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The witness speaks of the sufferings and lack of warning offered of the indian state terrorist army attack on the Golden temple. She recalls how the indian army led by the demonic dog general brar the criminal corrupt atheist indian nationalist showed no mercy to Sikhs it was an major terrorist attack on the heart and minds of Sikhs worldwide

Well at least they have admitted they guilty. What we need to understand is why laws are made and why we need to have our own sikh laws to prevent such future cases arising. If a person breaks a countrys laws they then face consequences. We need a Sikh law also to prevent Sikh girls getting caught up in relationships with non-sikhs if they break that law there will be consequences if they under age then their parents will have to face the music of the community for their neglect of duty in raising their child in the right way and if they suspect their kid is getting wayward into non-sikh path and environment they must inform the community to help them bring back the child from the bad paths in life. I suspect nothing concrete will be done to get at the root problem of these cases. Which is neglect of parent of their daughter, and the daughter having too much non-sikh influences in her life making her think its ok to get involved with these perverts for financial gain. Just like how the white atheist girls were groomed by the muslim street grooming gangs the white girls wanted free take aways, gifts, cigarettes, alcohol, drugs and in return they offered free sex. The same thing was and is being used against Indian origin girls since the 80s. You have to bring the fear back into the Sikh girls minds that if they step into this path their parents will be held accountable along with themselves. Females are more willing to comply with strong authority than males do... and the reason why western society is in such a mess with their kids running amock on the streets and their girls easy prey for muslim pedo conversion gangs is because these kids do not have any fear in their lives any more since the feminist agenda broke the traditional family unit down in the 90s.

The way I would deal with the drug dealers who maybe foreign african black students or indigenous punjabi students is beat them to an inch of their life until they repent and see the errors of their way and promise to never behave like an animal.... respect punjabi Sikh culture or face the consequences. If people of all races are well behaved and do not carry out activities to appear "bad" have kind of swagger like they can go around disrespecting punjabi norms and customs.... then they shoud be welcomed with open arms. There should be no room for racism in Punjab or Sikhism.... we believe in treating humanity as equals. Theis the problem in western nations is when you allow people to get away with bad behaviour.... when you allow the promotion of black gangster rap and bad boy movies where the black actors try and make it cool to look bad and do bad things then automatically people are going to be brainwashed to think yeah I should do that cos people respect me if i do. As for the Bangladeshi / non-punjabi indian migrant / muslim / hindu gangs killing and raping punjabi people that have migrated into punjab well theres only 1 solution for them also beat them to an inch of their life then make them "disappear". There is no point keeping those kind of animals alive if they have been caught committing these very serious crimes in the Sikh homeland.

This is exactly the reason why I say sikhism dont believe in physical existance of hindu gods and other chracters from abrahmic religions such as satan,etc. When you start to believe they exist you can become confused thinking whats the harm in worshipping them or doing mantra's. The reason why Sikhs dont believe in hindu gods or other religion characters is because they are all fake and doing any of their mantra's will only lead you to your doom in the next life. A Sikh should only meditate on the one true God waheguru the one source of all creation and of all mythological characters like indra's, hanumans, krishna's, satan's, ravan's. These demi gods, demons, angels or fallen dark angels concepts that gurbani talks about in order to talk to the audience of 15th-17th century people who did believe that these beings physically existed. Us in the 21st century most of us who are intelligent dont believe in their existance unless hard solid proof evidence can be provided which at present doesnt exist. Either way if they exist or dont exist it shouldnt matter to a Sikh a Sikh should only worship and do "mantra's" naam simran meditation to waheguru the source of all creation who resides in every beings heart.

its fairly common knowledge among intelligent people that kaaba was a hindu mandir and tradiing centre for pagan hindus across asia major to gather and do commerce and worship their 360 idol gods. Most of the evidence of hindu vedic roots of arabia and other now muslim nations have been destroyed by muhammads arab islamic gangsters over the centuries so that the arabs do not see their roots their ancestors, see their rich heritage prior to advent of islam. There are still some pagan hindu palaces surviving in arabia its quite famous i forget its name, also various statues of the quresh tribe god al-lah have been found during archeology digs where it shows the idol of a god on its throne with star and crescent moon on its front.

