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After reading the jew/sikh thread, I came to a realisation perhaps this is what we must resort to as well, some must sin for the betterment of the panthe. We must get angry, until our blood boils and we truly are ready to give our lives for the cause. I'm sorry, I know we have to try and control kam, krodh, lobh, moh, ahankar, but unfortunately this isn't peaceful times. We aren't perfect, we should try to be but we are only human, what use is control of panj chor when you do nothing to help the panthe. You may of helped your self, but we must never ever forgot that the panthe comes first, not me or you. Only with this mindset can we honourably sacrifice ourselves, to be a shaheed on the battlefield fighting to protect our way (protect guru granth sahib, follow the gurus hukam and protect his panthe) is the perfect death. Most nowadays are only focused on getting jobs, married, some kids, a nice house and RIP peacefully, but what does this honestly achieve? Maybe the time has come before it becomes too late to take action. Maybe we need to start taking down the enemy whether it be internal or external. The Nihangs were once the pinnacle of dasemah patshaes fauji, I admit it. They were the greatest, none could compare to the Akali's. But there time has passed, most nihangs that remain in hindustan are just lazy, high, not tyar byar tyar at all. And the fact that shasters are becoming less and less useful in this modern world (hate me if you want for saying it, but it's the truth), it only really works now for assassinations if needed. Some people say buddha dal and the other dals can save us, but they are just a relic in history now. We really need to come up to modern standards, using firearms, snipers but still continuing training with hand to hand combat. If our sikhi wants to get anywhere in this world, violence is and always has been the answer. It is the only way to gain respect. I am changing, something needs to be done about the panthe, I'm not on about Khalistan but a homeland is definitely needed, and it must first be Punjab (and if waheguru gives us kirpa then expanding). People are getting too trapped in this equality thing, in my opinion we must stop thinking everyone is equal because they are not. I'm not trying to increase my ego but we are part of the KHALSA, we are elites, FACT. I don't care what anyone else says I AM AN ELITIST my panthe is greater than all and we must make sacrifices for guru gobind singh ji panthe. Take out these stupid dehras and punish anyone splitting up the panthe, we must rejoin it and then prepare for bloodshed. India has a weakness. Pakistan, kashmir, china etc all enemies with India. Especially the recent turmoil with nuclear weapons in Pakistan VS India. Maybe from some sort of chaos we can start executing plans, all throughout the world riots are occurring, governments are being kicked out. First it is always a peaceful protest then it becomes violent, I am waiting for when USA's protesters are finally tipped of the ice-berg and go violent and the US revolution occurs. However the same needs to happen in Punjab, I would hope India starts getting violent protests in general but nothing major seems to be going on over there compared to other countries. Militancy must be revived to it's fullest! I hope you and I really start taking this seriously, and take action! If 1 domino falling doesn't create a chain reaction, then more dominoes must fall until the entire stack starts following. Bhula chukla maf Gajake jakarah gajave, fateh pave, nihal ho jave ... Sat sriiii akkkaallllluhhhhhhhh! Gurbaalll akaalli hi akkalllllllll, akkal akkal akaalllll!

False. Zionists and other followers have committed sin for attempting to create pre-emptly a Jewish state before the arrival of their messiah. Zionists are so focused on power they commit sins, kill, in order to achieve there goals.

