Pheena

To whoever removed the quote i posted. Why was the quote i posted removed in the 4th post of this Thread? this is your site , you run it however u want to. I would like a reason as to why???? It said nothing against Sikhi or the Rehat Maryada. Waheguru

Vir ji i know u asked Khalsa Soulja this, hope you don't mind me sharing my thoughts on your question. Thoughts exist because you Fuel those thoughts by attaching yourself to them. A thought arises that you need to go to the bank, you being to fuel that thought by acknowleding it, then it triggers another thought that while on the way to the bank you should stop to get some gas. Which trigger another thought that gas is pretty expensive these days and i should try to find a gas staion with cheap gas......do u see where this is heading. Your mind is like a Secretary, It is the job of the mind to remind you of things to give you advice. But if you no longer need the secretary why would the mind talk to you. But it is very difficult to ignore the Mind. So a Technique in Meditation used that instead of being attached to your mind, become the Watcher of your thoughts. Whatever arises in your mind....watch it. do not feed it by agreeing with it disagreeing with it. Simply watch it. Create this distance between you and the Mind. When you being to watch the mind the purpose of the thought was to get some approval or disapproval. But since you do not answer to its command the thought simply fades away. Now Slowly your mind wil l begin to quiet down, because the Master (you) is not ready to talk to the Slave (mind). How dare the Servent (mind) speak up when the master is awake. When you are Unaware , your mind is overwhlemed with thoughts. But once you (master) have become aware of the thoughts that are being produced in your mind. The mind (slave) will not speak without approval. That is being Awarefull of your mind. When the master is not at home, the servants do as they please. When you are not aware of your mind, the mind creates thousands upon thousands of thoughts. When you are at home, the servants do not speak unless they are spoken to. When you are aware the mind is no longer the master of the house. Watching your mind, a sense of Nothingness overcomes you, because once the mind has been silenced who is there to produce a thought? Nothiness. Concentrating on that Nothingness is meditation. The purpose of meditation is for the mind to become Silent. You begin in the mind by reciting a mantra, but you do not end in the mind. You go beyond the mind into Nothiness. If you begin and end in the mind, you have gotten no where. The purpose of the meditation was for the mind to become silent, for it to become peacefull. i hope it helps Waheguru

Veer ji, have Patience. Sit down do not say anything, do not speak....just sit down without moving a muscle. you must first learn to sit without letting the mind distract you. You may be sitting down, but suddenly you'll have an itch on ur ear or u feel like moving your leg. IGNORE IT. Just watch your mind, Watch the thoughts. When you feel you are able to sit without having the mind double-cross you with a false itch or to make you think you need to move your leg or seomthing. it will become easier to sit without distractions and then you can start to recite the Mantra. Hope it helps. Wah eguru.

veer ji, One more thing, when you are meditating on any mantra by speaking outloud and your mind still wander. The most Common mistake is that you are speaking but you are not listening to what you are saying. So Remember to Listen to the words as well not just speak. You mind will become more centered because you are closing the doors from which the mind exists the world. Waheguru.

When it is said to breath deep. If you stomach is moving in and out, you are breathing deep.

where did u get that from??? So he can't touch his wife because she hasn't taken Amrit??? Please Explain Waheguru.

veer ji, Be happy that she supports you in your quest to take Amrit. Perhaps she feels she isn't ready for it. Let her deal with it on her own. But be there to support her when she feels she is ready to do so. Trust me when she sees that you have taken Amrit, within her a spark will arise that will guide her and who knows being in the company of a Gursikh Amritdhari isn't just a everyday thing Perhaps she'll get Influenced by you. Waheguru.

Waheguru

veerji, can't u just wear a less heavy kara?? Waheguru

are you trying to associate Sikhism with Jatts only???? :T: If so, let me be the firs t if anyone hasn't already...Whether you understand it or not, it doesn't matter, but the fact is you have no idea what Sikhism stands for. Waheguru.

i think it has alot to do with people not being able to understand his presentation. You can't truely judge someone until you have talked to him. NO one know why he said what he said. One has to understand his intentions. You can any Gurbani quote from the SGGS and to fully understand the quote you have understand the intentions of our GURU of why guru ji said that. NOTE: i am not defending the guy, im just simply saying we should not jump to conclusion until we have read the entire passage of his interactions with Sikhs. That quote is simply a paragraph from one of his book. Waheguru.

