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here is the specific video where this bibi is speaking at the conference.

Before closing the thread does anyone know how to jhatka an egg?.........................i was trying to do it and couldn't figure out which end was the head. :biggrin2:

^ :lol2: :lol2: The meat discussion always brings the best out of people. It reminds me of the time I saw a dog eating his bowl of meat and a human walked by just a bit too close and the dog tried to attack the human. Don't mess with a dog's meat!!!!

Members that want to keep the highest respect for Gurbani..................should support the above new rule. If you support the above then write I support or hit the like button on this post. Let's get this rule implemented so others will show higher respect for Gurbani

1. Sure they can, but some like you in this case have taken the tuk out of context. 2. Well the Bibi can't get passed the idea that the body is not Brahman. If I were you, I would not want to club myself with her understanding. I think she had one too many chickens for lunch, hence she is being selectively biased on what Gurbani tuk to present. 3. Here we go again taking Gurbani out of context. Mod's/admins there should be a rule about when a member presents Gurbani. They should be made to present the whole shabad or pankti and if they don't and present one took then they should be made to present the explanation for presenting one tuk and then explain the whole shabad including the tuk.

^the above poster is very mad from a different topic. Just ignore him as he is taking out his fustration and anger on the Amritdhari youths.

1. There is a difference from studying other religious texts and understanding how they tried to understand what Brahman is to accepting everything that religious text has to say as the truth. Bhagat Kabir Ji Maharaj through Gurbani tells us to study other religious texts. As i said in my last post....Satguru gives guidance to all and there is no need to go outside, but the point is that even Vedant scriptures can teach more about Vaheguru than those who call themselves Sikh preachers. 2. Then read up on what Bhagat Kabir ji Maharaj says about your comment. 3. You should know better than to copy and paste one tuk of Gurbani, which takes it completely out of context. It was just the other day when you tried to present one tuk of Sri Anand Sahib out of context. Please refrain from such manipulating ways.

1. Vaheguru, this much anger in a person. Sorry for out smarting you their.............maybe next time. 2. Satguru paid people to do kirtan as did Satguru in his first form. Satguru in his tenth form used the same method when it came to fighting. However just like in his first form Satguru never paid anyone for a misdeed in his 10th form. 3. Read what I said again. I mentioned nothing about converts. You have not understood what I said.

Scared of reading Vedant scriptures? If you had read some of the Katha Upanishads or read up on Indra you would understand why I mentioned them when speaking about the Bibi in the video. Let me just tell you in brief. Indra was searching deep inside for many years what is Brahmam. After long enduring self-discipline Indra was told by Prajapati that what you see in the mirror is the self (atma). Virocana (demon) got happy and went off skipping into the forest and started telling everyone Brahman is the body. Indra contemplated on this and came to the conclusion, when the body vanishes the self would vanish. Knowing the self is immortal and is Brahman. Indra rejected such stupidity and kept on meditating. However sorry to say the Bibi in the OP's post can't even move past the first step and says the world is Brahman. She reads Gurbani and Gurbani starts off by telling us what Brahman is. Such people have the Guru slapping you in the face what Vaheguru is, but then you turn around and make the same mistake the demon Virocana did. The Bibi in the video obviously thinks shes some great preacher, So to give such people a reality check, who slander and completely disregard Vedant scriptures, they should understand even Vedant scriptures have more spiritual wisdom than them. Satguru gives guidance to all and there is no need to go outside, but the point is that even Vedant scriptures can teach more about Vaheguru than those who call themselves Sikh preachers. Satguru said in his 52 Hukams to study other religous texts, but keep your faith in Gurbani.

1. if some Singhs went off the path that does not mean you should follow in their foot steps. If they want to jump off cliffs and land on dead donkey to their death, do you want to do the same? 2. There is more to it than what is written or heard. No one was paid for a wrong action. 3. If tomorrow a Christian joins up with a Jew because they have a common goal does that make the Christian a Jew now or the Jew a Christain? The fact was that some Muslims and Hindus understood in order to live in peace, without oppression there is one oprressive force that needs to be eliminated. The people of that land worked together to get rid of one enemy. The Muslims didn't become Khalsa or Sikh and same goes for the Sikhs. The Sikhs didn't become Muslims while fighting a common enemy. Or are you against working with other people to reach one common goal of peace?

This Bibi has been misguiding many people. Instead of understanding the truth and then spreading the truth regardless of how many people love or hate you. These nastiks play with vulnerable peoples emotions and then set them up for failure with teaching them nastik beliefs. I had a discussion with one of these nastiks not to long ago and the person thought that this world is the Vaheguru. If you mention Indra, Vishnu, Krishna, etc infront of these people then they throw their hands in the air and say............never existed. Such people can't even learn from Indra's mistakes, but are making the same mistakes. However even Indra climbed the latter of spiritual wisdom higher than these people who have Satguru sitting right in front of them. Indra had it much tougher and still reached higher heights. I give much more respect to Indra than these people any day. Those that hold this Bibi in high regards. Go read Katha Upanishads and understand reality of Brahmin and atma.

