Sukhdeep Singhh

Singh Ji, I dont think we can refer to the swas as tangible. When the Swas come into contact with the paras kala of naam as destined it becomes part of the nirguna that is the all pervading illuminating light, but this invisible light can only be revealed by the Great Guru. The swas is immortal it has gone through numerous cages ( physical bodies) so I dont think we can refer to it as tangible because anything that is tangible eventually dies.

Sadly to say that story about the life station is the same story of Gurdwaras being built. Gurdwaras are meants to save peoples life but nowadays they are turning into social clubs. True, but we youth, have to find solution. We have to change it back into life saving stations, whichever way any of us can do according to the capabilities babaji has given to us. Put them to use, to be serving the community rather than always asking "what has community done for us?" Ask the question to ourselves, "what are we doing for community??" If we can find some answers for the questions in our day to day life, we are on right path, if not, then of course, the life saving stations would change into Clubs for socialization. Remember, we are and future generations (our kids) are going to be tomorrow's leaders. So better that we put our share by not only contributing but also preparing the little army we have or will have at homes (I mean our kids, even though they may be little yet). I agree but how many older people support the youth? The youth cant manage these Gurdwaras without the support of the elderly and the wider sangat. For example, there was a Gurdwara in Canada that was completely corrupt and full of manmat because of the committee members . Some youth decided that they will run for elections and change things around. With Guru Jis Kirpa they won but eventually the committee came up with false allegations about voting fraud and took the youth to court. These youth cant pay expensive court cases and not much elderly people were willing to help. The youth need to collobarate with those eldery people who are fair, reasonable and willing to make a stand then things will change for the better

Bhenji I hate to be so blunt but if you expect to have a good relationship by neglecting your inlaws who are your parents then Good Luck because it wont happen. Bhai Gurdas ji who is the key to understanding Gurbani mentions http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=5666 and mentions http://www.sikhitothemax.com/page.asp?ShabadID=6370 DO you want to be such a bride as the above shabad mentoins. Also Bhai Gurdas Ji states mW ipau prhir suxY vydu Bydu n jwxY kQw khwxI] maa(n) pio parehar sunai vaedh bhaedh n jaanai kathhaa kehaanee|| Renouncing the parents, the listener of Vedas cannot understand their mystery. mW ipau prhir krY qpu vxKMif Bulw iPrY ibbwxI] maa(n) pio parehar karai thap vanakha(n)dd bhulaa firai bibaanee|| Repudiating the parents, meditation in the forest is similar to the wanderings at deserted places. mW ipau prhir krY pUju dyvI dyv n syv kmwxI] maa(n) pio parehar karai pooj dhaevee dhaev n saev kamaanee|| The service and worship to the Gods and Goddesses are useless if one has renounced his parents. mW ipau prhir nHwvxw ATsiT qIrQ GuMmx vwxI] maa(n) pio parehar nhaavanaa at(h)asat(h) theerathh ghu(n)man vaanee|| Without service to the parents, bath at the sixty-eight pilgrimage centres is nothing but gyrating in a whirlpool. mW ipau prhir krY dwn byeImwn AigAwn prwxI] maa(n) pio parehar karai dhaan baeeemaan agiaan paraanee|| The person who having deserted his parents performs charities, is corrupt and ignorant. mW ipau prhir vrq kir mir mir jMmY Brim BulwxI] maa(n) pio parehar varath kar mar mar ja(n)mai bharam bhulaanee|| He who repudiating the parents undertakes fasts, goes on to wander in the cycle of births and deaths. guru prmysru swru n jwxI ]13] gur paramaesar saar n jaanee ||13|| That man (in fact) has not understood the essence of Guru and God.(13) There is a rehatnams by BHai Desa Singh Ji who had darshan of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. he mentions that anybody who disrespcts their parents will lose all godly knowledge. Without Godly knowledge there is no hope for Mukhti( liberation). By neglecting your future mother in law you are not only bringing a great burden upon yourself you will be bringing a great burden upon the man you claim you love. I have my ups and downs with my parents since we have different beliefs and customs but I think it would be unfair to neglect them since they raised me up. Its part of our lekht ( karma) for parents us to raise and care for us as children and in return we care and support them when they get older. Why would you want your mother in law to live by herself and be apart from her son. That would be depressing. I have worked with people who live by themselves and they are very unhealthy mentally, physically and spiritually. It is a Husbands duty to love his wife everyday, it a wifs duty to serve her Husband if she ever wants peace. This may just seem like traditional roles to you but in fact this is about spirituality. Guru Ji mentions man and wife are two bodies but one light for this light to merge the roles must be accepted and practiced with upmost faith. Guru Ji mentions ssurY pyeIAY kMq kI kMqu AgMmu AQwhu ] sasurai paeeeai ka(n)th kee ka(n)th aga(n)m athhaahu || In her father-in-law's home hereafter, and in her parents' home in this world, she belongs to her Husband Lord. Her Husband is inaccessible and unfathomable. nwnk DMnu suohwgxI jo Bwvih vyprvwh ]2] naanak dhha(n)n suohaaganee jo bhaavehi vaeparavaah ||2|| O Nanak, she is the happy soul-bride, who is pleasing to her carefree, independent Lord. ||2||

