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Yeh. As they say in Hinduism...vinaash kaale vipreet buddhi.

Gurdsingh as you have admitted you have no knowledge about Sikhi or Gurmukhi stop wasting your and other peoples time. Dont argue about things u have no knowledge about. What this guy in the picture is doing totally wrong from Gurbani and Gurmat point of view. I will give you only one example from life of Guru Gobind Singh. Then you can carry on whatever you like, but then dont pretend to be a Gursikh. "Once Guru Gobind Singh after battles of Anandpur was travelling with his Sikhs. They came upon a Muslim Pir's Samaad. Out of respect he touched his arrow at the samaad, he couldnt bow as he was Guru so used his arrow to bow. The Khalsa, the Sikhs with him, saw this and told him it was contrary to Sikhism. So they decided to punish him. They contemplated for a long time as to how to punish him for mis conduct. Him being Guru they decided to fine him. Then they couldnt decide on the amount of fine. Someone said fine him 1000, someone said fine him 5000 or 25000 etc. Finally it was decided that Guru would be able to pay any amount but if tommorrow a poor Sikh faces similar situation how would he pay a large sum, based on precedent of Guru Gobind Singh. So they fined him only 25 rupees. Later the Guru told his Sikhs that he was only testing them as to how his Sikhs will conduct after he is gone." As for other members going to catholic schools, kindly compare apples with apples. The guy in the pic is not a Kid who has no other option for better education.

I didnt go to catholic school . And i didnt sing any choirs either anywhere. The daily prayer in our school was deh shiva and we wore kesri puggs. And we made many idols, mostly phallus out of fun, in our pottery classes and then destroyed them before the class ended.

Silk cloth.

Deity is not God. God is ONE, but approach is what matters, which for your kind information is NOT same in Sikhism or Hinduism or any other religion for the matter.

What a Shame ! But i am not surprised. A lot of so called Panthic Singhs are RSS or Hindus at heart. 'Sikhs' and 'Hindus' are brothers.

Why go to guruji after seeing the video of the blind doctor? are you even human? do you know what right to life is? people like you follow sants blindly because you have no faith in urself. lets assume the blind doctor is equally dirty but is that the way of the sant? throwing acid on an unarmed man by your goons? do you even know why hukamnama is taken and its purpose?

I agree with the punishment given to Ragi but this decision is purely political and partisan. Akal Takht Jathedar is a puppet of Badal. Let them summon people involved with Dera Sacha Sauda, including King Badal himself. Wait..wat about Sikhs attending Ashutosh smagams? Jathedars are no way better than dirty politians like sarna and badal. Akal Takht is fast loosing its importance in the minds of ordinary Sikhs.

pjs veerji the translated hymn is from Wendy O'Flaherty 'The Rig Veda'.

Did the hindu guy provide you with any sources? I would advise to read Sikh scriptures and understand them before arguing with fools. BTW heres the verse from Rig Ved (translated) the worshipper prays to the beast (as described in ved) rudra "do not kill those of us who go on two feet , or those of us who go on four feet" apparently shiv killed cattle too.

As per RIG VEDA the oldest VEDA, SHIV was a tribal who roamed jungles and took great pleasure in killing humans.

You think i am lying? He also did not have any kind words for 'all' of sants and brahmgianis. He blasted them in his writings, almost all of them. Have you met him? If you have then you should know.

Some of the teachings by the late Baba Virsa Singh 1. Dont read too much Sukhmani sahib as it makes you a 'sant' (weak) and then people walk all over you. 2. Read Jaap Sahib (infact he used to prefer Jaap over Japji, got this advise plenty of times) and you will become strong. 3. Jaap Sahib is Sikh version of 'Hanuman Chalisa'. 4. Khalistan is fake goal and is not gonna happen. Khalistanis are stupid and living in dream land.

I believe him to return as much i believe in jesus to return and judge people but i am sure if he returns today then 99% of people who claim to follow him or keeping his torch alive will vanish into thin air like 1984 only to come back and keep him alive again when hes gone. Situation will remain same.

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Bro first dont get upset but the people you see are still wandering as ghosts. They are 'bhatakdi rooha'. However seeing you fall ill and stuff they are hoping you to die and join them. But this aint gonna happen. If you were to die, you would be by now. TRUST ME. Start doing panj baniyan paat Morning 1. Japji 2. Jaap 3. Swayiaye 4. Chaupai 5. Anand Sahib Evening 1. Rehras Night 1. Sohila. Inbed before sleeping 1. Bilawil Mohalla 5 Taati vaayo na lagayi.... Do Ardas after every paat to Guru. You can do Sukhmani sahib and jap naam whenever you can. If you can then go to Amritsar and do full keshi ishnan in Sarovar. Bring Amrit in a bottle and drink every morning and before you sleep. If you can then on Sunday go to Shaheedi gurdwara baba Deep Singh Amritsar and take part in chaupaira. Try keep small shaster tied to yourself. Dont remove Kara. Try and do paat and Do Ardaas for the people you see to guru on the their anniversary. Have faith in Guru, he will protect you. Keep your mind focused on him all times.

