DalbirSingh

Na we would be fine just brainwash the kids into accepting sikhi

Besides the minority bit sikhs aren't going to behead someone or blow something up apparently by spilling blood your voice is heard and the media calls your community a peaceful one primarily out of fear and in attempts of spreading propaganda that you are actually peaceful so that you act peaceful. This halal process plant says they won't be storing beef but just mutton and chicken and it's going to be held at low temperatures so it won't smell, why don't they move to an industrial area or is this a free for all? If it is I think we need to do what americans are doing at the ground zero mosque by funding the opening of a gay muslim night club, next door. The ground zero mosque stuff is a horrible saga one man standing for it talks about how it will be good for cohesion, goes on tv talks about rights etc. But then publishes a book in arabic calling for a mosque to remark the site of the holy ones jihad on infidel land, the book was translated and when the guy was asked he says it's out of context and mistranslated.

Is there any rehat which says shoes aren't allowed? Perhaps if you can find some written evidence of it we could tell them they are wrong in writing?

Well it's one way of doing dawah and spreading the message

Should moneh be banned from giving donations to gurdwaras? Guru Nanak talked about the celibate hindus who used to eat from the householders and after eating from them they would curse them saying they would go to hell, guru ji talked about their namak haram or lun haram. If we are going to run gurdwaras from the hands of people who are going to hell shouldn't their donations be refused if that's the view of the sikh kaum?

At least fake it so you can try and convert them

We need Sikhs to be like this if you see 2 year old sikhs they are dancing the bollywood tracks or mtv songs with girls in bikinis dancing around. Plus this girl doesn't know who the misguided ones are they are the muhammadens. Where did mo emigrate to- medina? The guy meant where did mo run away to when people figured out his agenda. The most important obligation is Dawah through Jihad. Muslims commit shirk all the time for them the biggest sin is the ask questions to the mullahs which might reveal them to being fools. Pretty much a majority of meccans christians, jews and 3/4 of humanity don't believe the koran is divine revelation. Fools think sleep is death and allah resurrects them every night after dying. She is right about the right hand thing, the left hand is the kuffar hand to shake kaffirs hands with and wipe their arses with, the koran is held with the right as is food and a muslims hand is shaken with the right. The miswak is dataan, they beat wifes with it and haven't learnt about colgate yet.

