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WJKK WJKF Thought I never have to request this but we in Gravesend have some issues where the committee are in discusssions. The issue is the new Gurdwara which is being built and some reps in the council have decided to have an open air film "Sholay" showing in the football grounds next to the new Gurdwara, here is the link::: http://www.gravesham.gov.uk/index.jsp?articleid=5751 This is against core values and principles of Sikhee...if this event goes ahead what is stopping bhangraa gigs adjacent to the Gurdwara?? At present there are ongoing discussions with the organisers..will keep people posted, however any support here is crucial.

WJKK WJKF Sun Singh jeeo, I have had a listen of the shaheedi jaap there is no jaap of bani here so how can that be higher and instumental in helping in question of this topic? Please don't take offense, the jaap seems to mention Shaeedis of our Guru Sahiban...how did it become a jaap? no bashing just seeking clarification

WJKK WJKF SGGS describes the mind's chaal or ways as tede--- in the same way snake travels sideways, we all have this issue, it's a natural tendancy for the mind to travel downwards first understand this completely. Our job in this life is to apply pressure to it to go upstream...being proactive in all of the three areas at least 45mins daily-- 1. Dharmic- i.e naam simran,Gurbani reading daily,Vichaar,introspection. 2. Physical - some kind of cardio fitness regime daily or at least 3-4 times a weeky 3. Educational- Again this should be on personal development strategies, or inspirational deep thought reading. Follow the above for 3 mnths OF applying the pressure proactively and report back here and tell us how you get on..

WJKK WJKF I have to stress hkaup jee is spot on 100% And also Dass007 jeeo how many times or have you ever done sehaj paath seva of SGGS Jee????

apologies 2.5 hours or 2hrs 40min ---10% of 24hrs

WJKK WJKF Before you make a drastic move in search for sadhus and sant, please question whether you have done the following: 1. 10% of your time 2.5 hrs naam simran daily then with kes ishnaan every day 2. 10% of your time in physical seva in Guru ghar- daily 3. 10% of your daswand from your earnings from an honest work- living goes to charity. Let's us know if you 've done the above and still there is no progress. Also listen on here too: http://santrendayasingh.com/newlyadded.aspx

WJKK WJKF After a few decades of these people running in the Gurdwara committees acros the UK their true colours are finally coming out. What goes around comes around sooner or later....always does. The same kind of thing is happenning in Gravesend..do what we want tell the sangat later or not at all. It stinks of pendo style running of Gurdwaras which will die out hopefully in the next couple of decades.The meaning of a Gurdwara has been belittled, no social structural support to the community, just take take only..The future isn't too bright at present as the youth with full time jobs don't have the time to run Gurdwaras,where are we heading in the next 10-20 years???scary thought

WJKK WJKF This Sikh should not set himself on fire as I doubt if it would solve anything however I do understand why, please don't take this the wrong way. India is a hypocrasy not a democracy...demonstration should be huge and on a MASSIVE scale. We have our internal issues with this as near enough 50% of the Sikh population is ill educated on the 1984 and are not behind it 100% in rallies and so forth, we need to re-engineer re educate them first. Our dhadis and kavishers that come over from India hardly ever speak on 1984 and shaheeds from that era -- we're are own worst enemy at present. "Sikh kadee naaah hareee jeea Sikh - Sikh nooo naam mareee" I enclose the justice India got for the Bhopal disaster : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/10411047.stm what chances have we got when the brahmin rules India....India is a failed state going nowhere fast..