Very nice work ji, Curious, the Khalsa flag with Khanda on the left hand side was place by you or the original picture had a Khanda in it?? Waheguru

veer ji, You are not understanding what i am saying. You want me to follow the Rehat of SGPC, which is creating its own rules, is it not? it is not me who is creating this different Rehat, it is the SGPC, it is the Taksal, it is the so and so group of people. If you tell me to follow this Jatkha meat because SGPC allows it in their Rehat. I will question it because i do not understand the logic reasoning behind it. I cann ot follow something fully which i cannot understand. The SGPC is not my guru, that i will follow them without questioning. There is as much political agendas as ther are religious, if not more. I am not going my own way. If u had read what i wrote, i said, I follow our GURU. NOt my own Rehat. What i have is given to me by our guru. I obtained nothing for my self. I have nothing of my own. What i have is his, this mind, this thinking is his blessing. Guru ji gives an understanding of his rules thru his Bani. I will use them to find my answers. i will not blindly follow something. Waheguru has given me a brain to use, i will use it to comprehend what i cannot. I will use my GURU as my Master, but i will use my brain along with my GURU. What GuRU ji is teaching us is beyond the captivities of the mind, but before you can go beyond the mind, you must use the mind. It begins from the mind but does not end in the mind. If it begins in the mind and it ends in the mind. You have gotten no where. Waheguru.