YOU DO PAATH EVERYDAY? NITNEM, PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE RECITING BECAUSE I HONESTLY DOUBT YOU'D SAY ANYTHING LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN IF YOU DID! BEADBI! YOU DISGRACE AND MOCK THE GURUS PANTHE! YOU CALL HIS SINGHS "WOULD BE HEROES" WHO STAND UP IN DEFENCE AND YOU THINK THEY JUST SEEK ATTENTION FOR WEARING DUMMALEH! THEY DRESS HOW MY GURU TOLD THEM TO DRESS, WHAT IS A SINGH WITHOUT BANA AND BANI? HE IS NO SINGH OF KALGITAR PATSHAE! DAMASMEH PATSHAE TOLD US TO PUNISH ANYONE WHO BETRAYS THE PANTHE. IF I LIVED IN CANADA AND SAW YOU I WOULD GIVE YOU ONE MASSIVE THUPAR!!! HOW CAN AN APNE EVEN THINK OF DISRESPECTING THE GURUS BANA LIKE THIS AND TELLING SINGHS TO GO LIVE BY THEMSELVES TO MAKE THEM BETTER THAN OTHERS! EVEN MAHARAJ RANJIT SINGH WAS PUNISHED BY AKALI PHULA SINGH, THIS IS THE EXTENT OF WHAT PUNISHMENT GOES TO FOR DISGRACE OF THE PANTHE! WHAT IN THE HECK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SINGHS MAKING MONEY AND THROWING 1DOLLAR BILLS? JUST LISTEN TO YOURSELF WHAT IN THE HECK? SO YOU'D RATHER HAVE GURSIKHS WEAR JEANS AND T SHIRTS WHILE DOING CHOIR SAHIB OR EVEN READING MAHARAJ'S BANI?????? GURUS HUKAM IS FOR HIS SINGHS TO BE INDENTIFIABLE, HOW CAN THEY BE IDENTIFIED WHEN WEARING JEANS AND A TOPPI? YOUR EGO IS OUT OF CONTROL! MAKING SNOTTY COMMENTS ABOUT SINGHS, BANA, THEIR LIFESTYLE! SHARAM KARO

Well Science is very young and has a lot to learn, so this is what I can give. Our Universe has been created & destroyed many times in the past, which makes sense. At the start of the big bang, there was an initial explosion where from a singularity the space-time continuum and matter it self came into being. Obviously at some point in the future, the acceleration of the Universe will halt and fall back onto it self. Once all the matter is sucked back into the center of the Universe/black hole, who knows? A universe is created again and this cycle starts over. As DustOfTheSaintsFeet said for the 3 worlds, this seems like a logical choice. - Void - Astral plane - Physical plane As for the 4 sources of creation, I am at a complete loss here. The 5 elements, the problem with this is there are lots of different references in other cultures referencing to this. Japanese, chinese, hindu etc, either Guru'ji accepted another or created his own version, we unfortunately don't know. I'll give you an example of the Japanese 5 elements, as in my opinion it has the best relevance of the few I researched. 地 Chi meaning "Earth", represents the hard, solid objects of the world (bones, muscles and tissues are represented by chi. Emotionally, chi is predominantly associated with stubbornness, stability, physicality, and gravity. In the mind, it is confidence; and emotionally it is a desire to have things remain as they are; a resistance to change) 水 Sui meaning "Water", represents the fluid, flowing, formless things in the world (blood and other bodily fluids are represented by sui, as are mental or emotional tendencies towards adaptation and change. Sui can be associated with emotion, defensiveness, adaptability, flexibility, suppleness, and magnetism) 火 Ka "Fire", represents the energetic, forceful, moving things in the world. Animals, particularly predators, capable of movement and full of forceful energy, are primary examples of ka objects (bodily, ka represents our metabolism and body heat, and in the mental and emotional realms, it represents drive and passion. ka can be associated with motivation, desire, intention, and an outgoing spirit.) 風 Fū meaning "Wind", represents things that grow, expand, and enjoy freedom of movement ( = human mind, as we grow physically, we learn and expand mentally as well, in terms of our knowledge, our experiences, and our personalities. Fū represents breathing, and the internal processes associated with respiration. Mentally and emotionally, it represents an "open-minded" attitude and carefree feeling. It can be associated with will, elusiveness, evasiveness, benevolence, compassion, and wisdom.) 空 Kū meaning "Void", but also meaning "sky" or "Heaven", represents those things beyond our everyday experience, particularly those things composed of pure energy (bodily, kū represents spirit, thought, and creative energy. It can also be associated with power, creativity, spontaneity, and inventiveness.) Kū is of particular importance as the highest of the elements. In martial arts, particularly where the fighting discipline is blended with magic or the occult, one often invokes the power of the Void to connect to the quintessential creative energy of the world. A warrior properly attuned to the Void can sense their surroundings and act without thinking, and without using their physical senses. Sorry it's a bit long, but this gave me some idea to what Guru'ji could be meaning, from what I initially had none. (P.s. just had another idea, could we being made of 5 elements actually mean we are made of kam/ It could possibly be referring to the fact that our galaxy is slowly spiraling inwards towards a black-hole, as will everything in the universe eventually. So "the hundreds of thousands of stars shall disappear" is undoubtedly true. Maffi ji, don't accept everything I said as 100% fact, these are just my own opinions as I like to infuse Science within

