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besides, the param is the thig inside the body that flys, not the body it self, tho it (the body) can happen (fly/ become close to weightless). tests have been done Re: NDE's (near death experiances) {scientific} no one has stated that the param is this. this is what i wanted to talk bout. the param..

scientifically speaking, moments after the big bang, gravity became repulsive which accounted for the necessary expansion of the universe. (note that im not touching on topic of the method in which the expansion of the universe has happened - inflation or the other theories out there). things as simple as electrons pop into and out of existance and create themselves. god has these attributes. so craizer things than flying have happened and are apparant fom the universe. getting closer to our soul alows things to happen that ppl duno bout.

the amrit vela for partakh sant, is 24 7. for ppl starting off as in all of us lot., its 3-5. for gurmukhs, its 1-6. 3-6 is the first peher of the day. after 5, is when the physical day starts. so this is y there is 3-5. 12.30 is another time when things happen. all will come clear to those who do AV (amritvela ). ima moorakh i dont do AV. start easy first, 3-5 innit. ull climb the avastha ladder and see what this means. the first peher = 3 to 6 pihlY phrY PulVw Plu BI pCw rwiq ] jo jwgMin@ lhMin sy sweI kMno dwiq ]112] after 5 am, the day starts

^ i agree

^^^^ hehe :angrymonkey: yes, thas standard. darshan of akaal purakh is what we want. but, i have heard (from our akj sangat) that there was one gursikh (known well in the back in the day sangat) that got dashan of ganesh for some reason or other as a punishment. im not saying that we should strive for the devis.. : / im talking about punishment. anyone know bout this specifically re the devis? ganesh hanuman raam krishna, seeta, anyone? and thanks HDSH :happybouncer:

does anyone know stories of gursikhs that have been given darshan of hanuman ji? iv heard of guruji giving ganesh darsan to ppl who are sikhs, but this darhan was given as a punishment i.e. to punish this gursikh, they were given darshan of ganesh. perhaps the same with hanumaan? would be happy with thoughts / >contributions<. n please, try not to laf too much it is a serious q.

if you consider yourself as guru sikh,then you can realise that the nitnem is the protection. if u do moolmantar 5 times, then anything anyone does on u, or has done on you, will become backward onto them. like, if sum 1 has cursed u, the curse will backfire on them. chaupi sahib paat is a true rakhsha di bani. do it 5 times, and you will feel things going away. keep rehet. do chaupi sahib so many times every day as this rehet if ur reely worrid. we have been given this rehet for a (so many) reason/s. dont forget that guru gobind singh ji says j~C BujMg su dwnv dyv AByv qumY sB hI kr iDAwvYN ] jaash bhujang s dhaanav dhaev abhaev thumai sabh hee kar dhiaavai | Yakshas, serpents, demons and gods-all meditate on You, the Enigmatic Lord! 　 BUim Akws pqwl rswql j~C BujMg sBY isr inAwvYN ] bhoom akaas pathaal rasaathal jaash bhujang sabhai sir niaavai | Yakshas, serpents and all creatures inhabiting earth, sky, infernal world and the lowest nether region, all bow their heads to You. meaning that any "thing" if it is a thing that has been sent after you, or that u feel that she has done summin, all come under the comand of guruji. we can do bani. they (the entities) cant. this y they wish to have human life so they can increase in avastha (we have chance, but dont do it : / - me included). so if everything bows down to almighty, and we ask for hamri karo haath de racha, then absolutely no reason to fear. id suggest to do as many chaupis as u can. need to do loads to begin with. do not worry. sukaal, kaal akaal (god) will protect u.

^^ haha! yarp. and yes, if u use ridh sidh for badness, guruji punishes u and takes them away as well. bottom line is that we aint posta use these shaktis for the outside world. in our naam simran, we need these shakties to get further up in avastha. no point in using kamaaee if it gets u lower. for ppl hu dont no, ridh sidh is on u tube. ill post links this oneis blatently true. good for scienific appoach jus cool cool also :D

hehe! this is what im asking you. its in the gurbani tuk >>> naanak , dukh, sukh, sam kar jaapai ;satgur tay kaal na garaasai. ||61|| O Nanak, when one looks upon pain and pleasure alike, through the True Guru, then he is not consumed by Death. <<<

just that what is ur veechaar on >sum kar , jaapai< in this gurbani tuk ?

yes, i agree. most people say that jupping naam makes all other tastes, tasteless. >peevtang sant na tripyate<. .. but how are we to understand dukh and sukh as one? teek a , we become indifferent to it. seetal. but, >sum kar , jaapai< has a deeper meaning. hat is the veechaar (not simple meaning) of this? i wud say it means 'samaj what dukh and sukh are, then you are able to jup naam' (teek a also that ,can jup naam anytime etc) what is your veechaar on sum kar , jaapai ? thanks jio

u measure an intangable quality, with other intangable qualities that you can control and that have in ur body. meditate, try to measure it, then ull see it true nature. a-tul and a-mitorj.