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oh singhoo. i knwo what u talkin bout.. i agree with u ji.. but u talking bout the higher level...whic u are at..cuz the way u write ur posts and talk bout things...its no doubt u have kirpa of Guru sahib ji on u. but what bout peopel like me...there are paapi people like me out their who know nuffin(im not being humble...i really dont know ...) u said " those rules were for those who had no idea what to do. Do not spend your whole life reading a book full of rules." dont take me wrong here..but from these words of urs, it seems like u saying that ALL of us know "WHAT TO DO? " go t o punjab... go anywhere..and see how many mahapurakh U'ill find who "HAVE IDEA OF WHAT TO DO" so to say. why go far..this issue is enough too see HOW MUCH WE ALL KNOW n "WHAT TO DO" bout it :e: IF we knew what to do...this issue would've never come up.. :umm:: there wouldn;t be peopel saying.."meat is ok as long as its not muslim type" VS "no meat" THUS, we ALL"DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO"( should i eat meat as a sikh or should i not, i dont know..cuz Gurbani doesn;t clearfy this..and there is a split in sikh path over this issue :T: ).so those who are Gurmukhs, KNOW WHT TO DO, people like u veer jio know, and people like u(GurMukhs) have to GIVE PEOPEL LIKE ME SOME GUIDELINES(RULES) our Rehat Mariyada..so we can go on the RIGHT PATH...reach the TRUTH and not be cheated out(jus cuz we were ignorents/or unsure..that wont cut it when we at Sachi DARGAH and Lekha is asked) i knwo waheguru is not mean..and he an't waitin for us to SCREW UP...lol...but hello we in human life...its kaljug ..life circle is right there in front of us! i mean waheguru or DHARAM RAJ can ask us...he be like "if u read Gurbani..were u payin ATTENSION whenu were readin..meat is not for u" so what will i say to them? "oh waheguru jio, Panth decided it was ok to eat meat as long as it wasn;t muslim type..." then waheguru can ask "do u see anyone here who is muslim or hindu..u all were born..and were to follwo the religion/Guru(need a guru to get out of this life circle..im sure we all knwo this), that u decided to follow, who was ur GURU?, what did he tell u todo?" again!! i be stuck....wont knwo what to say..lol then u might be send back again.. as Guru bani says...all ur varats nem etc will go to waste, as kabir sahib ji said, whic is written in Guru granth sahib ji. anyhow im jus saying this, its not like i been to dargha :umm: but "You reap what you sow" and if we kill these animels, we will have to pay for it some day... its Panths duty to lead us to right direction and give us CLEAR CUT ANSWERS. Our teacher is SrI Guru Granth sahib ji...and GURMUKHS ARE our elder bros and sisters who gona help us understand what our Guru sahib ji sayin. followin these rules are jus STEPIN STONES for maahaa paapiz like me, when we come in rehat, then we read Gurbani we start out with what 5 tells us..its a slow process, dependin on our karams.followin Guru Granth sahib jis every hukum is like. is a far thing for a manmukh papai like me(dont kwno how many more lives i'll have to come back and finally reach my destny) this issue of eatin MEAT isn't something that should be taken lighly! (there are many reasons,spritual ones, GREAT LOSE!)...but basic thing is that this is causin Confusion and split in Youth/Panth) :D im sorry if i said something wrong..correct me.. this jus my openion ... if i dont make sence..then for give me as well :H: waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki fateh humbly jur sista(u is older so its ur duty to make me understand, nd tell me my mistakes : ) Piyari sister ji, Firstly i am not a Gurmukh by the outer appearence, i don't have long hair, i haven' yet taken Amrit. You see you have alread answered your own question. You do not need a comitee to tell you that. Believe in yourself. Whaeguru has writeen his Hukam within you. Find it, then you won't have to worry about it in the future if someone from the SGPC had a change of mind and they changed soemthing again...that will leave u in doubt again.I cannot tell you to not follow the Rehat of SGPC but I can tell you to Find the Rehat within you. You do know, When you start to walk you begin to realize that waheguru is guiding me. He will let me know if this is right or not. There comes a time when you have to start walking on the path. Do not spend you life wondering if i am doing this right and if i am doing this wrong. Then you will get no where. You are too worried about doing something wrong. But yet you forget to walk. You start to second guess yourself, is this right, i hope so....etc. What i meant by don't spend your life reading a book of rules, is that. Reading and Reading nothing is obtained. You must walk. You must fall, You must get up and learn from it. Do not get me wrong in this that i am against reading the SGGS or other holy scriptures. Rules are there for those who had no idea what to do. If you are still in elementry school then yes you need a set of rules to make you understand how to organize letter into words. First you learn letter, then you learn words. Then you learn to make sentences with those words. Then comes a time when you no longer need those rules. You begin to understand. You do not have to write on a piece of paper and work out the problem of what is 2x9. You do not have to go thru all of the multipications of 2 to get to 9. You have understood the basics. I myself have just begun to understand the basics...but that does not mean i can graduate already. If i have a question about someting, i ask waheguru, I try to find that within me....and i read Rehraas or a Hukamnama. I have found my answer in the Guru's Bani, not in the Rehat Maryada of SGPC. I apologize that i had generalized everyoen by that comment. But i feel almost everyone here needs a little push to give them some courage, that you can do this. You can Find the Hukam of waheguru wihtin you. Contemplaing on a book of rules that is bound to change, due to the some individual making a decision for you. What if they do pass this rule that Jatkha meat is ok. Will you eat it?? It will be in the Rehat. will you go against what the Waheguru inside of you is telling you or What the Rehat is telling y ou. hukam rajaa-ee chalnaa naanak likhi-aa naal. ||1|| He has written his will With you. I am not saying the Rehat is bad for all. Some need it to get their path Straightened out...but the changes they are doing to it is giving me second thought of the Authenticity and how many other changes are they going to do to it. I hope what i wrote clarifies few things... Waheguru

i believe it is may, june, july. Waheguru

thats good info ji, But where is this Rehat which was created by the ones appointed by Guru ji himself? Is the same Rehat now in the Hands of the SGPC which they do alter at will?? All I am saying is that If you are going to follow a Rehat then follow the Rehat of SGGS, not that which can be altered due to what one feels. Waheguru