If so, what bigger thing for ours and others freedom is there than the anti-capitalist protests on right now. Occupy Wall-street (USA - http://occupywallst.org/) & Occupy London (UK - http://occupylsx.org/). If we truly are not sheep's of the system and want to follow the principles of the guru's, shouldn't we as groups (from local Gurudwara's from around the country start meeting and joining forces, then continue into the protest? Then perhaps people might also realise the Sikh people are human activists, which no one is aware of?). It may seem daunting, but are we not supposed to rise against tyranny which is now the people in power (who care not for the average person), what better way than peaceful protesting as happening now? If you don't know what these protests are for, let along know they are is progress; they are basically against capitalism and a fake democracy. We may live in democratic countries, but in reality we have no rights, out votes count for nothing and the fact that so few people have so much, 1% of the people have more wealth than the other 99% combined. I won't go into too much detail, however if you want more information [http://www.forbes.co...py-wall-street/] or "google" why the protests are happening

Woah, just today as I looked over some pictures I was shocked to see a particular pattern in a few different places over Amritsar. This pattern which is composed of many evenly space circles that overlap each other, they arrange to form a flower pattern with a sixfold symmetry. It’s been dated back to 645 BC but I bet you, since so much of our history has been lost.it’s probably way before then. It is know as sacred geometry; in fact this pattern of 64 is the basis of it, it is essentially the way Universe uses energy however this is not the point of the thread, if you want to read more upon this, go ahead. Flower of life: Here is the complete version with 2 more layers added: .. As you can see, the amount of layer that can be added exponentially grows Amritsar My question is, does anyone know if this design is POST-British or PRE-British? Since when the British invaded, wasn't the marble destroyed thus the question arises was this influenced by someone else, not going too much into conspiracies but this pattern is also very prominent in Masonry, in fact there main symbol with the "compass and the G", is built from the middle of the flower of life. But yeah if this is true, perhaps there was more science in ancient Sikhi than people think.

My gosh, I was seriously considering about simply ripping the MP3 from the vid and simply showing you that (so no talk of the video occurs) but I thought you would all be mature enough to ignore the video even after I said "to ignore the video", yet I was wrong. Maybe it isn't a raag I don't know, but I love the music, and want to know the full version is.

Anyone know what the full raag is? I'm not really asking for your opinion on shastar puuja, just simply the raag if you know