Gurmukho this bibi is a nastik. Her understanding of Gurbani is very low, she is no different than Sarbjit Singh Dhunda. Gurbani tells us to keep traveling forward and we will be able to see the picture more clearly. But this Bibi has stopped growing in Sikhi and she holds a nastik view point. In all honestly I would tell a person to get spiritual wisdom from a Buddhist monk than this Bibi. Look how many fake Guru's had setup their own deras when Satguru Sri Guru Teg Bahudar Sahib Ji Maharaj was being seeked for. Today these same fake Guru's (nastik people) have step up their own deras. They have made dharma (religion) subject to the world's laws. They have put it in a little locked box and have thrown away the key. Focus on reading Gurbani, pronounication, understanding Gurbani in context, and stay away from people that have made this world their God, which includes this bibi.

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Have you seen how no one has answered the questions i presented as I asked members not to until ravkaur444 answers them. They showed total respect. I can respect that. But you have not showed one ounce of respect by ignoring me twice. Which shows you want respect from others, but don't want to show others respect. Therefore, you don't deserve any respect. You have nothing virtues to add to this discussion and are hung up on some fake story that does not apply here. And I don't care how long it took you or someone else to write it. It simply does not apply here. Take your fake story somewhere else. This is the last time I will write to your arrogant self on this thread. A child hopped up on sugar shows more respect than you.

Okay, I'll put it a different way. Take your story that does not apply here somewhere else. You have no clue what you are saying here. Let ravkaur444 answer the questions. Some people just don't know when to stop.

Satguru kirpa karaa...................somebody asked a question and rehat was presented. However Rehat will be presented on this site. If someone thinks presenting rehat and presenting what Gurmukhs did is wrong, then they should get off this site. First they didn't like evidence being presented about 3HO, now they don't like rehat being presented. No one is being rehat police as if that was the case then members addresses would be asked. Somebody doesn't understand what police do.......but that makes sesnse the same person didn't know what a threat is. Those that present Gurbani, Rehat, Bhai Gurdas Ji Vaars, Gurmukhs teachings are constantly being harassed here. Somebody can't present Gurbani or rehat on here without being called Taliban or being labeled as spreading poision. One day I hope such people are blessed with Satguru's kirpa

Your story simple does not apply here. If you would like to start a new thread then that is your choice. I would appreciate that you do not get involved in my discussion with ravkaur444. I would like to hear what she says on my questions .

The last line of the pauri says without the True Guru other Bani is false. The first line of the pauri says without Satguru, Bani is false (kachi Bani). The line you are refering to, goes with the line above it................so in context: ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਿਤ ਕਰਹਿ ਰਸਨਾ ਕਹਿਆ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਜਾਣੀ ॥ Then Satguru says this: ਚਿਤੁ ਜਿਨ ਕਾ ਹਿਰਿ ਲਇਆ ਮਾਇਆ ਬੋਲਨਿ ਪਏ ਰਵਾਣੀ ॥ Satguru is saying those who repeat God's name in their own way is trapped in maya (like the famous Satraj Satinder). Before intrepreting Gurbani, start with the first tuk and then work your way toward the end of the pauri. Otherwise Gurbani can be easily misintrepreted to suit ones mind. Also read pauri 23. What is Sachi Bani? Satguru says those who are blessed have planted this Bani in their hearts. But before this Satguru says, come beloved Sikhs and sing Sachi Bani. Satguru establishes that Bani that is sachi (true) is only the Bani of Satguru.

Before eating a meal there is one Shabad we recite. Can you tell me the second last tuk of that Shabad?

Satguru's rehat is taliban by nature. There is no deep undestanding behind it, just commands that oppress a whole religion from doing what their mind feels like. :biggrin2: The objective of the rehat is to beat down and subdue the people of the world, hence Satguru said in his first form that Khalsa will rule. Bhai Daya Singh ji made to spread this taliban rehat, but his heart really want to dance and sing to the beat of the mind. However Satguru rehat being taliban even Bhai Daya Singh ji was made to follow it and then to administer it to others. Satguru promised Bhai Daya Singh ji if he administers this taliban rehat then he will get a seat in Sachkand and will recieve whatever his mind wants. Next came Baba Deep Singh ji, who was adminstered just to teach Gurbani to others, where nothing else could be done at the school. The instructions were given to make these Singhs into fighting machines and tell them to eat little and go to sleep by 8pm. The most horrible torture of it all was getting up at 1 am, where the Singhs could not go out to have a night life. They were made to take cold showers and made to read this big long book that made no sense. It was full of Taliban stuff. Baba Deep Singh went to the extent of using magic powers to drive fear into the world that he can fight without his head off and he will come into your room at night and stand there if you given the title of Gurmukh. Such was his scare tactics. Next came Baba Gurbaksh Singh ji who used the same scare tactics. But today the real Sikhs are taking over and they are becoming more and more successful on implanting the real Guru on the Takht. This Guru was struggling for many years to come out because oppressive Gurbani and rehat was controlling the people. But today the real Sikhs have found out that this rehat and Gurbani (taliban stuff) is false, but we can use it against those Sikhs that still hold it in high regards. The real Sikhs have got a biologist and a famous artist to contruct a huge diagram of the human mind and the real Sikhs will be placing this on the Takht and then bowing before it. All plans have been put in place and the movement has gone stronger. Anyone that steps in their way will be labelled as Taliban stuff and the Brain Guru's army (US and RSS) will take them out.