Sadly to say that story about the life station is the same story of Gurdwaras being built. Gurdwaras are meants to save peoples life but nowadays they are turning into social clubs.

I think the panth is in need of more Sant-Sipahis

Why are you under the illusion that Sikhs ate meat. People commonly believe that Guru Jis fauj had no other way but to resort eating meat to survive. We should never underestimate the almighty power of Guru Sahibs Fauj. Bhai Sahib do you honestly think Akal Purakh Ki Fauj was some unorganized and scattered militia who lived in desperation?. No way. Guru Sahib was a great general . The fauj was very much organized in which necessitites like langar was provided. Guru Sahib would arrange different units. Some would be front line warriors, others would be in control of medical facilities, some would be responsible of langar, some would be incharge of monitering the radar, etc. When ever a stratergy was based on the upcoming war. Guru Sahib would set up these different units in the right place. For example if a warrior was wounded there would be a medical facility close by and no the Nihangs did not do drugs. They took medication from these facilities to heal the wounding or pain. Also, when Langar was needed there were speical sevadars to arrange these things. Shaheed Bhai Taru SIngh Ji is an example of one of these sevadars. Even Guru Sahibs baaj had an important function. I mean Guru Sahib did not have it for show or asthetic reasons. The Baaj would fly high in the sky and moniter the movements of Khalsa Fauj and/or the enemy and send signals to a special unit which would moniter the movements of the Baaj. Guru Sahib was a military genius and beloved Father Guru he would never send his children unprepared or in a situation where they would break rehat. Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji says never go near meat ( meaning do not eat meat) so why would Guru Sahib make it that his Sikhs break his Hukum. Guru Sahib has always provided for his children. For example, when the Sahibzadey were in jail it was next to impossible for someone to get through the guards and meet Sahibzadey and Mata Gujiri. Yet Guru Jis Gursevak "Bhai Moti Mehra" who through Guru jis bean kirpa snuck through the guards and gave Mata Ji and Sahibzadey milk. Like Shaheed Bhai Taru Singh Ji, Bhai Moti Mehra Singh ji also lost his life for his langar seva duty. We should always remember these brave Gursevaks who fullfilled their duty to the Khalsa Fauj even if it meant that they would lose their life. Personally I think its a great disrepect to these great shaheeds when we say that SInghs in the past were lost and in wilderness and they had to eat meat. This is an insult to Guru Sahib Jis fauj, and all the shaheeds who sacrificed thei life for their duties . We should never underestimate the power of Guru Sahib he will always provide Chardhi Kala Langar for his Gursikhs. Are you saying sikhs had never ate meat as per recorded in history ??? what had happened what could have happened and what should have happened are three different things ... cutting hair is a kurehat sikhs gave there head but didnt gave their hair ... if guru sahib had said eating meat is a kurehat as its being preached today sikhs would have preffered death due to hunger then doing shikar to eat ... and sikhism is a simple religion either something is allowed or its not ... there are no conditions if this condition arises then u can do this ... its a simple to the point religion ... The only "SIkhs" whoever ate meat are the weaklings from the 20th and 21st century. Are you underestimating the might of the Khalsa Fauj. You think they were able to take on armies that were tens times there size just because of their marital skills. The Singhs had great organizational skills they were trainned in warfare and stratergie. They were the most competent Amry in India thats why they defeated the Mughals. What makes you think they were some Vagabonds wondering in the forest looking and hunting for food. You should have faith in Guru Sahibs power. Guru Sahib have always given them resources and they have always put them to use. Guru Sahib will give us resources when we decide to give up meat and follow rehat. Eating meat is a Kurheit especially since it says not to eat meat in Gurbani. In addition, Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji has said not to eat meat. You stated and sikhism is a simple religion either something is allowed or its not ... there are no conditions if this condition arises then u can do this ... its a simple to the point religion ... This is exactly may point Guru Sahib says not to eat meat . there is no situation or condition where a Gursikh can eat meat. Only the historians influenced by European Historians have mentioned SIkhs were in desperation and they needed to eat meat just so they can fill in the gaps and make their stories seem more logical to the cynical critic. Does who have faith believe that Guru Ji always made sure the Sikhs would never break his Hukum of eating meat to survive.

