Gursikh Singh

The Sikh channel without doubt is a good idea, but the execution is extremely poor. And the thing is another Sikh channel is on the way. Things need to be done, soorch sumaj keh.

When do they need to reach their target? First it was by the 14th August, then by the end of the month,...I think now they've given up on a deadline.... :rolleyes: Didn't they need to reach this target by a certain deadline otherwise they were threatening that they'd go off air??

Yeah, let me know when you've given up Karah Prashad as well. :rolleyes:

The Sikh channel needs to make clear what they will promote and what they won't. Saying that they will promote Sikhi is far to high level. What's their views on Meat? Ragmala? etc. From what I've seen, the channel has been overrun by the AKJ, Manvir Singh and his mob. The channel needs to be totally aligned with the Akal Takht. People going on the channel, peddling the view that Amritdhari Sikhs cannot eat meat goes against the Hukumana issued by the Akal Takht. (http://www.sikhs.org/meat.htm) I'm not going to give money to a channel that supports these anti-panthic individuals. You're either with the Akal Takht or you're a renegade to the Sikh Panth. When the Sikh channel has people like Amanpreet Singh, (Assistant Controller of Sikh Channel), who believes only 'baptized' Sikhs should get married in a Gurdwara, that further persuades me not to invest in such an organization. They believe only 'baptized' Sikhs should get married in a Gurdwara, yet are happy to receive donations from non-'baptized' Sikhs. They are happy to say you're not a Sikh if you eat meat, yet they don't bar donations from 'Sikh's' who eat meat. What hypocrisy! Such an organization that believes in such hypocritical duality is doomed to failure. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/b006wqgk/Monday/console/ Money for the Sikh channel is basically money for the AKJ to peddle their views. So sorry 'Sikh' channel, you're not getting a penny from me.

That article was the biggest load of bakwaas i have ever read. Singhstah, do yourself a favor, next time post an article from a scientific journal, not some cheap online tabloid. I'm assuming our human ancestors and other human species cut stone spears just to scratch their behind. :D Just because other ape species eat a largely plant based diet doesn't make them vegetarian. Chimpanzees 'hunt using spears' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6387611.stm BBC documentary on the planet's ultimate predators. This episode was on Chimpanzees http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDFh5JdYh7I From 'Ape-Man, The Story of Human Evolution', Robin McKie, BBC Worldwide Ltd. The book accompanies' the television series ape-man, first broadcast on BBC2 in 2000. ISBN: 0 563 55105 4 Big brains come with a price-tag; they are highly expensive in terms of the energy they use up. Our hominid ancestors' evolving cranial increase would therefore have been impossible had they not turned to the consumption of foods rich in calories, such as nuts and tubers, as well as meat, which also contains a plentiful supply of fatty acids - essential building blocks for brain growth. It was this dietary expansion of eating meat that provided the nutritional kick-start for humanity's intellectual growth. Such culinary changes also stimulated a major shift in behaviour. The predecessors of Homo erectus were the australopithecines, who were, by and large vegetarians. Now mankind had to think about gathering a far wider range of foods, especially meat, which would have been obtained either by scavenging or by hunting. At first, the former practice almost certainly predominated. Attracted by circling vultures, out ancestors would have moved in to try to steal the leftovers of a big kill: an antelope left in a tree by a leopard, or a large animal, such as a wildebeest, that had been brought down by lions. Scavenging from under the noses of such dangerous creatures would have been a rather risky business but it would also have brought rich rewards. Breaking open the marrow-rich leg bone of an animal such as a wildebeest would have provided a massive dose of calories in a single, swift meal. This calorific input would have provided the resources needed to fuel the evolving swelling brains of humans, an input that would - in turn - have improved their intellects and therefore our ancestors' ability to find their own meat, for instance by enhancing their ability to retain complex mental plans of resources and to cooperate in dangerous hunts. Even then, humans would concentrated on small prey. Indeed, it would be a long time - many hundreds of thousands of years - before they would develop into the highly efficient hunters that typify the later stages of our evolution. Homo Sapiens and other human species. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sn/prehistoric_life/human/species/