there ae 2 things that are braught in fromt of guruji to do bhorg, --> langar, and prashaad. there are other things that are dont in front of guruji such as the lives of his gursikh, we give our heads to guruji, at the amrit sunchaar infront of guruji. this is y we bow (well this is y those ppl who know about why they should bow, bow) . we do porg to offer food to guruji ; this is when the kirpaan is used (not dagger - a dagger is sumin else). the word bhagauti is ittrative in many forms of metaphore. god himself, the power of god, the vessel through which the power of god is rachaa'ed (rachaa = to create). in this case, the kirpaan. if you are hndu, you should be familar with the concept of a 'varat' meaning that the wives do not eat before the husband. this is not in sikhism, as we only have parvaaha for our guru. there is soething called seet prashaad back in the days, guru gobind singh ji used to bless the food i.e. eat, and then that food was distributed in the sangat. this is the blessed food i.e. langar. this still goes on today, the bessings from guru ji is given from the offering of food to them (guruji). this is blesed food given to the sangat. prashaad is different. its not langar. it is made by the recitation of bani, as well as naam. it is the mael of the four elements, fire, earth, water and air. fire from the heat to cook it, and earth as in rocks i.e. sugar, and maida, and air from the stiring. bringing these four together plus the bani that is read, makes it prashaad. the coming together of these four elements, not only have the capacity to hold a lot of kirpa, but it gives insight and information and describes on he intracacies on the soul and akaal purakh. the dificulity of the mergance. its not easy to rachaa prashaad. it is tough to walk the green mile (as they say). ingredants are simple, and somthing wil be made. but the extent to which prashaad is 'correct', is hard. thoughts and eyes are to be controled. which is why oly amridhari and rehet behet gursikhs are to prepare prashaad. i am against making prashaad souly for the taste at the homes of may ppl as to make prashad is a totally diferent ball game to make sum food. it is a utam sucham seva, reserved for the people who can accept the responsibility. its more painstaking than making a miniture for 5 hours. lota concentration is needed. as a side note, i have heard that guru gobind singh ji used to do the porg with the kirpaan as a sarabloh kirpaan (ferrous iron kirpaan) so that it would show any poison in the prashaad put in by peole who wanted to assinate the guru because, th poisons available showed up when the kirpaan was put into the prashaad. but this is what iv heard. lets do porg to ourselves. so we can finish off our calimaties. gurfateh :yeehaw:

and which chapters wud u recomend?

how u mean burn? agg deeya nadya?or.. ? wot? n iv got this buk so thanks for the refferal.

its not gods ego trip. thas as stupid as saying u walk forward cuz u wana fall over. : / kes is a tool given to us by god to jup naam. if each hair was turne into a tongue, then every monent of our existance would be spend doing 50 billion billion wahegurus, opposed to just using our single tongue. this is in jupji sahb. its up to us whether we step up to our destiny. or not, as per the case. : / read my other post on a different forum. iv posted the link in this thred :?

its a well known fact that flying is very possible. what other veechaar is there on the "param" in gurbani? the param is that which flys inside you. what other veechaar is here about the param? thanks :geek:

where there is not a soul in the body, you have a corpse. our soul is in every cell of our body. under the microscope, when a cell commits suicide, it flashes white. thas the soul leaving our cells. (our hirda is in our chest area, not soul - soul is everywhere in our body.) reason for stating this, we disguard everything that is dead from our body. we cut the dead nails, and coumb the dead hair from our heads from our body. why do u need to try to make a case against hair? if u dont wana keep it, dont. no need to create doublemindedness in ppl and try to mae a "case" against hair. gurfateh

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we keep hair to be in puran saroop. guru ji says, that those faces are ujal, radiend, and "beautiful" which serve the guru by brushing the charan of the guru. sy dwVIAW scIAw ij gur crnI lgMin@ ] sae dhaarreeaa sacheeaa j gur charanee lagann i| Those beards are true, which brush the feet of the True Guru. Anidnu syvin guru Awpxw Anidnu Anid rhMin@ ] anadhin saevan gur aapanaa anadhin anadh rehann i| Those who serve their Guru night and day, live in bliss, night and day. nwnk sy muh sohxy scY dir idsMin@ ]52] naanak sae muh sohanae sachai dhar dhisann i|52| O Nanak, their faces appear beautiful in the Court of the True Lord. ||52|| muK scy scu dwVIAw scu bolih scu kmwih ] mukh sachae sach dhaarreeaa sach bolehi sach kamaahi | True are the faces and true are the beards, of those who speak the Truth and live the Truth. scw sbdu min visAw siqgur mWih smWih ] sachaa sabadh man vasiaa sathigur maahi samaahi | The True Word of the Shabad abides in their minds; they are absorbed in the True Guru. only those faces are beautiful (sohne) that have a sacha dari, which is shown by becoming gursevak, and kamaa-ing sach. so it just depends if you wana be beautiful in this world, or the next world. again, make the choice. the beauty of this world, is only knee deep. the beauty of the world ahead, parlok, is infinity, and dont change. our >>kes<< (not hair n beard - hair is hair) kes give us charecter. it can be thought of a way to understand what kind of charecter god wants you to be. there is no better or worse charecter (associated with the "style" of the dari). just like there is not any flower that is not beautiful. they all are. just different varats (types). so make the choice bro. :glomp: if this guy in the pic can do it volentarily, y cant sikhs ?

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http://www.sikhsangat.com/Index.php?/topic/61332-what-happens-to-those-sikhs-who-cut-their-hair/ go here and read ma post

what do you think is the veechaar that comes from the following tuk? nwnk duKu suKu sm kir jwpY ( siqgur qy kwlu n gRwsY ) ]61] naanak dhukh sukh sam kar jaapai ( sathigur thae kaal n graasai ) |61| how would you describe the veechaar to another person of 'jupping' with looking at dukh n sukh as the same form?

ok so both the witing from the pic and suraj prakaash is from kavi santokh sing? and the last dohara is from DG. think bachittar naatak