haha deal! and btw, sukhnidaan is prashad. it contains non-refined cannabis leaves. like ive explained in previous topics, most medicines that you will take for a mild headache will actually intoxcate you more than 5, small, un-processed, un-refined leaves. these are natural leaves gven by the nature of the planet. Thats interesting why is the word ( Bhang) aka Canibus used in the Buddha Dal Gutka when describing how to make "SukhNidan"

Oh, I agree that true Sants are very rare, but they do exist. Yes they do exist In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Thus it is imporant to search within Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji then searching outside for sants.

Actually, they were. Bhagat Kabir Ji calls himself a Sant in Gurbani and Bhagat Prehlad Ji is referred to as a Sant. Yes but Bhagat Kabir Ji and Bhagat Prehald Ji were of the highest spiritual vasta so much that they wrote and are mentioned in Gurbani. I can name thousands of " Sants"who get the title of Sant and are no way even near the vasta of these Bhagats. Nowadays if a Gursikh is from so and so's pend he is called Sant.

There is no such Prashaad as Sukh Nidan. This is a drug made by lazy inactive people to get high thats it. The only prashaad in SIkhi is Deg and langar which is made through love by reciting bani while the materials are earned by the honest labor of Guru Jis seVAKS.

I walk to my car, lol

Why are you under the illusion that Sikhs ate meat. People commonly believe that Guru Jis fauj had no other way but to resort eating meat to survive. We should never underestimate the almighty power of Guru Sahibs Fauj. Bhai Sahib do you honestly think Akal Purakh Ki Fauj was some unorganized and scattered militia who lived in desperation?. No way. Guru Sahib was a great general . The fauj was very much organized in which necessitites like langar was provided. Guru Sahib would arrange different units. Some would be front line warriors, others would be in control of medical facilities, some would be responsible of langar, some would be incharge of monitering the radar, etc. When ever a stratergy was based on the upcoming war. Guru Sahib would set up these different units in the right place. For example if a warrior was wounded there would be a medical facility close by and no the Nihangs did not do drugs. They took medication from these facilities to heal the wounding or pain. Also, when Langar was needed there were speical sevadars to arrange these things. Shaheed Bhai Taru SIngh Ji is an example of one of these sevadars. Even Guru Sahibs baaj had an important function. I mean Guru Sahib did not have it for show or asthetic reasons. The Baaj would fly high in the sky and moniter the movements of Khalsa Fauj and/or the enemy and send signals to a special unit which would moniter the movements of the Baaj. Guru Sahib was a military genius and beloved Father Guru he would never send his children unprepared or in a situation where they would break rehat. Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji says never go near meat ( meaning do not eat meat) so why would Guru Sahib make it that his Sikhs break his Hukum. Guru Sahib has always provided for his children. For example, when the Sahibzadey were in jail it was next to impossible for someone to get through the guards and meet Sahibzadey and Mata Gujiri. Yet Guru Jis Gursevak "Bhai Moti Mehra" who through Guru jis bean kirpa snuck through the guards and gave Mata Ji and Sahibzadey milk. Like Shaheed Bhai Taru Singh Ji, Bhai Moti Mehra Singh ji also lost his life for his langar seva duty. We should always remember these brave Gursevaks who fullfilled their duty to the Khalsa Fauj even if it meant that they would lose their life. Personally I think its a great disrepect to these great shaheeds when we say that SInghs in the past were lost and in wilderness and they had to eat meat. This is an insult to Guru Sahib Jis fauj, and all the shaheeds who sacrificed thei life for their duties . We should never underestimate the power of Guru Sahib he will always provide Chardhi Kala Langar for his Gursikhs.