WJKK WJKF Essay on Procactivity.....apologies in advance for any mistakes.. Being proactive means taking conscious control over your life, setting goals and working to achieve them. Instead of reacting to events and waiting for opportunities, you go out and create your own events and opportunities. Being proactive means that instead of merely reacting to events as they happen, you consciously engineer your own events. Most people think reactively. And reacting to certain events is all well and good. But it becomes a problem when that’s all there is to a person’s life — nothing more than instinctively reacting to stimuli. There’s a gap between stimulus and response, and within that gap lies the potential for us to choose our response. Four special human endowments give us this power: 1. Self-awareness – the understanding that you do have a choice between stimulus and response. If someone insults you, you can choose not to become angry. If you are offered a donut, you can choose not to eat it. 2. Conscience – the ability to consult your inner compass to decide what is right for you. You can make decisions based on unchanging principles, regardless of what is socially favored at the moment. 3. Creative Imagination – the ability to visualize alternative responses. By using your imagination, you can mentally generate and evaluate different options. 4. Independent Will – You have the freedom to choose your own unique response. You aren’t forced to conform to what others expect from you. A lack of proactivity can often be traced to a weakness in one of these four human endowments. Maybe you’re spending too much time in a state of low consciousness and never reaching the level of awareness necessary to make proactive life decisions. Perhaps your conscience has become muddled by societal conditioning, so you aren’t even sure what you want from life; when something doesn’t feel right to you, you look to others to decide how you should feel about it. Maybe you aren’t taking the time to visualize alternatives. Or perhaps your independent will is being restricted by the pressure to conform to others’ expectations. It can be argued that on some level, we’re always reacting to events, either external or internal. The difference between proactivity and reactivity can then be viewed in terms of what degree of “mental processing” occurs during the gap between stimulus and response. A proactive person will apply the four human endowments to choose a response (or to choose no response at all). But even more than that, a proactive person will invest the time to make conscious life choices and follow through on them. Applying the above 4 points with Sikhi principles or values how can one go wrong? Reactive people tend to be out of touch with their core values. Instead of running their lives based on unchanging core principles, they pick up temporary values from others around them. If no special opportunities come their way, they’ll stay at the same job year after year as long as it’s semi-satisfying. If most of their friends exercise, they probably will too; otherwise, they probably won’t. They go with the flow of the people and circumstances that surround them, but they don’t direct the flow. Their lives are largely out of their direct conscious control; they tend to only exert their human endowments when they absolutely must, such as if they get laid off unexpectedly (and even then it’s often to a minimal degree). But when things are pretty good, life is mostly on autopilot. Gurbani is clear on “Udham” and its benefits and how much we should strife to do udham . Proactive people, on the other hand, are aware of their core Sikh values, They consciously make key decisions based on those values. They create their own opportunities and direct the flow of their own lives. Even when things are pretty good, they’re still making conscious choices. Sometimes that means maintaining the status quo, while other times it means changing directions. Sometimes their values will align well with what’s socially popular; other times they won’t. Proactive people will take actions that often seem mysterious to reactive people. They may suddenly quit their job to start a new business, even though everything seemed to be going well for them. They’ll often start new projects or activities “out of the blue” when it seems like there’s no externally motivated reason to do so. A proactive person will still pay attention to external events, but they’ll pilot themselves to their desired destination regardless of those events. If a reactive person were to captain a ship, the ship would flow with the currents. This person would be preoccupied with studying the currents, trying to predict where the ship will end up as a function of the currents. If the currents are good, this person is happy. If the currents are poor, this person feels stressed. On occasion this person might attempt to set a destination, and if the currents are good, the ship will arrive. But if the currents are poor, this person will bemoan them and give up the destination for an easier one. If a proactive person were to captain a ship, however, the ship would go wherever the captain wanted it to go. This captain would still note the currents, but they’d merely be used for navigational purposes. Sometimes the ship would flow with the currents; other times it would steam against them. It matters little whether the currents are good or not; this captain will reach the intended destination regardless of the currents. The currents can only control the