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Could it not be said that the corrupted Hindu/Brahmin fall under the category of the raksha kaum too? It can be said the the battles of Dusht Daman Ji and the Rishis against the rakshas have been replicated in Kalyug, not just as Maharaj's and Khalsas' battle against the Mughuls or Afghans or British Raj, but the Indian Government/Brahmin system too...

Who would be considered descendents of the devtay? All Hindus..does that include Budhist, Jain too? Is the Khalsa grouped into this, if so why then the attacks from the Brahamincial authorities?

Mohinder pal So according to the theory above, the Christians, Jews and Muslims (in short the Abrahamic faiths) should not be fighting amongst themselves as they are descendents of the Demons...What's your source for the above?

The problem is that Mr Sikh Channel himself (the autocrat Davinder Bal) does not really have a focused view on Sikhi and relies on "tilay talay" political people like Rana, Dhesi and Joga to lead panthic discussions. Rana was the one who did a whole show portraying the Ramgharia caste as a vakhra kaum. He was full of bottom kissing comments for the caste promoting prabhandak representatives on his show...

This official communication issued by Punjab's Intelligence just seems to be an excuse for the lack of any real proof. http://sify.com/news/punjab-s-new-worry-militants-not-using-mobiles-news-national-kiyp4dgfijc.html Punjab's new worry - militants not using mobiles 2010-08-24 15:30:00 Chandigarh: Militants who are trying to re-group in Punjab have a new tactic to avoid capture - not using mobile phones, which, say security agencies, has become a 'major handicap' in tracking these terror elements. A confidential communication from the office of Suresh Arora, Punjab's additional director general of police (intelligence), to top security officials has revealed that the state police and other security agencies are feeling a major handicap in nabbing militants trying to revive terrorism in the state. The communication, which is in possession of IANS, reads: 'Further learnt that foreign-based activists are not using local cell (mobile) numbers. They are predominantly making use of PCOs (public call offices or STD phone booths) to contact their conduits.' 'Militants not using cell phones is emerging as a major handicap for security agencies, making it difficult to track the movement of foreign-based militants in Punjab,' it adds. With hundreds of STD PCOs dotting villages, towns and cities across Punjab, given the state's big NRI population, Punjab Police officials say it is difficult to keep a tab on all of them. 'We can always track some suspect mobile phone numbers and listen to conversations. But when the militants and their conduits use PCOs, it becomes difficult to track them when they call up numbers in other countries,' a senior Punjab Police official told IANS here. With mobile phone numbers giving away information about their activities, militants are now using local phones to call up their links in other countries as they try to regroup. Sikh militancy raised its head in Punjab in 1981, but was stamped out almost completely by 1995. Punjab's Director General of Police P.S. Gill wrote to the Ministry of Home Affairs this month, pointing out that recent activities of militants trying to revive terrorism in the state indicated that Malaysia was being used as a new base by Sikh militants and their sympathisers. At least two to three militants arrested recently in Punjab have used Malaysia as a transit or stay point, police officials say. The input came following the arrest of some militants in recent months. Their interrogation revealed that militants are using their support base in Nepal, Malaysia, Pakistan, Germany and a few other countries to try to revive terrorism in Punjab. 'Though there is no question of mass support for the revival of militancy in Punjab, foreign-based militants are luring youth from Punjab by offering to get them settled in other countries if they join militant ranks,' the police official added. In the last three months alone, Punjab Police have recovered over 30 kg of RDX and other explosives. The explosives and arms and ammunition are being smuggled into the state from neighbouring Pakistan through the barbed wire-fenced border with that country in Punjab and Rajasthan. Much of the support for militant elements in Punjab is coming from foreign-based militants in other countries. Punjab Police are particularly monitoring the activities of militants based abroad owing their allegiance to terror outfits like Babbar Khalsa International, Khalistan Zindabad Force and Khalistan Commando Force. The Punjab Police communication says: 'Trends clearly indicate that the Sikh militants are depending upon foreign-based contacts. After coming to Punjab, they coordinate with their local conduits for accommodation, conveyance, etc., to carry out nefarious designs.'

I actually feel sick! The whole things just another mockery.. I am a bit confused...Is this a family clan or a samparday? If it's a samparday then Baba Hari Singh Randhawa travels to the UK regularly, does he know about this, maybe he can shed some light on what is going on???