I agree, once a person is hit by Gurbani arrow, nothing else taste as good. All you want is this raas and everything else is just dust. As Gurbani says everyone is hungry for that one thing, but only a few realize it.

You want to copy Satguru from the exterior, but do you have the same devotion, love, and follow Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj to infinity as Satguru? Do you have the title given to you as Satguru? You wouldn't give a child aircraft to fly by himself over the ocean or would you? Understand you and I are Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj servants, sons, and daughters. If you want to say i can do like Satguru, then why don't you start giving Charan di Puhal to Sikhs? Why don't you sit on a Takht and start blessing sangat with Satguru di kirpa? Why don't you give up your family to the battle of truth? The list is very long, but I hope you get the point here. Satguru gave his Sikhs the King garb. It is Bana, Dastar, and Punj Kakkar and shastar. Show me anywhere Satguru says that wearing jewellery, wearing make up or anything else you listed in your original post makes a person a King.

Sant Baba Kartar Singh Ji Maharaj heard that Bhai Amrik Singh ji started eating from other places and wrote to Bhai Sahib a letter telling him to stop it. And Bhai Sahib recognized his mistake and stopped. Sant ji showed Rehat is more dear to him than his son. Being the daughter of Bhai Amrik Singh ji does not give her the exemption not to follow rehat.Shaheed Bhai Amrik Singh ji hold rehat more dear to him than son's and daughters. Bhai Sahib followed in his fathers footsteps (Sant ji and Satguru ji). It is all judging going on, when someone says its so and so son or daughter. Couldn't some third party come along and say.............Sant ji is judging Bhai Amrik Singh ji from the outside by telling him to stop eating from shops. Third parties can make all the assumptions and judge Sant ji all they want, but they fall to ignorance because Satguru said: Rehat is more dear to me than a Sikh. This teaching did not just come up with Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj. Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj taught this teaching when his sons did not follow his command. Gurmukhs always taught that NO ONE is exempt from following rehat. Doesn't matter who it is. ALL must follow rehat. And Gurmukhs recieved this teaching from Satguru. If a son and daughter want to be respected the same way their Father was because of his actions and complete submission to rehat, then do just that and then no difference will be seen between the daughter and father. Remember Sant ji was very upset to hear that Bhai Amrik Singh ji was eating from outside shops. Bhai Amrik Singh ji climbed the latter and over came his low actions. Such a Gursikh will hold is father's and Satguru's teachings as high and depart from worldly relationships that make moh grow strong because a son or daughter is going against his father and Satguru.

1. This thread is about hunting not if someone knows how to use shastar. 2. Baba ji, I have told you the rules of the battefield as the Khalsa is to follow. I agree with you, go to the forest find some hikers or campers who are in danger of being attacked by a bear or some other aggressive animal and then go toe to toe with it. What better hunting training can you get. As if going after animals that have no intention of attacking you, that is against the rules of the Khalsa. 3. Baba ji, now you have changed your tone from the physical world to the spiritual world. We can discuss the spiritual hunting life of a Khalsa in a different thread. This thread is ONLY for discussing the physical "hunting" the Guru's did. Please stick to the topic. 4. I have wrote extensively on the topic of jhatka. However Gurmukhs that lived with Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Maharaj have stated that jhatka in the past had value, but in the last decades it has become a complete ritual to satisfy the tongue and nothing more.

carrying a shastar (not a weapon, learn the difference) to being able to hunt is a huge jump. An animal that is running away from you is not called training. Such behaviour goes against the Khalsa Panths battle rules. If you want to go toe to toe with a bear that is targeting hikers or those that go camping then take your bow and arrow, your sword and learn hand to hand combat. If you want to learn how to shoot a gun, then we have many advanced training grounds that have been digitalized to train the most skilled soldiers. Also there are training grounds in the open where live ammo is used to train. If you want to train for endurance then go run around a track and go hiking. If you want to learn how to fight then go get a trainer and once trained then go take on the dusht of the Panth