Not one of us said GuruJi "hated" anyone, but excommunicated them, and that was to his very own son. That is "IF" veerji "IF". but do people that overlook Amritvela do they "truly" know how to prove to Guru Sahib that they beg for forgiveness or do they do a short quick prayer and continue the nonsense ?????? We can go around trying to beg people to actually follow Gurmat but only if God wills them to do it will it manifest. We can tell campfire stories and do parchar all day and night but if someone is ignorant then thats what they are. We have hundreds of thousands of true Sikhs that have been killed due to the fact that they loved Guru Sahib and loved the rehat but now a daze people dont understand Ardas and the kurbani that Sikhs went thru to allow us to know Sikhi and then we have people that could care less, as long as theyre able to do there manmat Sikhi they could care less about being rehatvaan etc......... Yes for some it takes time but some people are way past due and have become rotten inside and out, can we help them????(not by candy-coating Sikhi for them) How long does it take for a normal maya filled person to become a SIkh??? (ask my wife and she will tell you it can be in the bat of an eyelid) She went from manmat moorukhi to Amritdhari GurSikh and even holds me to the point, anyone that knows me knows how quick it took me to become a "listener of what Guru actually prescribes us to do" we dont need this waiting list and then postpone that when the time comes" we start now today and forever, no holding back, no letting go, only having the responibility to be truthful and follow the rehat given to us by the Gurus who we revere. Too many in the community try to make manmat the "norm" and then youth follow their manmat also, we need to get off the "well they dont" bandwagon and actually wake up and be a Sikh. Too many think "Ill do that stuff later" "Ill grow old and after forming more than half my life full of bad habits Ill change then" etc and that where they are wrong, being a Sikh while young is the best way to instill Sikhi within them and playing the "well Ill do it later/ overtime Ill be a Sikh" card. Im the guy that pours a bucket of water over someones head after they say they will get up in the morning and when the time comes they get the bucket poured on them, others just tell them its ok just take forever to develop a want to finally listen to GuruJi. Dont listen to me, listen to Guru Sahib. Lots in history have been Gurus rivala enemy(Guru didnt have enemies but they were Guru Sahibs enemy) and after seeing Guru Sahib they bowed at his feet. Lets say Jahangir and hunting with Guru Hragobind Sahib, he actually killed Guru Sahibs dad and after Guru Sahib showed him that I dont have enemies as being Nirbhau/Nirvair he never again went against Guru Saib and this was from a nonSikh completely. So people that claim to be Sikh should have no excuses of why they "cant get up for Amritvela" "Im the guy that pours a bucket of water over someones head after they say they will get up in the morning and when the time comes they get the bucket poured on them, others just tell them its ok just take forever to develop a want to finally listen to GuruJi. Dont listen to me, listen to Guru Sahib" Lol Veer Ji, I have a similar mentality and now none of my friends want to stay the night at my place haha. I strongly agree with you that people of the community are making manmat the norms these days which is unfortunate. But I think in terms of that workshop next week Amrit Vela should lightly be discussed since there will be many monay Im guessing. main focus should be on simran and seva. Amrit Vela is hard for many Gursikhs we cant expect monay to understand it fully as this is a difficult think to achieve which does come over time due to Guru Jis Kirpa. No doubt you should mention it but main emphasis should be on simran and seva like the way it was done in Turlock. I really like how you mentioned Seva in the last workshop I hope you continue to mention some of the same things in Sac.