I just realised this whilst I was in bed, and had to post it before I forget. Now we all heard the word "nang" which is often directed at Niddar etc, personally it's a horrid word (naked nihang), which divides the panthe more. Niddar is a Nihang, he is not the typical Nihang though because he doesn't follow the typical Nihang maryada since he has a lot more beliefs in Hindu deities etc , then it hit me like lighting. We all know of the stories in the times of Maharaj Ranjit Singh, there was a lot of complex conflictions going on in the panthe, as a lot of rebellious Nihangs didn't & wouldn't accept orders from Maharaj Ranjit Singh. "In addition to the regular and irregular army.. Some were religious fanatics.. they acknowledged no rulers or laws but their own; think nothing of robbery, or even murder, should they happen to be in the humour for it, Maharaj Ranjeet Singh himself having on more than one occasion narrowly escaped assassination by them" - Baron Charles Hugel [travels in Kashmir and the Panjab], translated from German Now this Baron Charles didn't know too much detail about the Nihangs, but who are these people that he is talking about. They are not the typical Nihang, who were the people that betrayed Maharaj Ranjit Singh???? DURGA SINGHS! Now take a step back, and combine this with the context of Niddar . Durga Singhs, were Nihangs but they were much much more linked with Hinduism than the typical Nihang... So Nidar isn't a fake Nihang as people say but he has views or may actually be a Durga Singh, now does that not make perfect sense in relations to his very hindu-sikh views ? Image: Durga Singh's

Good and bad are only concepts. The definition of "good" is only defined by the social environment from which the person is brought up in. For example if the human is brought up in a war-torn area, where he witnesses his village being brually murdered and constantly as he grows up he views the killing of other, it is in his nature that the concept of "good" must be to kill the murderers, whereas someone from a more peaceful area may say to that man "Forgive them for murdering your village, only more bad comes from fighting" .. In the end, the ideal solution (where you truly have a free choice) is up to you the individual to craft your own concepts for "good" and "bad".

It's rigged just as usual. Just like any other major political vote. I would usually give a solution to my answer, but there is no small answer here and it would require massive team-work to overthrow the current SGPC, which a mere forum would no way be able achieve, not to mention a lot of people (if pulled in from outside the forum) may not be able to comprehend the corruption of SGPC. "Former Punjab chief minister Amarinder Singh today alleged that the SGPC has become a "den of corruption" and said it was the duty of the Sikhs to get rid of its administration. He said ever since Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal took over the SGPC, it has become a den of corruption. It was the moral duty of the Sikhs, including him, to get rid of such a corrupt organisation. "The SGPC elections were held, once when I was the PPCC president and then again while I was the CM. But the Congress party took no part in them," he claimed. "Nevertheless, I have every right to express my individual opinion and call upon my community to vote for cleansing of the SGPC and free the Gurudwaras from those constantly mis-managing them”. - Amarinder Singh

Why feel bad for events which are out of your control. A Kara is not something magical, it is an item which Guru Gobind Singh gave us to remind us about our commitment to Waheguru and it serves as a gauntlet against enemy strikes (well most people of day, there Kara would no way be able to defend a sword strike lol). So even if it did fall on the floor, attracted some dirt it has no affect on you apart from psychologically. People say to put Kara in dastaar, pocket or where ever, but the whole point of kara is to be on your wrist to protect you and remind your of your commitments, keeping it hidden goes against the points of having the kara in the first place. You really should contact your manager or where ever you work to allow you to wear your kara since it is part of your faith. And if all goes well, well it will never fall on the floor again! Apologies if it sounds like a negative post.

Some SGPC members openly admit they are freemasons and say there is nothing wrong with it, since it attempts to join all religions. But at higher levels of masonry you have to become a Jew (and commence there rituals to initiate), so maybe these SGPC members (weather they truly are for the panth (lol) or just in it for the £££ or something else), the fact is freemasonry which at the top is all about Zionism/Judaism, it's true goal is to eradicate every other religion apart from there own, the only reason why they are so successful is due to the massive global influence they have over the world. And guess what, all the Sikh free-masons are prominent doctors of the city, principle of the government medical college, senior lawyers, business tycoons and other influential people. But at the current rate of politics involved in SGPC, it'll will be the downfall of Sikhi, well I should say the downfall has already begun they are playing games with the fundamentals of Sikhi. Members of SGPC should be chosen by the Khalsa's sangat, not on a corrupt system of political elections, since the present SGPC members know nothing of Gurmat anyway. As the OP pretty much said; SGPC has control over Akal Takht. Now you tell me something isn't wrong with that.