time of arrival and the exact path from starting point to final destination. But the currents have no power to dictate the final destination; that is entirely the captain’s choice. Some examples of reactive [proactive] language: • Where is the industry going? [Where shall I go next, and how will I get there?] • I Don’t have no time for nitnem or sukhmani or naam simran too busy? [how shall I make time slowly to form the link with SGGS or increase nitnem daily,weekly,monthly). How should I make time to do seva of tun (using the body in physical seva), mun (mind as in meditation naam simran) dhun( of ones earnings to daswand) • I don’t have time to exercise. [How shall I make time to exercise?] Is it OK to unfit according to SGSS “ Dhrig tena ka jeeva jo khai wadheyaa phaat” • How much money can I expect to make if I do X? [How much money do I want to make, and what will I do to earn it?] • I’ll try it and see what happens. [i'll do it.] • I’m too tired. [What can I do to increase my energy?] • I’ve never been very good at math. [How can I improve my math skills and enjoy the process?] • Nothing really inspires me. [What would I tackle if I knew I couldn't fail?] • What is the meaning of life? [What is the meaning I wish to give to my life?] Taking the pulse of others is a big concern for reactive people. They usually want to work at a “stable” job in a “good” industry, and they see themselves at the mercy of market conditions. If they manage to start a new business, it’s because they know lots of others who are already doing so, and they want to join the pack. They want to know what products and services seem to be doing well, so they can do something similar. If they fail, it’s because the industry isn’t doing well, or there’s too much competition, or because of some oft-cited external luck factor. Do you think that anything that happens “out there” will determine how successful you’ll be in your endeavors? Not if you’re proactive. If you’re proactive, external events can only affect your time of arrival and the exact path you take to your goal. But they cannot dictate your goal for you. Proactive people still get knocked around by the currents at times, but they’ll just keep readjusting their course to retarget their goals, goals which are ultimately attainable by their own efforts.Mahraja Ranjit Singh was a typical example of this if you read “Sikh raaj kevaa banyaaa”. Of course everyone has a mixture of both proactivity and reactivity. Pure examples of the two extremes are rare. You may find that you’re extremely proactive in one area, while letting other parts of your life slip into unconscious autopilot. So take the time to use your human endowments of self-awareness, conscience, creative imagination, and independent will to shine a light on those neglected areas of your life and consciously choose to get things moving. If you don’t like where the currents are taking you, then change course. Don’t wait for an opportunity to arrive; engineer your own. The reactive people in your life will often throw a fit when you do this, so let them, and exercise your independent will anyway. Even when everyone around you seems to be reactive, you can still be proactive. Initially that will probably feel like swimming against the currents, but if the currents of your life are leading in the wrong direction anyway, that’s a good thing. Although “going with the flow” is often considered a wise admonition, the level of wisdom in this advice depends on where that flow is going. For example: in the USA/UK going with the flow of our current state of health means becoming overweight or obese, living a sedentary exercise-free lifestyle, and then dying of either heart disease or cancer. India and Punjab following in this line too at present with ever increasing following western diets.Going with the flow financially means gradually sinking into debt and then dying broke. Going with the flow of our marriages means getting divorced (67% of Americans who were married in 1990 can ultimately expect to divorce, sources = Daniel Goleman’s Emotional Intelligence and John Gottman’s What Predicts Divorce). Going with the flow of our educational practices means never reading another nonfiction book after high school. Going with the flow of our environmental practices means … believe me, you don’t even want to go there. If you wish to live an extraordinary life, you often have to go against the flow that everyone else seems to be following. You can choose not to be one of the “XXX billions served.” In a way you’re switching over to being guiding by the flow of your own self-awareness and consciousness. You tune into your inner flow instead of being dragged along by the flow of external stimuli. Sure you may win the lottery or receive a big inheritance, but most likely you won’t just flow into wealth… or health… or fulfillment. You have to consciously choose these things and then follow up with committed action. Where is the flow of your life taking you? If you continue flowing along with the currents of your life as they are now, where will you end up? Gursikhe and its beautiful principles and values are absolutes even if you took one on , what will you never experience because those currents just don’t stop at certain destinations? How can you exercise your proactivity and your human endowments to direct the course of your life (regardless of the currents), so that you intentionally create the kind of life you want instead of just drifting along? As in the Nike advert “ Just Do it” – conclusion.