Which SIkhi are you referring to. Sikhi does have rules anybody who commits adultery has committed a Bujjar Kureheit and in some cases such people are excomminicated from the Sikh religion. Controling your lust is a rule. Keeping Kes is a rule. Every Guru GIVES rules and every good students follows these rules. Guru Gobind SIngh Ji says "REhat Pyaarey Mujh Ko Sikh Pyaarey Nahi" I love the SIkh who lives a discipled life not the Sikh who just calls himself a Sikh without the disciplie ( rules of SIkhi). A person does not follow GUru Jis rules out of ego they do so out of love. One can never live a Sikh way of life without loving this disciplined way of life. WHen Guru Nanak asked Bhai Lehna Ji go and eat that dead human being. Baba Ji lovingly said which side do you want me to start on. It was this love for Guru Jis commands that Baba Ji won GUru Jis apporoval. SImilarly it is those SIkhs who live a disciplined way of life who win GUru Jis approval. You are right love is needed but one needs discipline. The two cannot exist without one another especially in a Guru- SIkh ( student) relationship. The realationship will not last long. I dont think we have such rules. Firstly, people being excomminicated from community? I dont think so... Sikhism is a religion of forgiveness. Remember Satta and Balwand? Controlling lust is ESSENtial. A must. again and again it is mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib. Every guru says, remove the 5 sins and take the 5 virtues. Then comes the rehat. Sikh rehat is following guruji rules. Yes, the story of Bhai Lehna. Why did he do it? Is it because firstly, the ego is gone. when ego goes, anything master says we do. right? You cant do anything with ego. So, rule: remove ego. It's not like Guru Nanak said "if you dont listen to me to eat the body, you are not my sikh". Also, everything we should see in Guru Granth Sahib. Some stories are distorted over time and we cant just follow them. Like the story of Guru Gobind singh saying I can forgive anything but not someone who sleeps with a moslem woman. when all gurus preached equality, why should one sin be bigger than another??? Actually dicipline comes after ego goes out. Again and again, Guru ji says remove ego, and everything falls into place. wjkk wjkf One is unwilling to submit to Guru Jis rules because of their ego. People are unwilling to keep their kes, refrain from meat and liquor because of their ego. One is unwilling to wake up for amrit vela, do their Nitnem because of their ego. The ego is disgusted but maya makes the ego feel sweet. Thats why people like their sweet sleep during the holy hours of AMrit Vela despite Guru Jis rule which says wake up for Amrit Vela. But the "sweeet" ego says No there is no reason to wake for Amrit Vela this is Bahamanism by the way I need my full sleep. The ones who wake they do to destroy the ego through Guru Jis kirpa, but the ones who stay asleep they like to be defeated by ego. If everything is forgiven then why was Guru HarRai Sahhibs son banned from the panth, same thing with Guru Arjan Dev Jis brother.

I am sorry but I disagree. I can't remember the name, but I heard this sakhi in one of the English kathas of Sachkhand vaasi Bhai Sahib Bhai Parminder Singh ji from Canada. A Gursikh of Sahib Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji Maharaj used to do seva and ended up with a wound on his head where maggots started to settle. He wouldn't kill them just because they also have aatma. So I am not sure how you could say that their life is not significant. No offense but who gave us humans the right to decide which life form besides us deserves to live? Personally I try not to kill any insect and prefer to pick it up and throw it away. At times I admit being a "murderer" LOL. But my point is that yes Gurbani says that human life is the most hard one to get, however Gurbani also says repeatedly that Vaheguru is in every creature. And about Bibek, I admit my drawback that I can't keep much (or any) Bibek myself but I look upto Singhs/Singhnees who can, and hope to be blessed and be able to keep it a lot more and better some day in future. Im not saying that insects are so insignificant that they should be intentionally killed. As Gursikhs we should never kill, am saying there existence as insects is much lower then a human existence . Gurbani says that for many life times we were fish, insects, etc now we have been blessed with the human body through good fortune. This is what Im referring too. I never go out of my way to kill any insects if there I see a spider in my room I always take it outside with a peice of paper, but when Im walking on the grass obviously there are going to be some insects that do get killed and thats something I cannot control. I never once said God doesnt exist in the all insects. Im saying the bodily existence of these lower forms are no where near the life of humans. When I see a dog I dont think to myself this is a dog who is useless and should be killed, but I do think that this dog in unfortuate of not having a human life, and in many times such animals get that joon due to their deeds as a human. Many adulturers becomes dogs because of their Kaam. It doesnt mean that God no longer exists it just means that their existence is not as satisying or spiritually blissful compared to a human.