Besides the fact that 'A Mars a day will help your teeth rot away', the company who produce 'the Mars bar' have now reintroduced animal rennet back into their products, citing the reason being a 'principled' one! Those Amritdharis among us who are religiously Vegetarian need to be aware that this product is not suitable for consumption anymore. On a side-note, most food such as these have in some way been handled by non-Amritdhari's during their manufacture, so if you're an AKJ Sikh (or a like minded one) you probably don't eat processed food anyway and make all your food from scratch. Anyway, here's the article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6653175.stm

People have the choice of either accepting the rulings of the Akal Thakt or rejecting the authority of the Akal Thakt, (joining the company of Kala Afghana and the other excommunicates).

http://www.britasia.tv/Program1.aspx?id=44 Notice that the presenter, Sanyya Gardez, her hair is thinning. I feel like saying to her, 'kaiya piya karr'

Mr N S Dhillon hasn't done anything illegal or contrary to the stance taken by the Akal Takhat. No Amritdhari Sikh in the history of Sikhism has ever been excommunicated by the Akal Takhat on the issue of promoting the eating of jhatka meat. Why? Because the Akal Takhat does not deam it to be wrong. In fact a Hukamnama issued by Akal Takht Jathedar Sandhu Singh Bhaura dated February 15th 1980 that Amritdhari Sikhs can eat meat as long as it is jhatka meat and that eating meat does not go against the code of conduct, Kurehit, of the Sikhs. Thus a Sikh cannot be excommunicated for eating meat. Akal Takht Jathedar Sandhu Singh Bhaura If you have an issue with this, then I'd suggest you take it up with the Akal Takhat and not Mr N S Dhillon. http://www.sikhs.org/meat.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_vegetarianism

Inciting people to do violence against other people who have an alternative viewpoint from us is wrong. Humans have a right to believe in whatever they want. If a persons views are offensive or shows no decorum or decency then that person degrades himself and brings into question his family's upbringing. I believe that there is a distinction between an intellectual viewpoint (like singh sabha canada) and mockery of religion, like dera sacha souda whose leader is just an oaf. Why was his mock amrit pink in color? It looked nasty. Wasn't Gurdaddi given to the Dasam Granth as well?

Where have I been contradicting? Can you show me? Do you understand or know what my point is in the first place? Sanskrit is the root language for Punjabi, like Latin is for European languages. I regard this as basic knowledge. Apologies from me that you required a reference for this basic information.The word Guru in the Oxford Engish Dictionary http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/guru?view=uk The word Vah, Waheguru is not in the Oxford English Dictionary. If Waheguru is not an english word then it can't be a universal word. (I don't think such a word exists...'ma' maybe...any profesional linguists on the forum ?) The word Waheguru must have is origins in a language. The Guru part is clearly Sanskrit as I have proven. The word Vah is definitely used in many Indian languages to mean wonderful. A word can have multiple meanings but it's origins are the same. For the word WaheGuru this is clearly from India. I don't believe God the nameless being paradoxially 'revealed' his name to be WaheGuru. An Indian word. Gurmantar, to remember God, was revealed in the Guru Granth Sahib. I already know this. So when Guru Nanak preached over the wide areas of the world he left Gurbani to the Turks, Arabs, Persian, Lankans, Chinese, in their own languages but wrote it in the Gurmukhi script? :rolleyes: err...yeah...you keep thinking that... :D Gurmantra is to remember God. This is universal For an alien to repeat a word that comes from a planet in a distant star system. This is specific NOT universal Yes, but you believe that they are restricted to use the indian word WaheGuru. That doesn't sound universal to me. Why can't they say WaheGuru in their own language? Why must they be forced to adopt a foriegn word? Or do you believe God is Indian perhaps? Gurmukhi is a script and not a language. While WaheGuru is a indian word. So do you believe that meditating upon God and remembering God are two distinct acts? If repeating a name of the Nameless One such as WaheGuru reminds you of God then I have no problem with this at all. If the message is universal, I can assume that you would have no problem with the word waheguru translated into the english language (thereby using english words) and to use that as Gurmantra. Like you said the message is universal. How can one learn a foreign language if he cannot relate it to words in his own language? For example, what does Oankaar mean in english? And once you've translated it into English, what meaning has been lost, if any? If none has been lost then why can't one say those words in the English language using Romanized script? "One Universal Creator God" If the meaning has been lost, then what chance does a foriegner have to understand it in the first place? So when Guru Nanak gave God's revelation in speech first, that wasn't Gurbani? It had to be written in Gurmukhi script before it could be classed as Gurbani? Come on then, enlighten me with your wisdom and let me know what the word WaheGuru means in English. You need to contemplate Gurbani by using your common sense, logic, and understanding to know what Gurmantra truly is. You haven't provided me with any Gurbani from the Guru Granth Sahib that proves your points, yet your asking me to prove mine, plus you haven't answered all of my questions. I'm not your slave to do your bidding. If you have the power to end this argument then take it. By the way, I'm using Camino on Mac (Firefox is unstable) so I can't see non-romanized fonts, sorry.