Article in the Times of India using terminolgy like "Jihadists" and the use of drugs to create some hysteria towards Sikhs. Not the closing paragraph of this article: Sociologist Sharma says the problem is that Punjabi youth are ripe to be misled. "Most youth in the state are desperate to settle abroad and there is an acute problem of drugs and unemployment at home...(so) one fears such people could be converted by jihadis." http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/special-report/The-second-coming/articleshow/6389524.cms The second coming? Divya A, TNN, Aug 22, 2010, 12.46am IST Jihad: (noun) a holy war undertaken as a sacred duty by Muslims; any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle — Online dictionary Long before jihad became part of the world's vocabulary, India had suffered one and come out on the other side. For nearly two decades, till the mid-1990s, the Punjab militants' crusade for Khalistan ran its bloody course. Never again, prayed a weary nation, should Punjab — and the rest of India — have to suffer like this. But does any — or do all — of the following suggest we might be heading back to the future? In late July, five suspected Babbar Khalsa International (BKI) militants were arrested. The BKI is one of the oldest and best organized Khalistani groups and is infamous for masterminding the Kanishka bombing of 1985 and the 1995 assassination of Punjab chief minister Beant Singh. Pal Singh, a French national, was one of those arrested. Singh, whose age has been variously described as "54" and "in his seventies", was picked up from Dhandowal village in Jalandhar district. Police say Singh was in the area with the ostensible aim of teaching Gurbani, but it was a cover to recruit young people for a terrorist sleeper cell. There are many Pal Singhs moving around Punjab's villages, according to intelligence sources. They have foreign connections and operate under the garb of "religious or social services". Sources allege that their real agenda is to "brainwash the jobless into taking up arms". On the eve of the May 2009 Lok Sabha elections, posters of the dead separatist leader Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale mysteriously came up around polling booths in the state. Since then, Bhindranwale posters are increasingly being seen on cars and buses and pamphlets with extremist propaganda are being circulated. Harcharanjit Singh Dhami, president of Dal Khalsa in Amritsar, which aims to "establish a sovereign Sikh state, Khalistan, through peaceful means", says it is important to note that arms are increasingly being seized in the last year from scores of young men. "The guns may have fallen silent since 1995 but the Punjab problem will continue to resurface till it is not properly addressed," rages Dhami, adding that the Sikhs need to see justice done for the 1984 Sikh riots. Punjab DGP P S Gill informed the home ministry on Tuesday that terrorists wanted in Punjab had set up base in Malaysia and were sending arms and explosives to Punjab, as well as men to carry out attacks. This comes soon after reports that the Khalistan Liberation Force has set up a base there. The police believes the illegal immigrants in Malaysia, particularly from Punjab, are KLF's target recruits. It's a frightening thought, if you believe any or all of this. Intelligence reports say Sikh hardliners settled abroad are colluding with the ISI and Babbar Khalsa militants based in Pakistan and have now taken it upon themselves to provoke rural youths into committing themselves to the "cause of Sikhism". The brainwashed young men are encouraged to aim to achieve separatist goals through violent means, if necessary. In return, says a senior intelligence official, these young men are promised solid and sustained care for their families. They are also assured of support — financial as well as logistical — if they finish the tasks they are set and want to settle abroad. "The strategy is clear — with funds from hardline groups in the US and Europe and weapons and training from Pakistan, the Babbar Khalsa is planning to convert normal young Punjabis into extremists," says an official. The plan, sources claim, is for many Pal Singhs to fan out across Punjab. But the Sikh Organization for Prisoner Welfare (SOPW), a registered charity operated by UK-based Sikhs, has denounced Pal Singh's "illegal abduction and detention" and describe him as a civil rights campaigner. SOPW has been lobbying with the French and Indian