Which SIkhi are you referring to. Sikhi does have rules anybody who commits adultery has committed a Bujjar Kureheit and in some cases such people are excomminicated from the Sikh religion. Controling your lust is a rule. Keeping Kes is a rule. Every Guru GIVES rules and every good students follows these rules. Guru Gobind SIngh Ji says "REhat Pyaarey Mujh Ko Sikh Pyaarey Nahi" I love the SIkh who lives a discipled life not the Sikh who just calls himself a Sikh without the disciplie ( rules of SIkhi). A person does not follow GUru Jis rules out of ego they do so out of love. One can never live a Sikh way of life without loving this disciplined way of life. WHen Guru Nanak asked Bhai Lehna Ji go and eat that dead human being. Baba Ji lovingly said which side do you want me to start on. It was this love for Guru Jis commands that Baba Ji won GUru Jis apporoval. SImilarly it is those SIkhs who live a disciplined way of life who win GUru Jis approval. You are right love is needed but one needs discipline. The two cannot exist without one another especially in a Guru- SIkh ( student) relationship. The realationship will not last long.

what book is Bhavrasamrit

Yes you are right Bibek does not just pertain to food. Bibek ( Bib- other - Ek- one) means chosing the best possible decision out of numerous options thus our Budh does not get polluted by ILL choices. This decision is always weighed in the light of Gurmat. What we put in our bodies is of great importance. SOme people believe eating langar that doesnt follow GUrmat Maryada means following Bibek but this is not true. By the way who is Bhai Joginder SIngh Ji?

insects are still alive, whether they feel pain or not. Waheguru has given them a purpose in life. Waheguru has set their nature. Are you saying that any being without a nervous system has no value to Waheguru or Sikhs? If you are happy with the deaths of thousands of poor defenceless innocent creatures just so you can eat roti to fill your own stomach, that frankly to me seems to be very selfish. Daya? ever heard of it? I do believe in DAYA because daya is a prime principle SIkhi. Im a strict vegetarian and I never eat food that may contain animals. I mentioned insects not feeling pain because it seemed like you were comparing their death to the death of animals who get slaughtered due to the taste of peoples tongue. I never once said not having a nervous system means one has no value to Waheguru or Sikhs. Show me where I have said that. I have said over and over Human existence is the highest. Stop going around and around in circles. What is your solution to not eating? If you dont have solution then this is my last response to you. THis thread is about Bibek not about insects.