From JanamSakhis Chapter 17 pages 102-106 TOUR TO THE EAST:AT KURKSHETRA http://www.scribd.com/doc/112312262/Guru-Nanak-Dev-Ji-His-Life-and-Teachings-by-Kartar-Singh-GurmatVeechar-com-pdf {KURKSHETRA is where Mahabharat was believed to have happened, the actual battle field and is today modern day harayana} After having visited all these places in Punjab, the Guru decided to proceed on long tours to places outside the Punjab. These tours are called Udasis. There is a good deal of difference about the order in which these tours were undertaken. But the most generally accepted view is that the first tour was to the east, the second to the south, the third to the north, and the fourth to the west. So we take it that the first tour was to the east. Mardana was his companion during this tour. During it the Guru visited important centres of Hindu religion. With a view to addressing his message of light and love to as many people at a time as possible, he visited the holy places on festive occasions. His method of approach was 'dramatic rather than discussional'. In order to draw the people's attention, he wore a peculiar dress. Then, on reaching among the throng of pilgrims, he proceeded to do something which was not only extraordinary and out of tune with the prevailing atmosphere, but also such as the worshippers would notice at once and denounce. He would then gently tum the tables on his critics, convince them of their error, and show them the true way to worship God. During his first tour, he wore a strange motley dress, consisting of a long ochre-coloured gown, with a while waisted-band, a conical cap in his head, a garland of bones round his neck, a pair of shoes of different designs on his feet; and a saffron mark on his forehead. [Puratan Janam Sakhi. p. 43.] Who could fail to notice such a one? With such dress, there was no need for him to advertise his presence. The first important centre of Hindu religion visited by him was Khurkshetra or Kurkshetra. He knew that a big Hindu fair was about to be held there on the occasion of the Solar-eclipse. He also knew what superstitions practices regarding the eclipse were current among the Hindus. He knew how on such occasions the simple, ignorant people them all from such senseless practices and bring them on to the right path. Reaching there, he sat beside a lake. People were busy in bathing and giving alms to Brahmins. They hoped, thereby, to clean themselves of their sins and to rescue the Sun-god from the clutches of demons; for they had been taught by the priests to believe that the solar-eclipse was caused by demons Rahu and Ketu-by taking the sun in their grip. If they were to succeed in engulfing and destroying the sun, the world would be plunged in darkness. Therefore, to ward off that danger people had to gather and pray at that sacred place, and give gifts to Brahmins. The Guru watched these deluded, misguided people and smiled. He bade Mardana play the rebeck. The Guru sang one of his sweet, soul stirring Songs. Very few heard him; for all were busy in washing off their sins and in rescuing the Sun-god. At that time a queen and her son came along. The radiance on the Guru's face charmed them. They bowed and offered him the only thing which they could offer, a deer which the prince had shot on the way. They prayed that the Guru might intercede for them and pray for the restoration .of their kingdom, which had been usurped by another. The Guru said, 'All is in God's hands. Remember Him and live in contentment under whatever condition He is pleased to ordain. I an sure that your love and devotion will win His pleasure and get you back what you have lost. I shall also pray for you. ' At the Guru's instructions, the deer was cut up and the venison set to boil in a big vessel. The smoke of the fire attracted the notice of the Brahmins and the rest. They had a superstition that to light a fire and cook anything during the solar-eclipse were acts of sacrilege. They were beside themselves with rage. They hurried to the spot. When tlley learnt that, of all things, it was meat that was on the fire, they yelled all the louder. This was a sacrilege which ,had never been committed there before, and on such a day when the Sun-God was harassed by his enemies. Some said that he was a great sinner, some called him an irreligious athiest intent upon violating established usage, others considered him to be a man of low birth who was trying to spoil the sanctity of Ule place and the occasion by his irreligious acts. They were all furious, They forgot their own acts of worship and charity. All yelled with rage. They swarmed around the Guru. They threatened him, abused him, jeered and swore at him. They were ready to stone him. The Guru sat calm and unperturbed. As they approached him, a smile of benevolent pity at their foolish behaviour overspread his countenance. When they saw the winsome smile on that calm, God-lit face, their heated brains began to cool, their wrath-agitated hearts began to throb less violently. Soon, all thoughts of violence left them. They came near him and began to question him about his queer conduct. They were not yet quite free from agitation. The Guru invited them to sit and discuss the matter calmly. They sat down around him. At their head was Pandit Nanu, who was very proud of his learning. He started a discussion on the question of meat eating. The Guru replied to Nanu's questions in a Divine Song which may be freely rendered as follows:- 'Your scruples against meat are based on a misconception. While you are too ready to wrangle about meat. you really do not know what meat is, how it differs from vegetables, and in what do sin and evil lie. Man is like all other animals in having a body of flesh. It is in f1esh and from flesh that this body comes into being. For nine months It is nourished in flesh. After birth, man sucks flesh for milk. On growing to manhood, he marries and brings home a bundle of flesh. He derives enjoyment from that bunille of flesh, his wife, and produces children, who are again but so many pieces of f1esh. So flesh in itself is not a contemptible thing. If it is evil to take meat, well, what will you say of your Rishis and gods of old, who used to kill animals and perform religious ceremonies therewith? How then can you take objection against my cooking meat on an occasion ofreligious sanctity? In your Vedas and Shastras meat is mentioned quite often and is not forbidden. How then can you defend your fanaticism against meat? 'The truth is that though you call yourselves clever and learned persons, yet, in reality, you are wholly devoid of true wisdom and knowledge. As I said before, your scruples against meat are due to a misconception. Let us consider the matter from another point of view. Man is like all other animals in having a body which needs food and sustenance; but he is higher than the rest in having a greatly developed mind and intellect. It is open to man to direct his mind towards the source of all life, light. and happiness, to sublimate his passions and instincts, acquire qualities that can raise him to the level of gods, and thereby attain a life of real power and bliss. In that state he raises no idle questions about animal or vegetable diet. He does not live to eat, but eats to live. He uses his god-given sense of discrimination, and avoids such articles of food and clothing as are likely to sow and tendencies, or as are prone to produce disease and suffering in the body. He lives in constant contemplation of God. He finds Him, and hence loves and serves Him, in his creation. 'On the other hand, it is open to man to let his mind get more entangled in the meshes of animal cravings. He then runs about like a wild beast. He lives to eat. His mind goes dancing about after objects of sensual pleasures. He becomes spiritually dead. He eats and drinks as his depraved animal nature prompts him. He suffers and dies, not as a man, but as the wreck of a man. 'Then there are others who cultivate their intellect in order to indulge in vain controversies, dry philosophies, and blind superstitions. They do not direct their thoughts to God. They can never taste true like of the spirit. Look at yourselves. You believe that by bathing and giving alms and charity to Brahmins, a man can wash his sins away and rescue the Sun-god from the clutches of some imaginary demons. What an idle occupation ! What a silly thought! Your hearts are impure as ever. How can bathing wash away your sins? The sun is at a huge distance, How can people of this planet help him, with their offerings to Brahmins or in any other manner? The eclipse is a natural phenomenon. Brahmins have made it a means of duping the people and relieving them of their substance; a strange religion! a stange piety! You boast of your abstension from meat and count it an act of great merit and piety, but you never think of eradicating the evils which deJile your mind and heart. You think it a sin to eat flesh, but you think it no sin to suck other people's blood, to snatch other people's rights, to commit adultery and a thousand other black and evils deeds. You believe that those who take meat are sinners; yet you accept gifts from those very sinner and deceive yourselves by the thought that your avoidance ofmeat will save you from going to hell, where your' benefactors are doomed to go. Isn't it a queer philosophy? 'Give up these idle controversies. Think ever of the true Lord, who is the source of all life and power, of all peace and happiness,Cultivate the nobler and higher powers and qualities; employ them in the service of God through man; control you thoughts from wandering in sinful channels; direct them to the source of all knowledge. Do not suppress and kill your natural animal craving for love, life, and sustenance. Rather elevate them and harness them to the service of God and man. Do not torture and disable your body. Itis the vehicle of the soul. Keep it strong and healthy. Use it in the path of righteousness. You will come to enjoy true life of the spirit. You will perceive God pervading everywhere. You will be one with that source of all life, Iight, love and power. You will cease to be dry, dead, and weak. Unbounded love, light, and power will outflow from you and help and raise mankind. So think of Him.' [1.-Malar di //.] 'Remember' , added to Guru, 'only such food should be avoided as may tend to produce pain and disorder in the body or evil thoughts and vicious longings in the mind. That is to be the golden rule in deciding what to eat and what ot abstain from.' At the conclusion of this discourse, all, Nanu and the rest, bowed in deep reverence and accepted him as their Master. He instructed the them in fundamentals of his faith. The place near the sacred tank where the Guru sat and discoursed, became the site of a Gurdwara or a House of Lord, named Sidhbatti, whence the Guru's teachings have been imparted to all who would come for them. ref sggs 1289