TWO WORDS PEOPLE! MacBook Air

The below is the example of the filth that PETA is promoting and supporting. No Sikh group should be supporting this. Drink Beer instead of Milk! http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2000/...-00dnews-13.asp Milk Gone Wild http://www.milkgonewild.com

Why's the first link an executable? Hmmm...I'd be wary. :gg:

ikrqm nwm kQy qyry ijhbw ] (1083-10, mwrU, mÚ 5) kirtam naam kathay tayray jihbaa. With my tongue I chant the Names given to You. siq nwmu qyrw prw pUrblw ] (1083-11, mwrU, mÚ 5) sat naam tayraa paraa poorbalaa. 'Sat Naam' is Your perfect, primal Name. http://fateh.sikhnet.com/sggs/translation/1083.html :rolleyes: Wah and Guru are both words from the Indian languages, (based on Sanskrit). Also if you actually read my post I said "how can a punjabi/indian word be the revealed name of God" Is Wah a Navajo word? Is Guru a Navajo word? If not, then how can VahiGuru be a universal? Would you accept that reciting "Wonderful Lord" or "VaheGuru" are both equal? Remembering God is universal, i do not disagree with that. Never have. Gurbani is written in many languages. Gurmukhi is a script. Guru Gobind Singh scribed the internal Guru Granth Sahib in Persian. The original shabads in the Guru Granth Sahib were originally written in many langauages, some being non-indian. There's are countless worlds in the Universe. Read the Guru Granth Sahib for your answers. What does your logic, your heart tell you? If you believe the Gurmantra is a specifc Punjabi/Indian word then of what use is it to the souls who live on other planets? Jio, Gurmantra is not restricted to a language, it is an action. The action is the remembrance the Creator. Any word can be written in any script of any language. So what? Writing the word VaheGuru in English doesn't make it an English word. :D Why do presume alien life would nesscessarily communicate using sound, they might not have a language based on vocalising words. They might not even have a word for wonderful. Again I repeat, Gurmantra is the act of remember God. This is truly universal. So are you saying that individuals must learn and understand Punjabi before they can become Amritdharis? Are you implying that Sikhism is restricted to the Punjabi language? That doesn't sound very universal to me? I think your the one suggesting that, not me. I never imply that all names of a langauge that refer to God are universal. Allah, Ram could not be undertood by aliens unless the meaning of the words have been translated into their own language medium. For example, ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ means Wonderful Lord in English. Most if not all of these questions can be found by contemplating on the Guru Granth Sahib. Your arguments are ridiculous. Your lucky I am even replying back to you. I normally leave people like you to live in their own ignorance.