hehe, in Gurbani it says if i was a little stone , it would appear tiny and humble ,but be an impediment to those walking on a path (stone under yur feet ouccchhh) ,if i was to be water i would be all soft and flexi but if i got too hot i would cause a burn .the shabad concludes by saying ''harjan esah chahieh ,jaisa har hi hoe'' i.e desire not to be a stone or anything but desire to be like God Himself . To be like God , you defo need to do loads loads loads ardas constantly knocking at God's door to somehow kick you out of your bed to be up in the night hours chanting away waheguru ,nitnem ,keertan etc etc . Yes you do attain a certain level of spirituality by doing all that during the day ,but during the day you are surrounded by people ,gotta eat ,work ,study ,etc etc .During the night hours is wen all the wordly stuff is off your back , and you can focus on a romantic time wiv God n Guru one to one. It gives you loads power to be a lion during the day as you go about doing stuff . You can work out the rest of the logic yourself veerjee . O God im so proud and happy that you desire to be so close to Gurujee . I can almost picture you getting up in the middle of the night ,having a nice little shower , then interacting and communicating with Gurujee thru all ur prayers in the dewy dark night,making you wet wet wet n soaked with God's love and power. aweeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssoooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!! wjkk wjkf, NOW, This makes a lot of sense. Waking up early gives you time with God.. Meaning that your mind is fresh and the dirt of th world has not stick on to you yet.. from a mental point of view, this all makes sense. Thank you thank you thank you. -It's true what people say- God gives knowlegde to selected people and it is you that help sinners like me. Thank you. GOd is knowledge and God exist in everyone. So your answer is No. Knowledge is not given to a selected few it is given in everyone. But Only rare devotees go through great efforts to search for this Knowledge of God. Furthermore Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji which contains all knowledge is for everyobdy to learn from not a selcted clerical class. Unfortunately , many Sikhs believe knowledge is given to a selected few ( clerical priesthood) and they decide to listen to them instead of making their efforts to acquire knowledge themselves.

Veer Ji , I think you are missing the point. Salvation should tried to be attained in this life not the next, and for one to attain salvation in this life it takes alot of effort. Our Soul is like a bird crying for the immortal drink. For many life times the mind which has been contolled by the Ego and has prevented this soul from quenching its sole desire to drink the immortal amrit. We have been born and dead many times. The atma wants to rest in immortal nectar. Because we have been deprived from this immortal amrit for many life times the soul is starving for this essence. Guru Sahib has called Amrit Vela amrit vela for a reason. This is the time Guru Jis darbar sahib ( Sach Khand) freely distrubtes Amrit to the crying souls. Those Varagis who wake up during this time their tongue has a strong desire to taste the immortal amrit. Its the same way our tongue craves the essence when we recite Amrit Bani. It is this Amrit which is the food for the soul. By not waking up for Amrit Vela we are only starving our soul from its essence. When ever we wake up for Amrit vela our Atma is in attendance in the holy darbar of Sach Khand which is our true home. Just think being in the holy darbar of Sach Khand with all the great saints. Every night when we recite Kirtan Sohila towards the end we always ask for the dust of the holy saints. We are really asking to be in attendance with the holy saints of Sach Khand where the atmic tongue drinks the Amrit of Guru Jis internal darbar. well said . you write very inspiringly . write more ,even write a book .ill be the 1st to buy it hahaaa . luv you my veer lol are you being sarcastic. Most of my friends tell me my words are less inspirational and more authoratative, haha. Especially my friend on this forum ( Waaheguru JI- screename)

the simple biological fact is that flies insects have no nervous system thus they feel no pain when they die. DOnt twist my words around. I specifically said their life as an insect has no significance compared to a human existence. Gurbani states that human life is the highest existence. By the way what is your point anyway. Do you have any solutions to not eat?

There is going to be a Rainsubaee this weekend at Smethick Gurdwara. They might have an AMrit Sanchar there. You can call the number and find out.

Do as much Naam Simran and Sukhmani Sahib as possible , and most importantly do Ardas.

the thing is that you ARE deliberatley killing these thousands of poor innocent creatures, if you're spraying them with pesticides. Also ask any farmer if when they plough the land whether thousands of poor innocent creatures are killed, and they will say yes. the plough cuts thru the soil and their poor innocent bodies. why is the life of insects and creatures so unimportant to you as long as you get your atta and sabzi? insects do not feel any pain when killed because do not have a nervous system. Im not saying insects should be killed im saying some things are unaviodable. If we dont eat how are we going to survive. How are we going to do Bhagti. God has given insects a short life span for a reason. There time is minimal and there existence as insects is inferior compared to our lives as Humans. It appears that you are suggesting that we dont eat so save the lives of insects which seems very illogical to me. DOes that mean we shouldnt drink water either because there is life in water. Should we not take showers or wash our hands. If we cant drink water then how is Amrit going to prepared. If we cant eat sabji or daal how will there be langar? Should we not breathe. Because life is in air as well. Im sorry but I dont believe in this Hindu Philosophy it has no place in Sikhi.