You make it sound too simple. A law is going to be passed whereby anyone who cause communal riots would face the music. The large no. You seem to be so sure of is not the number you will see behind your back. A dera can cater to only so many people at a time. Dalits have far more lucrative channels to choose. Thou are living in a dream state. Sikhs dont have blame anybody but themselves. You are right but not the way you seem to see it. The people who voted against punjabi sooba were pandits and now they have realised their folly. SC s have nothing to do with it. We should have taken care of the busines in 1947, sadly none could predict that the future rulers of Delhi would become communal bigots. There are a lot of bandhua majdoors even in Jalandhar where your dera followers wrecked havoc. Who knows how many were hired by the dera for creating trouble. There are no badhua majdoors in gurdwaras or sikh religious places. Sikhs are not Police that they have to check and set correct every persons behaviour. Read some more scholarly work on Ambedkar and Gandhi before forming an opinion. Your views are twisted as your knowledge is nil as i can see it. There is no ravidasia religion. The 42% you are counting is mostly Hindu and Christians. Chamaars are just a small fish in this whole vote bank politics. Master Tara Singh gladely welcomed Ambedkar, but Gandhi had made clear there would be no reservation for Sikhs as they are casteless as per their doctrine. That is why Amdbedkar did not become a Sikh because he wanted reservation. It is another matter sikhs managed to get reservation for low castes who were Sikhs. You dont have to lie blatantly in order to push your twisted Dera objective. In doing so you have maligned the great Sikhs who came from all backgrounds. You have been shown earlier that the contribution of low castes was very low compared to other castes. Naming a few examples to support your racist views wont help you. If your saint was true then he would have followed SGGS and not try to push his political agenda over people. But you have been shown the door by the very people you think you commanded. Democracry makes sure that every voice is heard, but it doesnt mean you can dictate everyone. I would like to know how diverse is your dera in terms of castes. Can you put up the names of trustees of the Dera and all it leaders with their castes and backgrounds. You seem to rant a lot about low caste Sikhs, now lets see non-chamaar dera followers and leaders. So who is being discriminated? Have you read the book on link you were provided? What is your source of your claims? There you have the answer. I guess now it is the turn of Dera Balan, but you wont be able to do things Bhindranwale did. He stood up for what he believed in. He respected all religions. This shows your true colors. Now go back and post hatred for Sikhs in un-related threads. Your knowledge of history is ZERO and you have only HATE filled in your heart. You are being an over-zealous lover of dera and it makes you see things only in negative light related to Sikhs. And the path you have set out for yourself will help you achieve nothing.

whos is making grandiose statements? just becoz some member says lets get revenge doesnt mean all are going there and everyone agrees with that. After the killing of our brothers what kind of protests did you see in India? Peaceful only !! Sounds unfamiliar i guess as you people after the killing of your leader went berseck and burned public property and destroyed communal harmony by acting like goondas. No wonder no symphathy came from any quarters. Compare with us, you accuse us of killing Hindus, yet so many Hindus are protesting alongside us. For your info recently a Hindu was captured for being member of Khalistan Liberation force in Amritsar. I dont visit mandirs and i am allergic to racist people. Lets see how many non-chamaars are members of Buta Mandi Mandir trust and how many non-chamaars and jatts are trustees of balan dera?? How many non-chamaar leaders do you have for you little organisation? oh really? and i guess they killed your family and that is why you hate Sikhs so much. We know the reason why dont we? Plenty of Sandhus, Sidhus and Dhillons got killed and their livelihood destroyed. Was any non-sikh attacked?

Cant the admin put him under moderation and delete his senseless rant of this racist bigot.

harjits4 for your kind info sikhs did not lay claim to quran to form another faith and neither any fake sikh baba disrespected quran like your sant did. matheen can you not ban this guy when they dont allow any non-chamaar into their mandirs. Please it is my humble request put this racist bigots account under moderation before he destroys this thread with his hatred for non-chamaars and people who are good looking. Thanks.

Who is Taliban? According to one Muslim leader it is a Jew conspiracy. There is a video posted on forum where he makes this claim. Taliban is definitly not friend of Muslims. What he said in video "Sunni Tehreek has gathered today not to fight with anyone but to declare name of of enemy of Islam, who in the name of Islam damaged Islam. This group (Taliban) has been known by names of Mohtzilla, Khaarji , Deobandi, Tehreeke Mujahideen, sometimes Taliban and the present situation is such that the Masters of Akayat, Kharjiyat, Mohatzilla, Ismayali, Nujdiat and Taliban is same. The link that connects them is same. Sequence of events is same. Abdul Wahaab Nijdi (i think the guy who founded current Wahabbism in Saudi) in the land of Arabia destroyed the future and aspirations of Muslims. Mazarate Sahba, Mazarate Aali-bait, Mzarate Umma, Mazare Umme Rasool and Digar were too destroyed (by wa habi). And then the same Tehreek came to Hind (India) and ismail delvi, ahmad parelvi in the name of jihad used the name of sikhs misleading they are waging war against Sikhs but in reality waged war against muslims. The first muslim against whom ismail delvi waged war was yaar muhammad yagistani, is that the name of a sikh or a muslim? it is a name of a muslim. musalmaan went against muslims and with passage of time these groups changed their names and appearances and in present times of murders they are known by name of taliban. taliban and it's various groups are actually jew conspiracy against islam which has been going on forever. they work against islam and muslims wearing cloaks of muslims" link to thread http://www.sikhsanga...du-about-sikhs/ How does Wahabism relates to Jews? Does Saudi support Israel? Taliban supported Laden who is sworn enemy of Saudi govt. How does all this connect?

Instead of giving answers to questions that have been already tackled by scholars who put more weight on doubt, start seeking answers from namdharis. The biggest flaw is hiding of Guru Gobind singh to test his Sikhs lol And Namdharis have no expalanation of about hundered years gap between Ram Singh and the Baba preceding him. There is also a letter from Ram Singh saying he is not guru. Ram Singh and his followers could put anyone to shame for their acts of violence, the love for non-violence is pretty recent.

Their main gurdwara is built on top of where their main baba is buried. Musi style.