaar. Even when a GurSikhs Soul leaves the body, the Kakaar remain on the soul and leave with the GurSikh...thats why we are to consider Kakaar as part of our body. Just as we cannot do without an arm, we cannot do without a Kakaar. The Panj Kakaar become our protection, armour, spiritual defense and the proud uniform of a distinct Khalsa!!!

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r u replying to Pheena

Khanda - double edged sword !!!!!!

Veer ji, i just wanted to say that i totally agreed with your 'very good' point... you made a very valid statement- that doing naam simran with movement does not show whether one is spiritually high or not etc! And that we should not even comment on ones spirituality. This topic was started by someone at tapoban msg board.

The whole essence of Dhan Guru Granth Sahib jee is NAAM.. Sadh Sangat Paaj Kaival Naam Vibrate on Naam in the Sadh Sangat! Its the most ridiculous argument to even question if naam simran can be done during Keertan! Naam is the key to SaachKhand! How can it be wrong...Guru ji asks of us to do Naam amongst the holy - Sadh sangat!!!!! Attend International Smagam, UK!!!! Nov. 12-15th Don't forget it! Don't miss it! DON'T LOSE OUT!! VAHEGUROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

WaheGuru Ji Ka KHALSA! Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! The UK Smagam (12-15th Nov) will be broadcast on Panjab radio, and will be accessible over the net via their website Punjab Radio The broadcast will be from 10pm to 2am only (UK time). WaheGuru Ji Ka KHALSA! Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! ps. unaware of the exact days of live broadcast, marf karna.

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NOOOOO These are made up in order to dellude people about Sikhi! They are absolutely incorrect. Things mentioned above are more or less practised in the Muslim religion or Hinduism. Not Sikhi.

That's the whole point... Sant and sipahee.. I think Amritshak concept is not to show off or neither it's some kind of permit for a person to carry 5k's etc.. Should neva think like that.. If one person want to carry 5 k's then why not take amrit? If they have soo much pyaar for 5k's and want to carry them, then why not take amrit?? Being a sipaheee (shaastar) without being the Sant (amrit) it's useless ! We talk about our brave history and how they fought in battlefield etc.. They did Jaap Wahegurooo in their Rom Rom while fighting battles.. It's not shaaster which made them to fight against odd numbers (Sava lakh).. it's the simran/gurbani! So at end.. I think Amritdhari Sikhs should be allowed to keep Kirpan ! VERRY GOOD ANSWER!!