WJKK WJKF Brillant question......Character is the values you have been bought up with in this life sikh or not sikh the parameters built in to your habits/responses while growing up from a very young age ...To improve it you have align it with Sikh principles and values which are high indeed, even one value from sikh principles can change your life altogether. Ego- an inbuilt parameter, virus of the mind which we are born with and die with.." hau wich ayaaa hau wich gayaa" assaa di vaar-- topic too big to go in detail, however here is a start: http://www.gurbani.org/articles/webart320.html

Perfect Thanks and found this well worth reading and even visiting the village of such a mahan Gursikh yoda: http://www.shaheedkhalsa.com/brahma.html

WJKK WJKF Many Thanks Bro.. I do remember some bits about the jeevan of this mahan Gursikh it was way way extraordinary right from a very young age. Has anyone or you got some more information ??if please post here.

WJKK WJKF 100% spot on just a quick question the picture in the Leaflet is that Avtar Singh Brahma??

WJKK WJKF Jagtaar and Bakree Jeoo, both of your comments above are excellent, I really hope the chief organisers of this rally discuss the options suggested. To bring about change we need to change-- universal priniciple can be applied to anything...it is time for change on this rally's important tangets.

WJKK WJKF Not a personal one at all...SGGS mentions " Jenha saas giraas naah visraeee"........the aim is to adopt the breathing with mool mantar or gurmantar and the above method is a starting point

WJKK WJKF Ultimate disgrace, report them all to the Police including the committee ...this is Assault

WJKK WJKF Breathe slowly and deeply for 2-3 mins then do 1 mool mantar as taking one breath inhale in-- do paat with your mind not tongue do 3 mool mantars while holding your breath with your mind do one mool mantar while exhaling out that is 5 in all , pretty tought to do for about you may to start with 1 in 2 held and 1 out aim is to build consistency slowly till you can do 5 this way and it will be bliss and each day you will be bliss.. try and see.

WJKK WJKF Very informative post by Gadget Jeeo, if as you say this occurs and slowly and surely the support for the Sikh Channel dither if it contiues as in your post. The second part of your post is also enlightening that no matter what the mischeivous political agendas exist within any Sikh organisation, they will ultimately fail, as due to the reasons in that second part of the post which are crystal clear.

WJKK WJKF I agree with all of the above , but would also like a lot of sport, main Kabbadi tournaments, Wrestling to be shown from Punjab, especailly the main wrestling tournaments "shinjs" in Punjab. There is nothing in the SGGS that is against fitness well being and sports and it's an integral part of a Sikh way of life.

WJKK WJKF Appalling indeed, to be honest the whole of the UK Sangat needs to get together and tackle this with the requried robustness and put an end to these kind of situations. How do you do it? we have no Akal representative body abroad in any country. These mona /rodas are the biggest threat to Sikhism, they have no right to call themselves Sikh if they cannot bear the weight of any Sikh principle which includes the weight of at least mm of hair to begin with.

WJKK WJKF After further thought "Only five" response is correct, I had it wrong in making God only personal in my first response...apologies

WJKK WJKF Whatever you believe or which art you believe there is one key that was required and without it there is no way the Sikhs would've achieved what they did when they did. That is Mahraj's apaar kirpa and physical fitness to the extreme. So take a note and start on physical fitness every single day which is an important element in any art.

[WJKK WJKF Answers to your questions: 1. Personal without a doubt 2.Heaven in Sikhe is immersed in naam 24*7 with every breath and seeing the God's form in everything.You don't retain your personality but rise above to the personality of a Gurmukh from manmukh

WJKK WJKF] Sikhroots -- fantastic....seva....may Guru Sahib bless you more...........

WJKK WJKF Smagam was wicked , does anybody have the kirtan available out there from the smagam?