its a good thing that happened and a timely reminder for american Sikhs not to fall asleep and not to forget who murdered you fellow brothers and sisters in a gurdwara. American Sikhs have fallen asleep after the horrific terrorist attack by the white nazi american terrorist wade page (probably a covert name for black op operatives within us army) american Sikhs failed to attack white supremacist ideology..... failed to get their websites (like stormfront,etc)and their "white power" music ideology shut down.... they failed on all levels to hit hard at the deep entrenched racist attitude against brown skinned people against non-christian white peoples since 9/11 ...most attacks on "muslim looking people" have actually been on Sikhs who are an entirely innocent party. I've read news reports that say boston was the biggest terrorist attack on america since 9./11 how dare the white western mainstream media suggest that!!! Arent the 6 american Sikhs who died a year ago part and parcell of american society? They were brutally killed it was a terrorist attack even obama stated so and yet the white western media choses to gloss over the racist terrorists from their majority white community. Waheguru is testing you american Sikhs do not dare to fall asleep campaign and fight hard those who fight you and make sure your victorious until white supremacists and their vile race hate ideology is either destroyed or driven to the gutter where it belongs because they physically attacked you first and murdered 6 precious innocent Sikh lives. Do not forget!!!!

It's all down to interruptions and what you personally believe if you think there is a physical evil character called satan then fair enough if that helps you in your sikhi and fighting evil then great..... if people believe there are physical hindu gods around then good luck to them too. Me personally I believe they are all methapors that are used by guru ji to talk the various different religious audiences so they can relate to his message. It would be interesting if there was physical hard evidence of these characters to exist but sadly there isnt any so we can all draw our own conclusions what to believe. The dark energies I talk about is that within each human being we have a chance to do right and wrong at every instance we have choice to go to the dark and evil side of our being or the good and light side of our being. Majority of humans and particular Sikhs chose the good side and energies that are positive for humanity and themselves whereas other people who dont have a faith or have a faith that doesnt promote goodness amoung humanity may chose the dark side for their own selfish gain. Satanism from what ive read about is all about the self and selfish gain what you can get out in this life even if you have to harm others in the pursuit of it thats why most capitalists are satanists they chose evil for their path in life and in this and next life they will suffer big time.

No bro, no such thing as satan in Sikhism. When sri guru nanak dev ji talks about satan in scriptures he is talking to muslims mostly to fix up because they believe in that sort of thing so for them to listen to his message he has to use terms things they understand and similarly when he talks to hindus in scripture he talks about hindu gods ram, krishna, brahma, etc these gods dont exist they are metaphors for the qualities of God an for hindus to understand the message of the Guru these terms are used. So since you was a christian for you to understand Sikhism and guru ji's message you can relate when he talks abt satan. There is no such dark character in Sikhism unlike abrahmic religions, Sikhs believe there is dark thoughts and dark energies that you can chose to be good or bad those who chose bad thoughts bad actions will suffer in this life and the next. Those who choose good thoughts and good actions will be liberated after this life is over.

I dont buy the whole vulnerable girl thing once a girl has turned 16, I know the difference between right and wrong at 8... Read the posts I have posted about Islam and this case again dont think you can call me a dhimmi! What im saying is you can argue for example the muslim guys were vulnerable at the time they committed the offences that they had issues in their life so what they did was moment of madness and lapse of judgment and they are sincerely remorseful for thier actions. They havent said that but thats the agument you can make if you was to play the other side. And what message does it say to other Sikh girls who are messing around with muslim guys and only cry rape or exploitation after they have a feeling of shame? Too many times we have allowed Sikh females in society to get away with getting off with non-sikh guys by their OWN chosing. They werent forced by these guys to do what she did... if they had raped her had forced her then its a different story and mine and our sympathy go whole heartedly towards her but if she chose to be with those guys and then later hafe a change of heart then its a different story altogether then its like those cry rape stories you hear about those white secular atheist women often do to get back at the guy who is obviously that he did anything wrong thinking its consensual sex they had. We need to stop playing into the hands of the feminists and also hold the girls who get off with non-sikh guys to account otherwise it gives a green light and sends a wrong message saying its ok mess around with muslim guys mess around with non-sikh guys and when they used and abused you the Sikh community will welcome you with open arms for protection and security. No we can not let that kind of message be sent out....we have to be strict to be kind for the sake of these naive impressionable stupid Sikh girls who may or may not know the consequences of what they get themselves involved in. Yes we will give you security and support you if you are abused and harmed but we want you girls to help protect other Sikh girls from muslim pedo conversion guys / gangs in return.

