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  1. How are minority communities treated in countries run by Buddhists e.g. Siri Lanka, Burma, etc ?
  2. I've noticed alot of sikhs of late 20's and 30's (especially amritdhari) are not getting into wedlock. This will have detrimental effect on sikh population.
  3. The term Taksal was not used to refer to Jatha Bhindrawala before Operation Blue Star.
  4. If you reside in UK, please contact Dharsan Singh Sohal of Southall - who was the senior student of Gian Singh Almast.
  5. Don't forget that Sant Gurbachan Singh has written that both "waheguru" mantar and "ik onkaar" can be beej mantar. Although I believe bij mantar is "waheguru" I respect Sant jee's view that "ik onkaar" is also bij mantar aswell as "waheguru" So chanting "waheguru waheguru" equals doing both gurmantar and bij mantar jaap!
  6. The mool mantar debate has been ended once and for all by an intelligent gursikh: Nowadays we have idiots who say in their katha that those who read upto gurprasad will go to hell. But they forget their own taksaal says upto gurprasad is a valid mantar - maha mantar. If someone calls it mool mantar then let them, no harm done, from your point of view you can just think they are actually doing maha mantar which is perfectly valid and acceptable as a mantar in taksaal. So I hope this is one disagreement in the panth which can be left alone. Everyone agree?
  7. Yes that tuk could be translated any way you want, so let us not dwell on that tuk in this context then. Anyway the point is that in our out ithaas Guru Gobind Singh said say guru ZOR (with force) naal while keeping the tongue up which would produce a loud Gurrrrrrrroooooooo sound. However this is a naam simran jugti so it is not meant to be done randmly in kirtan smagam as is done nowadays in jatha smagams. Bhai Sahib was against this sort of pakhand of showing off that you can do naam abhiyaas in kirtan. In kirtan one can do simran silently or quietly.
  8. Method of Naam Simran. Someone started a good topic on this on another forum. Here is what was said: Unfortunatley there are various gursikhs in the jatha who are anti loud naam abhiyaas. If it is their personal preference to do simran quietly then that's fine. Just don't look down on others. They think they know better and follow lower level gursikhs in jatha (in comparison to bhai sahib) who prefer quiet simran. The point here is that both quiet and loud naam abhiyaas is parvaan in gurmat. Firstly they are going against Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh who advises to jap naam with force with gurmat vidhi which causes naam russ to come. Secondly let us go direct to the Guru ji for his advice. It is proven in ithaas that Guru Gobind Singh ji gave hukum to Mata ji to do swaas swaas simran and when saying guru touch the tounge to the palate and say guRU with force (zor naal). When done like that, it can give the sound effect of a lion roaring depending on how deep ones voice is. It may sound like a dog barking to his lord master. Or if in even higher pitch may sound like a rainbird singing to the clouds in the sky for the rain drops to come down. So those within or outside jatha who ridicule loud naam abhiyaas who sound like roaring lions are actually laughing at the hukum of Sri Guru Gobind Singh maharaj. So naam japo jio: ਮਿਲਿ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਸੰਤ ਜਨਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਾ ਜੈਕਾਰੋ ਰਾਮ ॥ The sainlty gursikhs do loud jaikare of Akaal! So be very careful what you laugh at… Sant ki ninda and conclusion: If yourself or any other taksali singh still has doubts then read the poem, which highly praises bhai sahib, which was written by Sant Gurbachan Singh himself. Gurbani defines a pooran sant who japps naam with every single breath. Now Bhai Sahib Randhir considered this avastha just the first stage! Bhai Sahib was actually much much higher then the basic avastha of aath pehar simran which all amritdharis actually should be doing as per hukum. So read sant ki ninda asthipadai of Sri Sukhmani Sahib to see what punishment one will get for doing ninda of a sant or a maha Sant (bhai sahib) in this case. To say a certain group is pratan and not another is a misnomer. What matters is how pratan the rehit is, not the group. Because all amrit can be traced back to Guru Gobind Singh ji. Where did Bhai sahib and other orginal jatha singhs shak amrit from? It all traces back to the original punj pyare. So although akj is newly formed in early last century, we personally believe our rehit is close to pratan, take this whatever way you like. The fact is Bhai Sahib never allowed himself to be called “sant baba”. This in itself is a pratan asool of sikhi. The sants who claim that they are from a pratan order and criticise new groups are themselves guilty of following a modern trend of calling themselves “sant”. Be intelligent, look at ithaas, all mahan gursikh brahmgyranis during that time were NOT titled “sant baba”. If a brahmgyani then was of elderly age only then they were called “baba” ji at the most. Otherwise even a great brahmgyani like Bhai Gurdaas Ji, whose bani is considered the key to understanding gurbani, was called “bhai” or “bhai sahib” The fact is Bhai Sahib wrote very beautifully about very high level sikhi. The only reason his writings touch the readers heart is because Bhai Sahib was himself a player of these high spiritual states. His writings on these high level avsthas is unmatched! Whoever considers themselves a seeker of truth ( a sikh) should read all book by Bhai Sahib and other Gursikhs/Sants without bias. Then see what you have to say. There are countless Singhs who did not believe in Raagmala but left this world effortlessly. Raagmala has nothing to do with how the Gursikhs left this world. There were many very vocal opponents of Raagmala during the times of Bhai Sahib and Bhai Sahib, though did not consider Raagmala as Bani, but was not an active preacher against it. He hardly wrote anything against Raagmala. Sant Gurbachan Singh jee Bhindranwale knew that Bhai Sahib did not consider Raagmala as Baani but this did not prevent him from praising Bhai Sahib as follows: ਦਿੱਹਲੀ ਮੇ ਰਕਾਬ ਗੰਜ ਕੰਧ ਢਾਹੀ ਫਿਰੰਗੀ, ਸਿੰਘ ਸਾਵਧਾਨ ਜਾਗੇ ਸੀਸਾਂ ਤਾਈਂ ਲਾਵਨੇ । In Delhi, the Firangis (British) tore down a wall of Gurdwara Rakabganj, alert Singhs (Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh jee) woke up to sacrifice their heads. ਭਾਈ ਰਣਧੀਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਸੀਸ ਦੇਣ ਆਪ ਗਏ, ਕੰਧ ਉਸਰਾਲੀ ਫੇਰ ਮੋਨੀ ਘਬਰਾਵਨੇ । Bhai Sahib himself went to sacrifice his head to construct the falled wall. ਸੰਤ ਰਣਧੀਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਨਾਮੁ ਲਿਵਲਾਈ ਜਿਨਾਂ, ਕੀਰਤਨ ਅਖੰਡ ਕਰੈ ਮਨ ਤ੍ਰਿਪਤਾਵਨੇ । Sant Randhir Singh did tuned his concentration to Naam and did non-stop Kirtan to satiate his mind. ਸਤਰਾਂ ਸਾਲ ਜੇਲ ਕਟੀ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਬੀਚ ਛਕੈ, ਧੰਨ ਗੁਰੂ ਪਿਆਰੇ ਮਨ ਤਨ ਰੰਗ ਗਾਵਨੇ ।।੭੭ ।। He spent 17 years in jail while eating in Sarbloh; Dhan are Guru Pyare (Bhai Sahib jee) who sang with love with mind and body. Sant Gurbachan Singh obviously had a lot of respect and love for Bhai Sahib. He calls Bhai Sahib a Sant. If Bhai Sahib was as bad as these pseudo Sikhs are declaring today, would Sant jee had praised Bhai Sahib this way? These people are only destroying their future by slandering Bhai Sahib jee. They can't compare to even a hair of Bhai Sahib and have almost no Kamaaee (as it is evident from their posts) but they have the audacity to slander Bhai Sahib. May their Sodha be done by Guru Sahib as per Gurmat. This is Kaljug and it is expected that a wide range of slandering of Bhagats will occur now. These people are playing into the hands of evil by slandering Bhai Sahib.
  9. There is a time for protest. When you are protesting about a long issue then such a protest to a democratic is hopeless. Why? because the government can choose to ignore or use delay tactics in doing something it as was the case with the protest at Downing St for Proff ji being on deathrow in India. The government kept ignoring us (very easy for them to do, no media coverage and not a sudden case) and now after so long (delay tactics) they said they might have a "talk" with India. Then we had this protest turn into a friendly social gathering with kirtan in the evenings. I believe this may have organised by goverment agents pretending to be gursikhs, which we know do exist. They turned a protest into a nice public show of kirtan and social gathering. If there was to be a protest, now, it would be over something like this - a sudden obvious attack on sikhs in delhi. It is protest material which the uk or any other democratic government cannot so blatenly ignore. If there was to be such a protest, then there would have good turn out and there to be some emotion i.e. chanting out slogans loudly in bir russ, showing our pain and rage over such a horrific and unjustified recent terror act against us (but never giving any signs of violence of course). Please discuss here and with friends/family. If there is going to be a protest it as to be asap, as the longer the delay after the event the less the effect of a protest.
  10. You can take it as a personal attack, and calling anyone who is against hindu rituals in sikhi as mr hindu allergy is getting old mate. You have suddenly changed your tune by agreeing with Johnny101. All I said was gurbani never salutes hindu god shiva and you, lacking respect for guru sahib, tried to show Guru Gobind Singh ji did with the following comment: "So can you explain why Guru Gobind Singh is insulting us by your view in the dasam granth with the following bani: Deh siva bar mohe eh-hey subh karman te kabhu na taro. Na daro arr seo jab jaye laro nischey kar apni jeet karo..." Why do you think Johnny had to explain this basic concept to you? because it was obvious that you falsely believe gurbani salutes Shiva. So I stand by what I said, you have openly declared your views after hundreds of posts, which do not fit in with the basic principles of sikhi. Taking this as a personal attack is a joke, no insult or mick taking was aimed at you. Personal attacks happen frequently here so try comparing them to what I said. MLOL again at making me out to have a hindu allergy because I refuse to believe that gurbani/sikhi condones worshiping any hindu deities!
  11. After almost 600 posts on sikhsangat you have finally openly declared your false views on sikhi. I wonder who else shares these views here. How can you or anyone else honestly believe, as a sikh, that Guru Gobind Singh ji here is saluting the hindu god shiva?
  12. However please do not slander Sri Jap ji Sahib. Nowhere does gurbani salute the hindu god shiva. Gursant Singh was telling us that yogi bhajan was Hindu at heart:
  13. DalbirSingh ji, thank you for your sensible reply. Firstly finding faults in Gursant Singh is not an excuse to ignore the great violations done by 3ho, so thank you for not doing that. About Gursant Singh, please provide evidence (a youtube clip of him sayin these things, extract of his book). I don't think a 99cents book is a way to seriously raise money, more like pay for the expenses of publishing and printing. If what you say about him is true then I will have no problem condeming those views, as we should condemn any anti gurmat views no matter who it is and what group they belong to.
  14. Please watch the following videos including other parts to it: In fact I would suggest watching all the videos in the channel for those unsure about the wrong teachings of 3ho. It is wrong to slander a jathebandi based on a few individuals commiting big violations of sikhi. However it is our duty to be aware of and warn the panth of any organsation which is actually BASED on anti sikh principles. This ex long term member of 3ho has been brave enough to publicly discuss anti sikhi practices of 3ho, especially its founder yogi bhajan. There was already a great book written on this by Dr Trilochan Singh regarding this issue but many people do not about this. A free pdf version is available online. However you will always get those with a snatan or vedant "all is one and good" type mindset having a soft spot for 3ho despite the evidence of their main princniples being hugely against the teachings of GuruSahib. Remember this isn't about exposing a random indiviual doing dodgy stuff and then using that as an excuse to attack a panthic jathebandi, this is about being aware of this group 3ho being based on and having teachings and principles which are very much against the teachings of gurbani. Clever ppl will say this is racist. No it isn't. Infact punjabi ppl normally love white people. So being against 3h0 is NOT being against white sikhs. 3ho have "sikhs" of various ethinicites. Then on the other hand white sikhs are found in other jathebandis so please do not foolishly take being against the teachings of 3h0 as being against anyone who is white. As this gursikhs in the youtube videos has said - if we don't bring awareness to the panth about their teachings and gross violations of gurmat then they will always be a danger of brainwashing innocent sikhs into their manmat. This is a worldwide sikh forum and it has a duty to teach correct sikhi and also warn us about any group which is teaching something which is very much against basic sikhi.
  15. taran0 ji, I humbly submit onto you that your facts are incorrect. Maybe all the sikhs then did not take khande pahul but they sure were all amritdhari (charan pahul shakiya see). To be a sikh of Guru Nanak one has to shak amrit whether in the form charan pahul or khande pahul (given by punj pyare). Unless someone is deluded I think it is very obvious that only khande bata da amrit is available know as Guru Sahib is no longer in human form, so charan pahul is not available now. Back to the topic. This topic seems abit silly because anyone of any religion, race, creed, amritdhari or non amritdhari can ask about sikhi and also discuss sikhi. If it were a case of a non amritdhari lecturing amritdharis on the values and lifestyle of sikhi then one could object to that, but anyone and everyone has the right to discuss and ask questions sikhi.
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