As for cooking remember they didn't have refrigeration back then, most people would cook and eat straight away apart from the roman civilisations who would apply loads of salt on their meat to preserve it even with halal it was cooked and eaten straight away. In short the restriction of eating meat was only that which isn't edible or will cause harm. We don't have outdated teachings which were set for one time but limit themselves, just because pork wasn't okay to eat at one point such as ancient swine flu they deemed it evil for eternity. Yet modern science has told muslims about foot and mouth for mutton, goat, sheep, lamb and mad cow disease for cattle beef. Had they eaten the meat then they would have been dead had western science not told them. Let me post a janamsakhi in another post and you can read it. He says by celebrating christmas you accept jesus was god, what happened to jesus being an islamic prophet stated by the false prophet mo?

the ramayan summarised lets review hunu-man role

UK riots what a time, peoples businesses were destroyed and sikhs who were standing outside protecting their gurdwaras also protected mosques, I remember seeing on live internet feeds muslims talking about converting sikhs then, on one feed mocking sikhs saying they carry knifes and are terrorists. Some muslims came on sangat tv, one muslim told everyone watching over that sikh channel (sangat tv) to the rest of the country to embrace islam and sangat tv didn't edit it out even though they were on a small delay and had time to take it out. Other muslim guys took the time to flirt with sikh girls standing outside while we had facebook groups with sikh girls flirting with them. It was shameful and then a muslim channel was talking about making special conversion dawah packs to give to sikhs after their fasting ended to convert them. Not to also forget the presenter of the sangat tv who was standing outside the hospital saying allah hu akbar on sangat tv after a prayer ended of one muslim guy dying. But besides the point we seem to find people saying those who don't keep kesh aren't sikh and anyone who ain't sikh has no right to speak about sikhi and when it comes to questions we also find a sense of individuals being fearful they might cause offence and individuals who respond to any question with anger, especially when they can't answer it.

Oh well may allahs curses still be on both of them http://www.jatland.com/home/Etymology_of_Jat#Early_Arabic

It's things like that, that make british writers write books which call asian culture a culture of sexually repressed people, who exhibit it further in aggravated behaviour.

