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Teek ah bhai im a cretin. you aren't wrong

https://www.reddit.com/r/Sikh/comments/4koxev/brief_history_on_harnam_singh_dhumma_and_damdami/ Here is full history of dhumma. Watch the video and see him using his cunning language. He had his laalchi eyes on the position from the beginning.

Badal was responsible for 1984. He knew of Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale varge Singh houn te ehna haramzadeyan di chaudaraan ni rehniyaa. They pressured Indira Gandhi to attack Harmandir Sahib because they knew Panth would have collectively put in good leaders in Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib and all our Sikh institutions. Badal and KP gill had secret meetings and were involved in planning the slaughter of countless innocent Sikh youth wiping out generations. There is no excuse for dhuma to bend over and dance for badal and kp gill. What an excuse some people use for the betterment of panth he's allying with badal. The reason why Dhuma is in seat of Damdami Taksal is because they know if a good Singh is there they won't be able to control him and it will be a problem for them. As long as they have a puppet they can control they laugh at Sikhs.

I never made it a clear cut case, but I always knew that Dhuma is a dirty individual. I'm not AKJ and yes I was critical of him, but I don't remember the complete controversy and would you be surprised if I even agreed with Dhuma ? There are some issues regarding differences in Panthic Jathebandian that I've come to realize that don't have an end in terms of debate and I never claimed there were no two ways about that issue - my main gripe from beginning was Dhumma because I have a special place in my heart for Damdami Taksal given the previous Jathedar Sahiban of this Jathebandi and to see a government agent doing bezti of Sikh Panth hurts a lot. Also, even if I agree with the panthic issues that Dhuma has brought forward that still doesn't mean he isn't a lackey of KP Gill and Badal with a free ticket to stay in Punjab because of his government connections. Many things missionaries say about pakhandi babay say are true, but what bholay lohk don't realize is that they use something that 100% of Sikh Panth agree with and then include their venom in a package along with parchar. Re: Santa Singh - no there isn't. Two wrongs do not make a right. Santa Singh betrayed khalsa panth and he got excommunicated if my memory serves correctly and he begged to be let back into panth in his old age and Guru Sahib is forever forgiving and he was forgiven. Correct me if I'm wrong. Re: Sant Jarnail Singh Ji as a congress agent: He proved it with his Shaheedi that he was a Singh of Dhan Guru Gobind SIngh Ji. The kathavachak takhur singh patiala and all these folks with massive stomachs try to make themselves seem better by mentioning names of Shaheed Singhs like Bhai Amrik Singh Ji and goes as far as to say he got shaheed in his goudhi. After he was confronted he lied and changed his story with an even bigger lie. He came out of Harmandir Sahib with his hands up mentioning a few names. The reason I'm mentioning I'll cover in another quote. Also there is proof that dhuma is directly involved with badal and no one will deny his connection with kp gill Re: Kabza: He's allegedly done kabza of an ahasthaan at Anandpur Sahib (and has done kabza of Damdami Taksal), but can I also ask you what kabzas badal has done? If you say none and that there is no proof, you're being academically dishonest and completely ignoring the situation of Punjab and how things are run there. Just look at badal's acres of jameen when he started and look where he's at now and look how his thugs control the monopoly of buses. There aren't official things you can read regarding these thuggeries, but in terms of land most of us have agricultural land in Punjab and know how things are run. If someone does kabza on your jameen they pull the appropriate strings with connections and if the individual who is having his land stolen hasn't taken the appropriate steps to not allow for a loophole to be exploited by a thief - then anyone can potentially steal your jameen. Similarly there will not be clear cut proof floating online just how badal is helping dhuma cover up his murder plot against Bhai Ranjit Singh. Nihang