governments to secure Pal Singh's release. But police insist he provided a valuable tip-off within the week of his arrest, enabling them to recover a cache of explosives and ammunition from Jalandhar district. They say he has admitted to "close links" with dreaded Babbar Khalsa terrorists. Sociologist Nirmal Sharma says: "Although the movement for Khalistan was comprehensively defeated in 1993, a handful of terrorist outfits chiefly supported by Pakistan and some non-resident Indian Sikh groups, such as the Babbar Khalsa International, continue to propagate the ideology of Khalistan." But exactly how vulnerable is the young Punjabi? And why is he vulnerable at all, 15 years after the militancy ended and Punjab was seen to turn the corner? Parmar Singh may be a good place to start on the story of why India's breadbasket may be about to repeat its tragic history. He is 24 and belongs to Ramdas village in Amritsar district, near the Indo-Pakistan border. He says his father, a farmer, "came under heavy debt in the last decade. We had to sell off our land to pay it off and sustain ourselves with what was left over. Today, I have no land to till, nor do I have a job. There are many boys in our village who have nothing much to do. Ours is a border village and there is a huge influx of drugs; many of my friends have become addicts." Sharma says Parmar is describing a displacement that can be statistically tracked. "As per the state's last Economic Census, there are 14.72 lakh unemployed youth in the age group of 18-35. There are hardly any opportunities or social security schemes for the unemployed. The young Sikhs of Punjab may not relate to Bhindranwale and his ideology, but they are definitely feeling alienated in the aftermath of the 1984 riots and are put off with both the Central and the state governments for neither giving them justice nor jobs." Many seem willing to allow their frustration to push them to desperate acts and often enough, these are meant to be their ticket to a glittering future overseas. Rattandeep Singh was arrested for planting a bomb in a car in Amritsar in May this year. His family was in Canada and he was keen to save money to immigrate. Harmohinder Singh, accused in the 2007 Ludhiana Shingar Cinema blast, had fled to Pakistan after the blasts, but returned recently to make "arrangements" for his family to immigrate to Canada. Pal Singh. Parmar Singh. Rattandeep Singh. A lengthening roll-call but not everyone is willing to sound the alarm bells just yet. Pramod Kumar, director of Chandigarh's Institute for Development and Communication, prefers to call it "footloose terrorism" rather than a "revival" of Sikh separatism. "There is evidently increased terrorist activity in the state, but it would be better if we don't call it terrorism," Kumar cautions. He may have a point. At present, the dominant discourse in the state is not terrorism but its very real problems — the plight of farmers, joblessness and water disputes. Kumar adds that insurgency cannot really take wing unless it has an academic blueprint and students and intellectuals are discussing it. Interestingly, Kumar is one of the few to point up a key fear — that the police is happy to stoke rumours of a revivalist insurgency in a bid to get extra powers. "It's better for them to nip such a movement in the bud and control this footloose terrorism here and now than to term it as a revival," he says. Former Punjab police chief K P S Gill, who played a key role in stamping out terrorism from Punjab, says that although there is "no significant pro-terrorist constituency" within the state, there is no reason to be complacent. "It's an open secret that efforts to fuel a revival have been constant on the part of ISI, exploiting the surviving rump of Khalistani groups in Pakistan as well as diaspora elements, principally in Europe, Canada and the US." Sociologist Sharma says the problem is that Punjabi youth are ripe to be misled. "Most youth in the state are desperate to settle abroad and there is an acute problem of drugs and unemployment at home...(so) one fears such people could be converted by jihadis." Read more: The second coming? - Special Report - Sunday TOI - Home - The Times of India <http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/special-report/The-second-coming/articleshow/6389524.cms#ixzz0xRkKEq4l> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/sunday-toi/special-report/The-second-coming/articleshow/6389524.cms#ixzz0xRkKEq4l

