Cisco_Singh

I know of this Gurdwara, although i've never been there I know someone who used to go there regularly. This Gurdwara is aligned with Baba Vadbhag Singhs Dera. The Baba Ajit Singh passed away leaving no successors. Theres probably only a handful of families who go there. - They do howver apprently have some weird belief sets and practises, and are apparently involved in exorcisms and such practises... - There is a split from this Gurdwara also just outside Coventry Bayton Road, Exhall...called something like Baba Vadhbag Singh Gurdwara, who also apparenly perform exorcisms and such practises.. <br /><br /><br />

<br /><br /><br />True...but how many of them paid the Jeziya tax ? What happens next time they get attacked... ?? When you dont have the means, knowledge or spirt to defend yourself and uphold dharam it's never a good thing...

<br />Utter rubbish, a proper Kenya pagh is more stable than these India wale "jatt" paghs, they were worn in both world wars when the singhs in the British army didn't wear helmets so they are definetly Imcomparible to hats! Granted nowadays there is a version which is basically a hat because it's starched which is a joke but true Kenya pagh is fine<br /><br /><br />Thats strange. All my male relatives on both my mothers and fathers side, including grandfathers, great-grandfathers and great great grandfathers were in the British Army...all over the world,in places such as Hong Kong, Burma, Fiji etc...and every last one of them wore what you describe as 'jatt' style paghs. <img src='http://www.sikhsangat.com/public/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' /> <br />Are you sure you're not confusing the proud Sikh soldiers that fought freely and bravely around the world...with the semi-indentured sikh labourers that were signed up and shipped to build the railways in east Africa ? Me thinks you are. <img src='http://www.sikhsangat.com/public/style_emoticons/default/wink.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /><br /><br /><br /><br />Intresting...I came across some intresting viewpoints, what do you lot think of this concept...not my own views just seeing what general consensus is..before I did some reading, I never quire considered this viewpoint.... Now were the Skhs who fought for the British army really what you call free and brave....or what some people would call traitors ! Speak to some Nihangs, they say most of the real Singhs died fighting against the British in the Anglo-Sikh wars and then in the freedom fighting movement afterwards...they consider the ones who joined the British army as traitors fighting for the enemy..

<br /><br /><br />Sadly, it appears a lot of Sikhs have lost their martial spirit. You see it everywhere, where has the Sant-Sipahi concept that Guru Hargobind started and Guru Gobind Singh Ji propogated disappeared to ? It is imperative for Sikhs to learn the arts of self defence, combat, warfare precisely for such situations... Are you telling me that that this could have happened if these were Bhujangi level Nihangs that the Taliban attacked....not a chance...

Intresting, I have a feeling the website may longer be operating, as it hasn't been updated since 2008. I have submitted an enquiry and will wait for a reply. As far as Jamdhar karas go, you'll probably have to get them custom made, i've never seen them for sale anywhere. Dont know how useful those are without proper knowledge of technique on how to use them, they do look pretty cool though.

Uk Midlands area, I thought bagh naka is a leopard claw, used for grappling / grabbing ? Didnt know it was a Kara as well, thought a spiked kara was a Jamdhari kara...might be wrong though..

vjkk vjkf I was looking at the "nihang style" karas he has i.e: Wrist shastar, I cant find anywhere else that sells then, unless they can be custom made by someone. Infact I ordered one off the website, but havent heard anything so far....wondering if i've just gone and ordered something from a site that no longer operates ! But if anyone knows of anywhere I can source some toothed, or large puratan karas...let me know.

Hi All, Does anyone know if the shastar man website is still operating, or has anybody ordered any shaster or items from there in the past ? What was quality and service like. I can see a notice saying the website will close shortly, but no updates since 2008, and items still show "in stock".

lollll well what he's really trying to insinuate is, he looks like a clown! Hope you dont ever wear it! Whats so special about it, looks like a failed attempt to try a african kenya style pagh, but without the starch...it's come out wrong though and almost a hybrid...

You'll be surprised about how many supposedly "Sikh" guys and girls sleep around before marriage. Obviously theyre not proper Sikhs otherwise they wouldnt be doing such things, they punjabis who happen to be born into a Sikh family but dont follow maryada or practise. At the end of the day a guy or girl who has been sleeping around before marriage should not expect to marry a virgin partner, thats just hypocrisy. The truth will alway come out one day. However the other issue is, a decent guy or girl, who hasnt been sleeping around doesnt deserve a partner who has been sleeping around...but you see this happening too much... Someone told me recently they would never get married to a non-virgin girl because a female will always etain some DNA of the 1st person she slept with, hence when you have kids it will always have some part or that initial person...I dont know how true this is medically...if it is true though...definitely worrying !

This is not just a amritdharee or gursikh issue, even turban wearing not very religious guys "Trim Singhs" etc...have this problem. Generally if a girl doesnt want to marry a guy with a turban means they are detached from their culture and faith, they dont have knowledge or pride in the image that was the Guru's gift to Sikhs. The question is, would you want to marry a girl like that anyway ???