Singhs constantly have land disputes and do kabza as well as per N30Singh and what I've heard from other Sikhs and just because the form of proof is by word of mouth and not a tangible piece of evidence it doesn't discount it from being true. Has he? the only thing I have heard him about them is He said he would support the murderers in their criminal case. Yes, legally, even before he opened his mouth he should have been arrested and treated as a prime suspect once they realized who owned the gaddiaan. After he opened his mouth he said these attacks against people will justly happen if someone speaks out against him. That is condoning violence and should have been dealt with instant arrest, but being the chamcha of badal it hasn't yet happened. In the Sikh Panth's eyes in the writing of Bhai Chaupa Singh Ji Rehitname he writes: ਜੋ ਸਿੱਖ, ਸਿੱਖ ਨੂੰ ਜਾਣ ਕੇ ਕੈਦ ਕਰਾਏ, ਲੁਟਾਏ, ਮਰਵਾਏ, ਸੋ ਦੈਂਤ ਜਾਨਣਾ। My rough translation: Any Sikh who intentionally jails, loots or has another Sikh killed - consider them a demon. Since this is a Tankhahnama it is obvious that along with being a demon they are Thankhah. Four points: 1) Dhuma with his latest statement has said he will support anyone who speaks out against him as a person and he and other dhuma fanboys will twist it into being an attack of Dasam Granth Sahib and Damdami Taksal and they will find you and they will kill you. 2) Dhuma is supporting the murderers who did maha beadbi of Shabeel and those who kill fellow Sikhs. This is a very clear cut case that he is more interested in his thug fanboys than the interest of the Panth. There is freedom of speech and Bhai Ranjit Singh has the right to correctly expose dhuma as having very close and submissive relationship with KP Gill and Badal. 3) In a place where your connections to the butchers of Punjab (Badal and KP Gill) won't get you off the hook there is something called a legal system. In this case, if this had happened in the USA, there would have been due process. Prosecutors and detectives on this case would have without question would have begun investigating Dhuma for involvement even prior to finding the murderers and their plates because there is reasonable cause to treat Dhuma as a prime individual involved in the attack on Bhai Ranjit Singh. After the vehicles were registered and found under his name he would have been tried as a prime suspect and accessory to murder by the prosecutor even if his gang thugs covered their boss by saying he wasn't involved - BECAUSE this happened in Punjab- people who support Dhuma are able to make such claims that he isn't responsible because of his connection with badal/kp gill. 4) The above line from Tankhahnama also applies to Dhumma because he has indirectly supported the further murders (via legal assistance and by word of mouth support/condoning) of anyone who dares to speak the truth that Dhuma is a lackey of kp gill and a lapdop for badal and thus without a shadow of doubt he is thankhah. That's just the thing. You don't know about his reality. You know about the last 10/15 years. Tell me what you know about him from 1984 onwards and then we'll see. Let's start here, but also address rest of my points: old school Taksali Singhs say he had no role in 1984 and wasn't even remotely close to Sant Jarnail Singh Ji. From what I've seen majority of the people who follow Dhuma are very young and impressionable individuals and that old paagal banda who was shouting naaray of Khalistan and Taksal zindabad, outside of the tana where the goons of dhuma were in jail, has 0 connections to 1980s - you can tell he's the type of person who talks a lot but will run right when the going gets tough. These individuals like takhur singh patiala make their business by making themselves seem like they were close to the Shaheed Singhs of 1984 by making up lies and making up tall-tale miracle stories to sell themselves to the public. Those who have real ridhi sidhiaan and have experienced such miracles will never talk about it because it will defeat the purpose. Right, so now you are speaking for the whole of the Sikh Panth? I am making a reasonable deduction that the vast majority of Panth is now against dhuma with the exception of a few of those who support dhuma. Even majority of monay from Sikh families know dhum is a sarkaari agent and they respect Sant Jarnail Singh Ji.