Found one reference. See link below. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LqkuYUv4Ls4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=verdict+on+India&source=bl&ots=Igo841mHl1&sig=sbXiX4q1BP3SDdd9pHNkvm75ewM&hl=en&ei=b51uTOOQE4WUjAe18eH7CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false Refer to Page 15, 3 paragraph down. Quote from book 'If you grant Pakistan,' they cry, ' we shall set up a separate Sikh State of our own. We shall call it Khalistan, and we shall defend it to death.'

In 1944, english author Beverley Nichols wrote a book called 'Verdict On India'. I came across a battered first edition (printed in 1944) in a charity shop in Camden a few years ago. http://www.archive.org/details/VerdictOnIndia There are clear references made to "Khalistan" in this book. I will scan the relevent pages when I get home this evening...but it highlights that the terminology "Khalistan" was in use in the 1940s.

At last a more truthful article from the Indian media...There has been "no official communication between the Malaysian and Punjab police forces", yet the rest of the Indian media keep reporting a load of twaddle! http://sify.com/news/malaysian-police-seeks-clarification-from-punjab-police-on-sikh-militant-suspects-news-international-kiuqudicgab.html Malaysian Police seeks clarification from Punjab Police on Sikh militant suspects 2010-08-20 Malaysian police has sought clarification from their counterparts in Punjab, India over accusations that the Indian Sikh militants are smuggling firearms into India from Malaysia. "There had been no official communication between the Malaysian and Punjab police forces. We will be contacting the Indian High Commission here to get details of the issue and hope the Indian government will contact us soon," said Inspector-General of Police Tan Sri Musa Hassan. It was reported yesterday that Punjab police were investigating alleged Khalistan Liberation Front (KLF) terror operators in Malaysia based on evidence linking at least four militants in Malaysia, reports the News Straits Times.here are reports that suspected Sikh militants are hiding in Malaysia, and are allegedly involved in the smuggling of firearms and making plans to launch an attack in Punjab. The Sikh Malay community, however, has reacted with to the allegations. "The Sikh community here is peace-loving and does not condone militant acts. We do not want to be perceived as militants and dangerous," said Malaysian Punjabi Chambers of Commerce and Industries President Senator Datuk Daljit Singh Dalliwal. (ANI)

Speak to the local Southall Gurdwara committee then or think about travelling out of Southall to the midlands. GNNSJ Gurdwara, Oldbury Gurdwara, Bebe Nanaki Gurdwara, AKJ Rehansabhis etc. Just a personal point...I was always told that you only give your head once, and the only time you should pesh infront of the Punj is when YOU have committed a Kurehit.

All of the above..... There's no denying the racist agenda plays a part in the western media and attitudes of the wider western population. But the political Indian agenda is always there in strength and is still governed by the superior Brahmanical attitude. Regardless of our vast global diasporas and 3rd/4th generations in many western countries, Sikhs will always be seen by the Brahmanical raj as renegade NRI's that need to be put in their place. What I don't understand is how the vast majority of us self labeled "jujharoos" can't still see this threat in the form of a Community Character Assisination. It's been going on for over 60 years and yet we still have no capability or gobal influence to counter it.

Jatha Nihang Singha Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! In my isolated upbringing I have never come accross the Sikh festival termed as Rukhr Puniya and I notice its on the Rakhri day, hence the reference Rukhr Puniya. I take it Rukhr Puniya also coincides with the Baba Bakala sakhi? What's the sakhi behind the referece to Rukhr Puniya as a pose to anything else? And I am also assuming that the festival no longer has anything to do Rakhriya? Many thanks

Excellent actions by the Canadian Sikhs (see article below). They are trying to do something proactively about the current global media "Sikh Character Assassination" programme. The rest of us need to follow suit, especially the Indian Sikhs. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/849697--sikh-image-tarnished-group-says?bn=1 Sikh image tarnished, group says Amy Dempsey Staff Reporter Tired of being portrayed as terrorists, radicals or extremists, a group of Canadian Sikhs have set out to improve their public image. The community image is tarnished, said Manohar Singh Bal, spokesperson for a newly formed Toronto-based working group on the status of Sikhs. We as a community need to look at all this and say, how can we make a new beginning? At a news conference Wednesday, members of the group announced their plan to produce a report they say will highlight the contributions and experiences of Canadian Sikhs. Bal said Canadian Sikhs have felt more discrimination in the past six months than over the last decade. The group traces that surge to public upset surrounding the release of the Air India inquirys findings in June and other recent news events they feel have linked the Sikh community as a whole to extremism. I noticed particularly around incidences that brought awareness about the Sikh community in a negative light that there would be comments made to me, said Jagmeet Singh Dhaliwal, a criminal defence lawyer and community activist who spoke at the news conference. [sikhs] have a very visible identity with the turban and the beard. So it makes the community more vulnerable, Dhaliwal said. Comments such as radical or extremist unqualified statements of that nature can be very inflammatory when you have a very visible minority. Dhaliwal, 31, said he hopes the reports findings will help promote better understanding of the Sikh community. Canadian Sikhs are a vibrant part of Canada and to understand any community you have to look at the struggles theyre facing, he said. The working group will ask for input from Sikh people across Canada, religious and cultural organizations, government representatives and academics. The report will examine the Air India inquirys impact, the way Sikhs are portrayed in the media, how human rights abuses in India have impacted those who live in Canada and the Canadian governments response to Sikh concerns. The working group aims to release the report in 2013. Satwinder Gosal, a Mississauga lawyer well connected to the Sikh community, says the media in particular is to blame. Theres a general feeling that theres been a hatchet job done on the way the [sikh] community is being represented, he said. Weve gone many steps backwards.