You are assuming things now. What makes you think if someone cuts their hair, they are not sikh. So the outward appearence matter more to you then what lies inside of you. You want to follow the Rehat, which might tell you one day that eating Jathka meat is ok. Then that is fine by me. Who is asking you what should be added in the Rehat. Did someoen come up to u and asked your opinion. There are more than 500 people who sit there to crete this rehat. Are you Positive that just because they have hair on their head and wear Kirpan that they know what they are doing. If you think just by having hair is enough to make d ecision for whole of Sikhi, then i feel sad, that you cannot feel what lies within you to answer your own questions. Rather you believe what a group of people tell you what to do. Those same group of people who fight everday like a Parliment. It has become nothing more than Politics. Yes you need a set of rules. Those rules can be found in your heart. You do not need a Commite to tell you what lies in your heart. You should be able to find that yourself. those rules were for those who had no idea what to do. Do not spend your whole life reading a book full of rules. Let there become a time where yo don't need the rules, because one day you don't need rules to be pure. You become pure in itself by the grace of waheguru. Waheguru.

the Rehat which is written within you, The Rehat of our Guru SGGS. You see there will be discrepencies if you follow the rehat created by humans, because our nature has become to create a difference. to create soemting which we think is best. You can make your own Rehat. If someoen does not like that soemoen will create another one because they don't like that one. Same thing is happening in our Gurudwaras. In Austin there are not more than 50 Sikh Families Sindis Included. They could not even agree on ONE Gurudwara. Something happened so they split. NOt even 50 families can agree on ONE Gurudwara. And what make me think that we are all gona agree on ONE Rehat. Rehat which is due to change by the Mind of Man. They add stuff they take out stuff. Follow you heart. Pray for guidence on what you should do. Follow that which you find in the SGGS to the best of your ability. Do not worry if you mess up once. God is not just waiting for you to screw up so he can punish you. He is the forgiver of all Forgivers. Find him in your heart, once you begin to feel taht he is within you then you don't have to read the Rehat to follow it. You will find the Rehat within you. Waheguru.

sister ji, Why are you depending on the Rehat written in words to tell you not to eat meat. The Rehat which exists in you. Waheguru's hukam is the Rehat. hukam rajaa-ee chalnaa naanak likhi-aa naal He has written that humak within you, you do not need someone to write it on a piece of paper to tell you not to eat meat. It is what you feel inside and how you interpret that feeling that makes a difference. BTW this is just my opinion Waheguru.

so my question is that if they do put it in the Rehat that Jathka Meat is allowed, how many of you will follow that Rehat. Every time i tried to point out that Monas should be allowed to kirtan, most of you bought up this Rehat which now you don't agree with. Either follow it fully or don't follow it all. Most of you brought up the quote which Guru Gobind singh said, Rehat piyari muj ko sikh nahi. It was something along those line. So What Rehat was Guru ji talking about? The one created by the SGPC or the Rehat of SGGS???

I've been wondering for the past month or 2 about our Rehat Maryada. my questions are as follow: How many Rehat maryadas are there? Who wrote/writes them? Did our Gurus wrote any Rehat Marayda themselves?? I have heard that our Rehat has been changing from the time it has been created. And the Rehat Maryada of SGPC that we have today is from the 1920s. Any info would be helpfull Waheguru.

exactly, so what is important, how you feel inside, or what is written by the so called leaders of sikhism.

is this the same SGPC who created teh Rehat Maryada???. Now Almost all of you are following the Rehat created by the SGPC, now why not follow this?? They are the same people who created the rehat that Monas are not Sikhs and they cannot do kirtan.

ya'll say it don't matter peple will still come if you write the name of a person who will do kirtan or not. But you get upset when the name is removed??? So it does matter?? or it doesn't matter. all tha should matter is the date and the time of when the Congression will be held nothing more. It all become advertisement. Let those who want to come, be there for the Sangat and Gurbani itself not a specific person who does kirtan. When you begin to name people who will be there for the kirtan, it becomes a popularity issue.