Here is one on Sunday at 10 AM. Details in link. https://www.instagram.com/p/BF1f6jvuj_l/

No need to mention Santa Singh. He was tankhah and eventually begged for forgiveness from Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib eventually. Dhuma is in Punjab by support of Indian government on extended visa. What Bhai Ranjit Singh said about him as being a lapdog of Badal and an agent of kps gill is true. They use their connections with these murderers to do kabza on land and GWs in exchange for supporting them. Dhum admitted to supporting the murder of Bhai Bhupinder Singh. He is tankhah and a ਦੈਂਤ. Dhum made it clear if anyone tries to expose him he will lie and say they spoke against DDT and they will get killed. Such a ridiculous thing. People like that AAP guy called Sant Ji an agent and other words but he replied back with such a great way and never even considered violence let alone attacking someone like a rat the way dhum's chelas did. They are trying their best to do bezti of bana and our precious Damdami Taksal. Everyone knew about dhumas reality ages ago and some people made excuses for him and sangat kept quiet but this has crossed the line. Sikh Panth now wants to take back honor of Damdami Taksal and throw these dushts in jail. Few things get me emotional but a clear cut case like this is one of them. Chatanga bro surely you agree with what I mentioned above? There really are no two ways about it.

According to Bhai Chaupa Singh Ji dhuma is a Tankhiyah and Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib needs to intervene and deliver a Tankhaiyah.

Vaheguru

A GurSikh shared these powerful bachans in form of Rehitnama by Bhai Chaupa Singh ji which tells us who is Tankhah. I am copy pasting it here so sangat can read it as well:

Am I the only one who cried of laughter watching this interview? The dude legit drinks and looks like the shady uncle type. Look how he gives his replies and has a very latent aggression that he's trying to suppress by the way he's talking. It's so blatant

Bhai Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale is a shining example of how a GurSikh acts in the face of such corruption.

The hindu in beginning says, "tu mareya kidhaan ohnooo?" repeatedly Could possibly be a case of revenge over him hitting someone and then they disrespect Sikh dastar and kesh. I can't believe how whipped and feminine youth are becoming

Absolutely disgusting

BREAKING: Dhumma Breaks Silence, Gives Full Support to Attack on Bhai Dhadrianwale http://www.sikh24.com/2016/05/23/breaking-dhumma-breaks-silence-gives-full-support-to-attack-on-bhai-dhadrianwale/

http://punjabspectrum.in/2016/05/21/watch-what-man-who-attacked-baba-dhadrianwale-says/ There's a reason why they've installed this puppet into Guru Gobind Singh Ji's taksal. They're corrupting all of our institutions and it's time to give the boot to these modern mahants that know how to blend in.

She gave a bunch of looney prophecies which turned out to be incorrect and she kept saying something about Sant Ji being 8 years old and that's when he had some life change and undertaking. She tried to sound like some prophecy giver, but probably read up or heard baout his jeevan and thought she could use this to make Sant Ji into a fool who believes in this nonsense pakhand.

Sant Jarnail SIngh Khalsa Bhindranwale our only true leader in this past century. Dhan Guru De Sikh. Funny how her prophecies and bs is similar to many wannabe kathavhachaks of today who talk about miracles and prophecies. Love Sant Ji's replies with Gurmat and does such a deep katha on yoga abhiaas and ridhi sidhi

Update 9pm 21.05.16 | "ਮੇਰੀ ਕੋਈ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰਥ ਦੇ ਵਿਰੁੱਧ Statement ਦਿਖਾਓ" | DHADRIANWALE

Excuse the images and listen to audio and read the Gurbani. So unfortunate that namdharis are following dehdhri/pakhandis. Would be great to see them back in fold of Panth Dhan Guru Nanak Dev JI

Don't change subject of topic at hand. This debate is endless and if you part take in either side you're a fool. Note how pro badal thugs attack Baba Dhadrianwala and now there is already fighting on online forum? We have a lot to learn.

You're also jumping the gun. He has a different opinion which doesn't mean he is attacking Baba ji

In the states it's enough to try someone as an accessory or a suspect involved by owning a vehicle involved in transporting murderers. I think they thought they would get away with it. Sad state of affairs shows this is how all jathedarian is run in Punjab. They get gunde and if you talk smack about their baba you get acid thrown on your face or a rain of bullets like to Baba Dhadrianwala. I believe Sant Jarnail Singh Ji was shaheed and Baba Thakur Singh Ji said that at the time due to what hardship we were going through or someone misinterpreted but that doesn't mean Baba Dhuma deserves to sit in position that Sant Jarnail Singh Ji did. There was no merit. Most who I have seen in person are staunchly against Baba Dhummas takeover of Taksal and those who supported him have also changed their tone or position in recent years. Making the shaheedi yaadgar was a political mode to solidify his jathedari and his support on panthic matters means squat when he's in bed with badal and kps gill. The same badal who had secret meetings with kps gill and badal had said, " tenu ni pata eh s**e shittran ton bina lout ni aune". They started the killing of innocents and surround themselves with people who will bend over for them.

Truth can't be digested. Knew dhuma was involved

Vaheguru You hit the nail on the head man edit:

If you have social media please ask fellow Sikhs to remain cerebral and to let information gather. Very important to heed Bhai Ranjit Singh's message of remaining calm and not to go after anyone. There are very suspicious hands in play here and they want Sikhs to react. Patience