The fact that Khalsa Aid exists as a charity is relatively unknown to a lot of the wider Sikh community. The suggestions above are important as we do need to do everything we can to raise the profile of Khalsa Aid in the community. Perhaps when we (Sikhs/Sikh groups) do personal Charity events, we should highlight Khalsa Aid as our main charity. From fun runs to serious marothans, it's getting common to see Sikh participants but we don't seem to be endorsing the Sikh charities such as Khalsa Aid. I was watching a live Islamic Aid appeal on one of the Sky muslim channels in relation to the Pakistan floods. In one night of the TV appeal they raised over £500,000 from the European viewers and they were expecting to run the live TV appeal every night. Being the current pessimist I am, I wouldn't have much confidence in a Sikh Charity TV appeal raising anything of that amount. But if we focus on just one of our charities such as Khalsa Aid, we have a better chance of getting things moving. Personally....if you want to give daswand, put less in the Golak of the Committees and more in the Golak of the Sikh charities.

How exciting! I shall be more than happy to sign another direct debit mandate for another Sikh TV station.

Ask at the Nanaksar Gurdwara Southall as they can arrange an Amrit Sanchar whenever requested.

The Indian "intelligence" still adamant to point at Malaysia. Thinking about it Malaysia as a nation has always had a great respect for Sikhs. I visited Malaysia several years ago and was respectfully referred to a Mr Singh where ever I went. The local Malays, Chinese and Tamils really look up to Sikhs. Sikhs have a high profile in Malaysia in the Police, Media and Judicial system. You even see the national TV news being presented in Malay by a Sikh. It's another of campaign of demonising Sikhs in another nation, just like Indian "intelligence" have done in Canada http://www.tribuneindia.com/2010/20100818/main2.htm Punjab terrorism finds Malaysian address Police finds adequate evidence of arms smuggling Jangveer Singh Tribune News Service Chandigarh, August 17 Punjab Director General of Police (DGP) PS Gill today wrote to the Home Ministry informing it that terrorists wanted in Punjab had set up base in Malaysia and were not only sending arms and explosives to Punjab from there, but also men to carry out terror strikes. The letter follows reports that the Khalistan Liberation Force (KLF) has set up a base in Malaysia. According to sources, the Punjab Police claims that it has adequate proof that KLF terrorists, including Harminder Singh “Mintu”, earlier operating from Goa, and Harmeet Singh of Cheatta (Amritsar), have created a base outside Kuala Lumpur. It feels the illegal immigrants in Malaysia, particularly from Punjab, were KLF’s target recruits. Around 40,000 Asians, a large number of whom are from Punjab, have “disappeared” in Malaysia taking advantage of ineffective immigration control norms in that country. Though the Malaysian government has recently decided not to give visa on arrival to Indians, the Punjab Police feels there is need to share information on radicals from Punjab who have done the disappearing act in Malaysia. According to Punjab Police sources, the terrorists who killed Rashtriya Sikh Sangat (RSS) head Rulda Singh in July last year and were recently arrested in the UK, had fled to Malaysia after the killing. Pargat Singh, KLF terrorist who was arrested in July from Patiala on the charges of planting bombs outside the Indian Oil Corporation’s bottling plant at Nabha and at the Indian Air Force station at Halwara, also fled to Malaysia after planting the bombs. In April this year, the Punjab Police seized Rs 40 lakh “hawala” money that had been routed to Punjab from Malaysia to purchase arms and explosives for terror activities. Malaysia, according to the state police, has also become a favourite conduit point from where radicals board flights to enter India through Nepal and even directly to south Indian cities.

As manmukhs we can stuggle to think of death as beautiful but when looking at the face of Shaheed Bhai Jaspal Singh (above), who clearly refused to give up his Sikh faith when threatened with death, we are all struck by the peace and calm shown on his beautiful face, almost like the images we see of Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib Ji's head when Bhai Jetha presented to Dasmesh pita. The face of the Shaheed carries the same expression that it did in their life. Like the Mughals, Afghans, British and Indian Govt, the Taliban terrorists may have severed the head of Bhai Jaspal Singh from his body thinking they stole his life but they could not steal his inner peace or his conviction to Sikhi. Mahapurshs' tell us that, "It is better to die as Khalsa than to live as anything else." Not everyone understands such a sentiment. In fact it is impossible to understand for one who does not live as Khalsa. Life is precious and no one gives it up easily, but for a true Khalsa there can be no other possible life, no other choice.... Dhan Guru Dhan Guru Pyarae!