The way the grooming works with muslim pedo and sexual exploitation street gangs is text book from the various Indian girl cases that came to light in the late 90s. Where they would make a Sikh or hindu girl fall in love and then buy them gifts make them feel loved and special they would even lie to them about their name and religion and only tell them the truth after they have made the girl fall in love and thats when they start to play the tough guy and use and abuse the girl for when they need her. After they have used her they know her parents would be ashmed of her if she told them so she must probably wouldn't and that shame will keep her silence and so they move on to the next non-muslim girl to exploit. These abusive perverted muslim guys and their gangs have targetted muslim girls too in the past I have read cases of them doing the same thing to them but its often very few in number and muslim girls dont really speak out about it because for them its a bigger shame as in Islam its called zina and thats punishable by death according to sharia law. Also the muslim guys usally target non-muslim girls because they do not want to ruin a fellow muslim "sister" and bare witness to allah on judgement day that they ruined a muslim sisters honour so a kafir girls honour is worthless to them and so taking the lesson of their prophet who kept non-muslim sex slaves they do the same thing.

LegalSingh does have a point, that girl is not underage for sex legally she is above the age of consent so therefore those muslim guys on triall cant be called paedo's unless they groomed her prior to her turning 16 which is unlikely. What they are getting done for is child sex trafficking and exploitation because legally shes under 18 so technically still a child but over the age of consent to have sex. So the law says that she can have sex whoever she wishes but if someone takes pics of her (as she under 18 they become paedo's) or gives her money for sex or shares her around to exploit her for abuse and financial gain then it becomes illegal. So its a legal minefield with regards to what these muslim guys have got themselves into. Either way they and their families will be more damaged by this case than the girl so it should serve as a warning notice to other muslim guys that if you mess with Sikh girls if you mess around with non-muslim girls like this you will not only face the fury of Sikh gangs and community but also legal action and being branded a paedo if convicted. Again the Sikh girls parents and the girl herself need to be held accountable for their actions. I knew the difference between right and wrong at age 8 onwards... in science it is stated girls mature faster than boys especially during puberty so girls at 16 are more mature than guys of their age by 2-3years. Therefore she has no excuse for getting off with a non-sikh guy a muslim guy. For getting involved in drugs and alcohol. Sure people do not have the right state of mind and do crazy things in their life but we have read newspaper article that in court evidence she was deliberately prostituting herself with her "friends" before she met the pervy muslim guys at a diwali event of all places. She was money motivated, so again what is this western materialist culture that has been engrained in our young people that you have to lose your self respect, your dignity, exploit your body to earn money this way because you cant get a job or your parents wont give you enough money to buy the latest ipad, iphone, gucci handbag. Her parents also do not have excuse in not raising her and looking after her properly they too need questions asked and made to see the disaster that has fallen their family so that they can make others aware in the community what can happen to your daughter or family if you dont raise them properly.