They would probably react by saying don't do it but I would like someone to point to rehat which says don't is it just a build up of oral history? Besides that i'm too used to seeing random big bellied men sitting in white clothes with the name sant claiming to be god and telling everyone believe in guru granth sahib and not them but then has everyone bow at their feet and asking for huge sums of money.

this is standard british slaughter using a stun gun

In the halal slaughter the animal is also hung upside down when bleed to death. When you eat the meat you will find the usual veins and arteries still have bits of blood within it, but even still abit of cooked blood ain't too bad you will end up eating that with meat, blood contains iron, nutrients and all.

jinnah (may curses of Allah SWT be upon him) confessed to being from a brahmin family. Tyler's real name is Jagdish Kapoor, the kapoors aren't jatts they are supposed to be khatris but for our case we will call him a lala who sells bhal pooris or fixes shoes on small stalls.

I've heard people say only a gursikh can do katha otherwise these "lost" sikhs will do kintu printu "confuse" people. Have a read of what a guru pyareo said on the fb feed of this post: Sonya Nayun Im a innocent Sikh..I don't drink smoke or eat meat. I pray whenever I can I work for my money. I do roles at the gurudwara but for my fashion I cut my hair...does that mean I'm not Sikh? Sonya Nayun Sikh is Sikh mona or not. Sikh with a turban who drink alchol and smoke drugs and eat meat why should they have more rights?

Does a moneh or trimm singh have the right to ask questions or talk about sikhi? I see people shutdown moneh and trimm singhs all the time on various social networking sites such as twitter, facebook, other sikh forums who reveal themselves to be a moneh. People tell them to shut their mouth and go keep kesh and that they have no right to even talk about sikhi until they do that. What about for he who is without sin cast the first stone? Shouldn't we be non judgemental of moneh aren't we demonising, alienating, and pushing them away if we do so. Should we step in and stop someone doing that or is it good we push moneh like that since the gurus rigorously tested singhs as did older singhs to really step up to it. Perhaps if we were more respectful to moneh they would hijack sikhi and start their own manmat things like go on gurdwara stages and promote nightclubbing events. How about with Sikhs who don't follow our version of Sikhi who might drink a bit of wine time to time to get over depression or eat meat perhaps they suffer from health issues and need extra protein and don't get enough from all the vegetarian sources. Do they deserved to be shut down and told to keep quiet about sikhi? Should they be told not to preach it or get on stages to talk about sikhi? Is sikhi only for men in saintly guises? I remember hearing about nihangs in nanded hazoor sahib refusing to give prasad to people who trimm their beard or their hair, the prasad is only for keshdharis.

sex ain't just for reproduction, besides why would women want to go through 9months of a human living inside them, child birth pain, all the self confidence issues, all the life changing restricting issues in the 9months, all of the stretched out skin, postnatal depression, all of that hassle if there was no pleasure involved at all. Life is very pleasurable, the pleasure of intimacy, the pleasure of companionship, the pleasure of caring and being cared for it really does alot for you in life. Try and find someone you can trust, try and speak to them and see if you can trust that person, maybe trust them for a while with a few small things before you commit your life. Come on you are a guy these worries are supposed to be for women anyway.

I reckon he would have less success but he still will get jiggy with it even though he is married.

Black magic is rubbish your behaviour, communication, dressing style, hygiene, the perfume you wear probably drove her away or you were too boring. Get a new perfume fragrance or some new deodorant.

There was an idea put forth by the Sikh council britain that someone who isn't a sikh but wants to marry a sikh will have to convert now they aren't going to force amrit sanchar but they will have to prove their commitment of being a sehajdhari and to do so they will be questioned on sikhi, they will have to keep kesh before marriage they will have to change their name legally to singh or kaur. It seems people are convinced someone who has ulterior motives to convert someone slowly like this won't go to these lengths of doing these things. But we still have loads of gurdwaras who still feel it's fine. There are girls who want to marry say it's fine if it was a guy, and sikhi teaches equality between men and women but we aren't practising it even though there are more women sikhs statistically in the UK doing anand karajs in gurdwaras with non sikhs someone came out with a figure of 51% which is too high. All of those hard earned earnings people broke their backs for in the diaspora will go in the diaspora community through dowry to muslim guys eventually at that rate.

I know this won't be a liked view but I will put it out there, most sikhs of most castes don't really go out on the whole caste thing that much only jatts are and the jatts aren't under any brahmincal say to practise it, jatts view themselves as superior to brahmins and brahmins lower to them. It seems to be a problem amongst the jatt grouping and a limited mindset others are starting to pick up the caste trend to safeguard themselves from jatt take overs of their gurdwaras.