Seen lot of fellow British Asian Singh's hand in hand with White women....I'm assuming they are married to them... :blush21:

I've studied and contemplated Gurbani and I don't believe WaheGuru is the only revealed name of God (and every other name of God is less in some way) , unless of course you can prove otherwise. Fact is if there is only a single source of truth and that truth is universal then how can a punjabi/indian word be the revealed name of God? Is God Punjabi/Indian? What about the other civilizations across the universe?, do they worship God? If they do, then have they been given the 'revealed name of God'? and if they have, then how could they undertand the meaning of the word VahiGuru? a Punjabi word of a language from a planet at a lonely corner of the universe? That is of course unless Sikhism is not a universal religion and is only specific for humans on this planet who have to have an understanding of Panjabi to get the true grasp of the doctrine. Please discuss. :D

Neither does your personal belief necessarily become Gurmat. Gurbani does support mine and Guru Nanak's view The fact is the wonderful Lord is nameless.

Isn't PETA against the dairy industry? From what I understand, they are against the consumption of milk and milk products as much as meat. Can I assume Sikh Sewa also want this? If so, what will become of karah-prasad? Do they want that to be dairy free?

On the BBC Asian Network Sonia Deol discusses the issue of why girls don't find Sikh turbaned men attractive. Not surprisingly a lot of the women on the show had shallow attitudes and this programme gives the international sangat an indication of the state of Sikh women here in the UK. However what I DID find very surprising is when a Soolha phoned in and stated he was dating a Sikh Amritdhari turbaned woman, and had been dating her for 4 years! :6 To download this programme click here: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...st&p=399257

Around the World in 80 Faiths - The Indian Subcontinent Discuss this video at:http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=42622 Screenshot Programme Information Pete Owen Jones journeys to the south of India to examine the mystery of Indian religions, including the transmigration of the soul and karma. Duration: 60 minutes File Information http://rapidshare.com/files/211708909/Arou...inent.part1.rar Size:200MB http://rapidshare.com/files/211710062/Arou...inent.part2.rar Size:33MB Note: Download all the files and unzip. Compression format .RAR Video format .MOV

The Big Questions - Series 2 - Episode 12 - Features the Kirpan discussion with Bhai Kuljit Singh from Leicester. Screenshot Programme Information Nicky Campbell presents from the Samworth Enterprise Academy in Leicester. Contributing their views are the radio talk show host James O'Brien; Baroness Verma, businesswoman and Tory spokesperson in the House of Lords for Education, Skills and Health; Rabbi Yitzchak Schochet, from Mill Hill Synagogue; and the young Scottish tenor Nicky Spence. Broadcast on: BBC One, 10:00am Sunday 15th March 2009 Duration: 60 minutes File Information http://rapidshare.com/files/210416827/The_..._Episode_12.zip Size:32931 KB (32MB) http://rapidshare.com/files/210429566/The_..._Episode_12.z01 Size:199229 KB (190MB) Note: Download all the files and unzip using WinZip. Video format .MOV

I believe and known that the Gurmantar is the act of remembering God. Whether this is by reciting Waheguru, Ram Ram or Allaya, the act of remember God is the same. Gurbani teaches us that God is nameless and has countless number of names of which devotees across the universe call him. It's unbelievable to think that the punjabi/indian word WaheGuru is the only name used by alien devotees across the universe to recite rememberance of him. Somehow I doubt 'the punjabi language is used half-way across the galaxy'.

Does the Sangat have other examples of views on Sikhism from non-Sikhs. (example, from the 'average man on the street', not some soolla with a hidden agenda).

Sikhs marrying their own cousins! What is going on! I MEAN WHAT THE <banned word filter activated> IS GOING ON!!! Now I find out Singh's are chatting up 12 year old girls online! What is happening to us? It's like we are turning into soolleh!! WaheGuru help us! :pray: