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Pritam Singh ji, you are allowed to ananlyse other religious practices, but why not analyse, strangely all that you seem to do is 'mock' other religious practices, or not? If they defame sikhs then why are you copying them, why are you becoming like them to beat them? We don't cry if you expose others practices, and your not exposing anything, its out there on the net for the world to read and watch. Your approach is unlikely to stop the hindus. And if you have this strange idea that all those against yourr posts are hindus in disguise then I wont try to convince you otherwise. If you want to discuss what Guru Ji condemn in Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib JI then why not do this- start up a thread titled 'what Guru Ji condemn so we know what not to do'. I don't see how admin can be against that topic because we are discussing what Guru JI want us to know.

This topic is plain sad. You want to educate people on what some hindus do that you don't agree with then be my guest but what's with laughing at them and calling them weird? You might not know it so I will tell you, there are different religions in this world and us sikhs live among these people, we do not laugh at them to make ourselves feel better, we feel good about ourselves because of who we are. We never look down on others because they show devotion in a way that you disprove of. Does it make you happy to make this comparison- them not good we good. What is this site coming to? There are Hindus in this world who I think you will find good but I don't have time to find any pictures now and put them up. When hindus laugh at us for no reason then I hope you don't get worked up about it, these men sitting in the village who perhaps never marry look harmless to me, if you want to laugh at a hindu laugh at the fools that are controlling India today. This thread was created as someone said ''please' so now I'm saying ''please' create a thread that laughs at sikhs, oh pretty pretty please.

Better still why not have the McDonalds versian where one goes in and orders a certain meal? I have to admit I can understand Randip Singh's views and maybe we don't know what Guru Jis would have let us do but when one sits completely humble they sit on the lowest level possible and that's the floor.

The question is are you a sikh? If no then do you want to become a child of Guru Ji? If yes then do you think what you are doing is within the teachings, are you a sikh according to the definition of sikhi? No one can say you are good you are bad. The sangat has too committed too many sins to be able to judge another in my opinion. Don't ask questions that will mean others criticise you from the start, tell the sangat if you want to change because then they can all try to tell you what they think you could do better. Hearing people have a go at you because you cut your hair is hardly going to achieve anything, but admit what you have done so others can talk to you about it.

He is NOT my baba, bhaaji I don't know a great deal about him but I would not go so far as to equate him to Baba Jarnail Singh Ji. Think of him as a 'singh', then why is he wrong for encouraging others to shak amrit? Why is he wrong for keeping the money? Lets not forget that most people keep what they are given by sangat whilst on the stage. Exactly how did I compare him to our GREAT GURU JI? I said if spreading the word of God is right for them then it can not be wrong for sikhs to do so either. I'm asking everyone to compare him to the everyday singh and then pass judgment- problem is you're comparing him to the Guru Jis and Baba Jarnail Singh Ji and that's why you dislike him. Can you fight or put your hand on tawa? Have you seen him with anti sikh men/women compromising for shanti or is that an idea you came up with whilst drinking coffee? Chill bhaaji because this baba is not claiming to be a soorma so don't unnecessarily waste time debating that he is not a soorma!

International Akaali you remind me of the other singhs I was talking about in my last post who go to listen to this baba ji and know a lot about him but discourage others from doing so. No one is disputing that Guru Ji are perfect- we ALL accept that! This tarna argument is not getting anyone away from those diwaans. International Akaali some people take amrit due to peer pressure but baba ji is not forcing people - get over it! If you are against this baba then you must also be against all those sikhs in history who went from one village to the next encouraging people to become Guru Ji's sikh- then there is something seriously wrong. Then Sri Guru Nanak Sahib Ji must have been 'forcing' people when they went to different places spreading God's message? And don't even bother with the 'you're comparing Guru Ji to some next baba' because I'm using egs. If its ok for parents to encourage their children to become Guru Ji's sikh then why is it wrong for one sikh to encourage more sikh to become Guru Ji's sikh?

People need to get over it. He does one thing you don't like but you lot do more mistakes in half an hour and not near as much good as he does so some people need to think before they start on other Singhs. How does that Indian saying go? Look under your own chair before talking bad about others? Last year people were saying don't listen to the kirtan, don't go to his diwaans, those people were there themselves, not alone, they took others as well, not to challenge Baba Ranjit Singh Ji, but to listen to the kirtan, that is all they did, then they came home and went to sleep,the next day they called people up to tell them not to go again. After a while you realise some people need to be ignored when they bad mouth others.

lol let me point something out ji. Learn to read between the lines. That was put up to silence that prat persona who seems to have nothing original to say but uses his brain when it suits him. If you have something to say against the points made above, then lets please hear them??? Fateh Did I miss something? I agree with what the person above had written so why must I say something against those points?

Why has that woman kept her nails? BTW thought a sikhs enemy was his mind, unable to control it that is why! Unless they can control of course!

In reply to the above quote, want to add that Guru Ji did have one sikh fight sava lakh. Guru Ji did not 'barely manage to escape' but left under the hukam of the Panj Pyare (correct me if I am wrong) which means Guru Ji was going to stay and then maybe even fight. When one understands that Guru Ji treated their family and sikhs as one then one begins to understand why I claim to have faith in and love for Guru Ji ( not any normal individual I don't think).

Max what was your post on about

The advice given above was good but one thing I will disagree on is that he sees women as an object, he simply wants a virgin because he is one. Although he has accepted that she is not one and he has learnt to forgive her for this one. Putting her life story on the net but changing her name doesn't change what you did, you still went and told a lot of people. It's perhaps not wrong because it's helping you to ask for help. You need to decide what YOU want from your life and whether you are getting that here? Ask God, go Gurdwara!

Sorry but where is the lack of self respect there, I didn't notice what you did. I'm not saying this for debate but is that not a group of girls with good intentions but lack of knowledge on sikhi grouping together to stand for their rights?

maybe he not either, I'm upset about this comment but no need to call fellow human beings that (no offence)

You're asking for help for something that someone said. Sure someone on this forum can help you but I see this as more of a test, if you're in so much bairag then does someone's comment about your eyes matter? If this person is very religious then maybe he said what God wanted him to say, perhaps to make you feel sad and to see howmuch more you could take this sewa. You're so fortunate to feel so much bairag doing sewa, concentrate on that and next time if you ever are asked that question, ask with the same love that you were doing sewa, why that's relevant. I'm sure it must feel painful to hear those words but ignore what's happened for now and next time don't ignore it but that certainly does not mean show anger. Are you feeling better now that its been time since that event?

I can't say what you are, I don't know you, but your posts are always good to read so don't ever stop giving your opinion. Here we are all giving our opinion, some things are obvious such as who our Guru Ji are but most things aren't. We don't know who Guru Ji has accepted as his own and who He hasn't. Maybe you're lost but IMHO I think you know the way but you haven't chosen to go that way, so how can you be lost? Carry on posting!

Me wants to just say that you have the pyaar so dont back off no matter what!

The clothes might just be her way of showing she likes you although she has never met you. Maybe you will never know until you get someone to do a check on them? Without their knowledge.

Now lets assume I am not familiar with the english language, why not go for the dictionary definition, very similar to saying book and if you said the word book I would react the same way as I have now. As you are on a forum and not with your friends, why not use words the way they are used in everyday english? yeah? I am NOT saying you can not enjoy Guru Ji's words, I'm saying don't enjoy them as if these words are like a book. Appreciate these words for what they are- Waheguru Ji's words! When did I say you cant read Guru Ji's words? I'm not getting into an argument, I'm simply finding some of the language disrespectful.

Uncertain feelings is one thing but maybe you need to check all this. Maybe he does love you. The only thing is that I have to admit you don't normally see an Indian mother in law happily calling your children her grandchildren. Some things don't add up. Same time, there are people out there are do love people for reasons other than a green card.

Sorry- going off topic, Surd r cute, grow up and if possible do it fast! I agree with everyone who says do ardas, definitely. If you want to be sure, why not send someone to India to meet his family and find out about him, without sounding silly he may already have someone back home but remember that we are not saying this to creat doubt for you. You need to trust him but we cannot deny that people do get married for the green card (to become an american citizen). Do some checks on him but even if you don't the only being that may save you is God so do ardas!

Well i don't agree (IMHO) that only gurdwaras should have the guru granth sahib ji... the SGGS isnt a god nor is it higher than waheguru.. the SGGS is essentially a "manual" for us sikhs to READ and ENJOY and MEDITATE on. How can we do that if someone else is reading it for us and it's in a location that isnt always easy to get at. what would stop "abusing" the guru granth sahib ji is if people stop selling it and instead donate it to willing, respectable and honest sikhs who want to have the guru's words with them. This does not excuse us from going to gurdwara, yet we all have a right to read the guru's word. And in reagards to translations... if we are going global, then how can one location do all the translating??? it's called logistics... Before I get into this post I have to say that's one shocking post. Let's define the word Gurdwara shall we? It is where Guru Ji are. So if someone has Guru Ji in a house that in effect becomes a Gurdwara. Although I admit that you wont see langar etc in those homes but the point is that is the definition of a Gurdwara. Manual? NO it is not a manual, I know everyone above me has spoken against your post but I still want to post to the shocking post. As a Sikh how can you even treat Guru Ji as a manual to read and enjoy? You said that Guru Ji are not Waheguru, BUT Guru Ji say that the bani in Guru Ji is straight from God so what you read is Waheguru Ji's words .(and could someone correct me if I am wrong please). You are meditating on the bani, so of course one can listen to bani, in fact that's what happens at the Gurdwara and surely Guru Ji did not make the Gurdwara for the fun of it. If you're not aware may I inform you that Gutkas are available for those who wish to read certain parts of Guru Ji's bani. Tapes are available so listen to them and then learn and recite. I agree with you when you say that Guru Ji should not be sold, it is very sad that a price is being put on Guru Ji's bani, extremely sad in my opinion. But to use the word 'donate' sounds rather rude. How about, give? Respect your Guru, you wouldn't donate a normal human being so why Guru Ji? As for translation, lets explain shall we, one group of people in one house can take responsbility for the translation of Guru Ji's words into certain other languages. This is one way of ensuring that bani is not interepreted the wrong way by people. Guru Ji are not a hard back book that needs to be delivered to the book shop near you, lets haev some respect yeah? You can carry on talking about logisitics and we will talk about our Guru Ji who we want to respect and all else comes after that. Thanks for reading this.