This problem has been going on for well over 20years. This case has opened the lid to what every British Sikh knew how vile some muslim guys operate and what their agenda is. Question is will Sikh parents carry on letting their brainless young impressionable immature daughters get groomed by islamo-fascist perverts. Will these naive Sikh girls themselves stop letting themselves get abused by dating and getting off with non-sikhs especially muslim guys? Vast majority of Sikh girls wouldnt go with out with non-sikh guys especially muslims because they know they are unhygenic and their islamic ideology is perverted and backwards but the ones that stray and are not parented properly by liberal or too strict parents so they make easy prey for these rats. Got to hand it to the large sikh gang that swarmed and smashed the moghul darbar restruant in lesta and smashed in the dogs hiding in there. It's a shame 7 Sikhs got arrested and sent to jail for their heroic deeds but once their out im sure they will be hailed as heros and more will join their ranks targeting these muslim sexual exploitation gangs if more cases come to light.

No dont think labour party is infiltrated by paedophiles lol. It's infiltrated by the gay lobby (peter mandalson and others), by capitalists like Keith vaz who has connection with corrupt politicians and businessmen from India (ie the billionaire hinduja brothers). Labour has been infiltrated by war criminals posing as socialists like tony blair and his zionest coherts (banking financiers) and its infiltrated by islamic fundamentalist MP's like sadiq khan and others and its infiltrated by the feminists extremists like harriet harmen (who hates men and fathers rights).New labour party is toxic cocktail of nastyness and nothing of the sort of what old labour party was that had a true vision and true alliance the with the working class. The New Labour pary lost the plot and last election because of all the foreign wars (state terrorism illegal wars), the sharp increase in CCTV state survillence and monitoring given to military intelligence agencies against freedom and human rights, the tuition uni fee's introduction and increase, the introduction of draconian anti-free speech anti-freedom fighting laws that made people criminals simply for having a different opinion because someone found their comment offensive or supporting a armed group fighting for its freedom from an oppressor state (ie india). So in all the labour party should be best avoid if someone has true intelligence. Rather than vote UKIP or Tories. Sikhs should look at forming their own party or creating cross party voting blocks/lobby where they can influence British politics like jewish and gay lobby have done.

Disgusting and sickening the amount of muslim paedophile rape and sexual exploitation gangs there in the UK preying on Sikh, Hindu and other non-muslim girls such as atheist white girls as recent cases have shown. But it doesnt suprise me that these foolish naive girls (who maybe legally over the age of consent)... CHOSE to mess around with these vile muslim guys knowing or not knowing of the consequences of their actions. When I was in school, college and uni days I too encountered these type of slaggy Indian, paki, bengali, white, black girls (of all religions) who wouldnt mind sleeping around with older guys because of their own sexual desires and immaturity and thinking they are grown up and cool now. They would even exploit their bodies for money so if this punjabi girl did offer so called sexual favors for money I would not be suprised. Lets not let the girls off the hook when they get with muslim guys and are exploited they too need to feel the full fury of the community if they CHOSE to get involved willingly with a muslim guy or any guy that is indecent. There have been various news stories over the years posted of muslim rapists and sikh girls who were duped by their ex-bf into committing crimes for them. So parents are not doing their job evidently teaching their daughters of the dangers I call that neglect of duty. so lets not let any sikh girls parents of the hook either for such incidents. I am glad that the Sikh community in lesta are not sleeping that they are willing to get on the streets and punish those who exploit stupid non-muslim girls thinking the Sikhs will not react or defend their sisters in faith honor even if some of these so called sisters are a liability to the kaum than an asset. I read of many hindu girls are exploited by their muslim bf's in on hindu forums but rather standing up to the muslim paedo rapists they stay slient and even would offer more of their women to the muslims like in history to get financial gain. So one positive outcome that we can get from this case is that Sikh do not take too kindly to those who mess with our womenfolk.

you have a point they didnt trust each other but the bigger mess was the punjab partition and genocide of Sikhs and loss of very important historical shrines and gurdwara's in newly created pakistan. Creation of Pakistan and Indian Union has been the biggest disaster for the Sikh community since the rule of the mughual islamic nutjob aurangzeb and buddies.So your central point is invalid by the course of recent historical events. Sikhistan / Khalistan was a viable option had the selfish moronic Sikh maharajah's saw what was good for them in the long term, their Sikh faith and community but unfortunately they didnt. So like selfish dogs they chose to trust the brutal oppressive white british administrators of the empire (who did not want smaller kingdoms to remain for economic trading reasons) and the congress brahminwad hindustani atheist india nationalists. Btw is TandooriSingh = SamosaSingh A hindustani troll?