Pls check your PM.

I dont understand why Akal Takht sahib or any of our other leaders have NOT commented on this yet. I cant find any comments from anyone except Proud Khalsa Network. Its shocking that we have again got to this embarrassing stage and no panth “leader” wants to address the issues. Thinking back to 100 yrs ago when there was also beadbi of Maharaj's Saroop going on we were blessed with the likes in Baba Nand Singh who taught us how to respect Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji again. We are in that era again and need a complete re-engineered approach of our attitude towards our own Panth and our own Granth.

Are you sure? They used to but stopped serving meat and sharab in the hall around 2 years ago after pressure from the sangat. Please can you confirm this is still the case. Thanks

At last the issue was realised to big enough to be featured on a live Sikh Channel discussion programme. I am glad that the likes of Joga Singh and Amrik Singh gave some comments and that Sikh Channel gave some air space to the issue. Yeah..the panel were a bit too safe, not wanting to rock the boat by naming or shaming the specific committees. However, as a discussion show all that was done was a loose dialogue around the issue. The discussion finished in the Sikh Channel formalising a East/West Midlands Gurdwara committee. If anything, there should be NO place for committees from the following 7 midlands Gurdwaras who are responsible for the beadbi... Ramgharia Sikh Temple 6-9 Graham Street, Birmingham, West Midlands B1 3LA 0121 236 5435 Ramgharia Gurdwara Coventry 1103 Foleshill Road Coventry CV6 6EP 024 7666 3048 Ramgarhia Gurdwara Leicester 51 Meynell Road Leicester LE5 3NE Tel: 0116 221 6187 (Office) Ramgarhia Gurdwara Unitarian Hall 27-29 Waverley Road Small Heath Birmingham B10 OHG 0121 771 0680 Sri Guru Nanak Singh Sabha Gurdwara 118 Wellington Road, Dudley, West Midlands DY1 01384 253 054 Guru Nanak Gurdwara 1 Hadley Park Road, Hadley, Telford, Shropshire TF1 6PW 01952 411730 GURU RAVIDASS GURDWARA 181 Dudley Road, Wolverhampton. WV2 3RD Telephone: 01902 822 958

Politically we are unbelievably behind and immature. I was watching Sikhs Today on the Sikh Channel (from Khalsa Primary School in Slough) and a veer made a very valid point about Sikhs lacking a collective power and unable to tackle issues collectively. 26 years on we are still getting "stung in tail" and we don't know how to react. The formula of Sikhs being arrested in India is so known to us, yet we have no power or global influence in dealing with this familiar scenario. There's too much "pendu pauna" holding us back in achieving our true potential as global mediators. Some of you may remember Bhai Pal Singh appeared as kathakar on a slot in the Sikh Channel for a week about a year ago. He's an elder Gursikh who's committed his life to parchaar of Sikhi. Like Paramjit Singh Dhadi, if we can't see them as our fellow Gursikhs then we need to see that someone's father has been arrested and is being held without a fair trail. As a community we can't remain self-centred and then expect some quick fix when things go wrong. We are an educated, prosperous community. We have Sikh professionals in high places, all we have to do is channel our expertise in the right direction. We need to exclude our "pendu" thinking guys, who spend too much time on self-promotion and stand behind the real grafters to take leadership. Between us we have competent organisations like United Sikhs and Sikh Federation UK, we have barristers, legal advisers, very intelligent Gursikhs. We need to get together (and I mean get together and not wait for the next man to lead the situation), re-address the whole India situation and really start using our global influence to change. Call it a hysterical reaction, but from the way India gov't seems to be heading, there are clear signs of a similar Sikh "cleansing" exercise of the 80's/90's in beginning in Punjab. I think the Sikh Channel have also started a campaign to free Bhai Pal Singh. If so, then this will make the campaign high profile in the sleeping Sikh community.

You obviously haven't been alive for a long time. Welcome to the Human Race!