Personally I think the "Sikh" former maharajah's and their heirs deserve to have every penny ....every rupee taken off them and donated to the shaheeds of the Sikh kaum. These so called maharajah's and their offsprings like captain amrinder singh of the congress party have done nothing for the Sikh kaum since the founding of the Indian union in 1947. They had a chance to create a khalistan/sikhistan as a counter buffer nation state to pakistan and indian but chose to side with the congress leaders and join the indian union of states in the process losing all their power and their kingdoms and having to surviver like a begger at the door of the other "elites" in new delhi laal qilla. How foolishly they were and how they made the Sikh kaum suffer and did not help 1 inch for the Sikh nation to get out of the indian union either through politics or legitimate armed struggle. So whether their property's and mansions or palaces and land is back in "Sikh" hands in regards to their heirs makes no difference to us because these leeches have forgotten their faith and roots they rather live out their lives in luxury and comfort at the expense of their fellow Sikh adherents ...they have not taken heed what the message of the Guru's is and like karma they need to reap what they sow.

Yeah I would have to agree with you there dal khalsa uk have lost the plot for real if they talking about foreign african students attacking people just too absurd and surreal. However if they talking about the kale kachewale then thats a different matter. From what I know the kale kachewale are a gang of unwashed dark skinned indian black underpants wearing robbers usually low caste hindu dalit sudra types from various parts of india and punjab who got nothing to loose so carry out what they carry out to survive. They may have a hierarchy where they take orders from higher caste indian hindu criminals. If such people are back in punjab robbing and killing people with impunity ...well then panchiyat armed militia's need to be developed to guard villages, towns and cities if the police cant do their job.

I very much doubt its african students doing any attacks sounds too absurd. Society In india is fairly communal...it adheres to a racist and castist hindu brahminwad system. To suggest African students who came to study to punjab of all places from aboard and going around attacking people seems like fantasy to me. Until i see solid hard proof of what dal khalsa uk and others is going on about I am very skeptical on the issue. As for covert hindutva terrorist gangs from else where around india and punjab itself going around killing people for no reason that dont suprise me because hinduism is a mess as is hindu society and we have seen they have no issues carrying out genocides of people who try to fight their corrupt system and governance. As for poor low caste muslim migrants doing the same.... I highly doubt it although I would like to see them not remain in punjab and northern india altogether for demographics sake. So in conclusion we need hard evidence, ie photo's of victims details, testimony's from relatives/villagers. All this is lacking and this is why no one believes the rumours being spread by loud mouths dal khalsa UK who seem to be online active on the internet and nowhere to be found in real life wheras at least shiv sena (as much as we may abhor them) are able to show themselves on the streets of india and punjab. No units of Dal khalsa cant even be found in the sikh homeland of punjab itself! shameful

Not even one authentic article on the matter from respected Sikh news sources or punjab news sources. Only news from Dal Khalsa UK who are often known to cry wolf to scaremonger people into reacting harshly then wonder no one takes them seriously when nothing of the sort is found and then they further lose credibility. I remember reading this tweet recently where someone posted RIP to a singh who was alleged to have been killed defending Sikh girls from a pakistani muslim paedo rape gang. Turns out the story/tweet was fake posted by a fool trying to incite trouble where there wasn't one even the west mids police confirmed there was no such case.

The best way for muslims to convert to Sikhism is during conflict with Islam. Only when Sikhs went to war with tyrannical muslim rulers like the moghuls did the muslims see the anti-freedom totalitarian tyranny of islamic rule and law versus the righteous egalitarian rule of the Sikhs and their laws. Eg Banda Singh Bahadur liberated sirhind from mohgul muslim rule and gave muslims a choice run away to muslims ruled area's or convert to Sikhism they chose to embrace Sikhism. Similarly when Sikh khalsa army attacked peshawar it was first time in history the pathans were subjugated under non-muslim rule since muhammads arab supremest gang took them over from the hindus / jews orgin their ancestors were from. Also it was at that time many pasthuns became Sikhs because again they saw a better system of governance and freedoms and human rights. Obviously the jihadi's wahaaabi salafi's did not take too kindly too the woeing of muslims to Sikhism so tried their best to launch jihads against Sikh rule but were unsuccessful until the british east india company the white British christian supremist morons arrived on the scene and ruined things for which the west and the world is paying for right now. Basically Islam is like a run away train it will not stop attacking other faith populations unless it is made to stop made to push back into arabia. If a non-muslim doesnt not understand this particularly leaders of non-muslim communities then they must learn lessons of history and see how if you dont resist the tyranny your subjugated and submerged by simple mass of numbers of muslims vs the dwindling non-muslim population your community had in the past.

Thursday, July,25 2013 - 11:43 AMRITSAR: A delegation of Muslim representatives has met Jathedar Akal Takht Giani Gurbachan Singh on the issue of alleged conversion of Sikhs into Islam by former DGP Mohammad Izhar Alam. Sources reveal that the delegation comprising Usman Sadiq, Suleiman Josh, Mohammad Hanif and twelve others from Malerkotla visited Jathedars residence and denied conversion of Sikhs into Islam. All India Sikh Students Federation president Karnail Singh Peermohammad had last week submitted memorandum to Jathedar alleged that the former super cop was actively involved in converting Sikh children of poor farmer families to Islam. He had flayed Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee and Akali government for its inability to stop such conversions. Demanding inquiry into the conversions, Peermohammad had also asked the state government to prevent such malpractice. The Muslim delegation said the names of Sikhs mentioned by Peermohammad were actually never Sikhs but those Muslims who were left in India during partition and had become Sikhs to save their lives. Jathedar confirming the meeting with Muslim delegation, however, kept mum on the discussion with the delegation. AISSF president Peermohammad while talking to Punjabnewsline said, the meeting of Muslim delegation with Jathedar confirms his allegations of alleged conversions. He questioned even if those converted to Islam were Muslims before partition why their children or even they are being converted 66 years after independence. Peermohammad said he had deep reverence for all the religions but such conversions were intolerable. Being a Sikh, I have raised my concern with Jathedar Akal Takht and done my duty. Now Jathedar Sahib, SGPC, Dharam Parchar Committee have to further pursue the matter and take action in the benefit of whole community. Source : Punjab Newsline Network - See more at: http://www.punjabnewsline.com/news/conversion-of-sikhs-to-islam-muslim-delegation-meets-jathedar/83397#sthash.sRkyNYqZ.dpuf

I think you'll find the aggressor in this alteraction was Edward Terry. Although I do no agree with the Sikh guy's personal habits of drinking and smoking he is no way a singh and probably doesnt wear a turban. However no one deserves to be racially and physically assaulted by anyone i'm suprised and appalled you of all people as "legalsingh" are advocating violence against your own Sikh brother and siding with a racist who attacked him.

No Sikhs dont go out of their way to convert people like muslims who must do dawah to non-muslims to get brownie points/rewards from allah like a high pressure sales pitch. However if non-sikh people want to convert or if they want to learn about your religion then thats fine you can guide them on how to become a Sikh.

no where in sikhism does it say do not convert other people to the faith. And nor does it say in sikh scriptures that all faiths are equal this is a myth made by anti-sikh people that do not want to share the jewel of sikhism and who want sikhism to be some kind of small group cult which it isnt. In sikh scriptures in Sri guru granth sahib ji it states that various holy books of major world religions are true that is they all have truth to them doesnt mean they are all correct and only hold the truth as most of them contradict each other. Sikhi is the truth and is the true religion because it goes direct to the source of creation waheguru. It says dont worry about all the rituals that hindus, christians,jews,muslims,etc tell you to do that is all temporal that does not please God. Only thing that waheguru wants from you is remember him connect with him and this will naturally make you a Sikh that wants to do other more good deeds out of love for waheguru.