International Akaali

hahahahaha thats jokez sachkhand hahahaha

gurbax singh mahli doesnt know one word of english! secondly if they were to start there own party they wouldnt get one single vote.... all the gorai will vote to the other parties! if we start a shromani akali dal here it will end up like india... i gurentee it...

the gurus body was in a human body... as narinder singh said , the human body was used to deliever the messege it is there shabad which stands out... His shabad has so much raas in it...Guru sahibs shabad was mahan but not his body... jus to go a little off topic but not really that is why photos of guru sahib are not needed... these photos have now turned into statues.... because i have seen them myself... and that will lead to moortee pooja.... and bhraman maat will come back eventually if we dont discard these photos... so in conclusion the shabad of the guru was great... that is why we refer to guru granth sahib ji as shabad guru...

Sardar Sher Singh, Have you read the book? have listened to his book at least? I need to ask you this questions first then i will answer you

Dont worry you will get it... just make sure i get full safety there... i dont want anything happening to me... is reading gurbani a bad thing? i think you dont want me to read gurbani do you? is it bad that i read gurbani sher singh? Gurbani marre hai? oh balle terai... oh bhrawa I do follow panthic maryada.. i do waheguru the jaap in the morning and do it on my free time.... or repeat bani which is memorized... like i said before it is too get you started in the morning... befoe nitnem banian but yet you still dont follow akal takht maryada... who are you to say you doint follow panthic maryada... too bad we have vedenti in korsi if it was someone who had some sort of budhhee something would have been done by now

vijaydeep you just want to read triya charitars... your just trying to argue it because you are in love with them... do i look like joginder singh to you... Vijaydeep what do you want to happen? When these taksalis have control of every gurdwara what do you expect.... you people just out for a fight... cant do vichaar.. Is giving Gurmeet singh P.A who was advisor of beant singh a soripa ok? didnt taksal do this? doing havan at metha chaunk.. leing for over 21 years about the shaheedi of baba jarnail singh jis shaheedi? which shows that baba jarnail singh was a coward... in which he wasnt... he was a singh who fought till the end... but yet these people still have hope and will never move on... there are still stuck at june 7,1984 satgur kirpa karee Admin Note: Warning given for attacking taksal jatha for the past few days.

ok first of all go and read the article... you are saying what you have been told... You are avoiding my question again about the meat issue you have changed the topic again... Its not hard to answer... In the video he said if one wants to do waheguru gurmantar they can but he rather read bani... there is nothing wrong with that is there??? Reading Gurbani isnt a bad thing? Secondly He reffered to Gorakh DHanda as repition if we jus repeat one word and dont read gurbani at all.... Does it say how much time to do it in the morning? We do Waheguru jaap to get us ready for our day... We should remember the name of akaal purkh everywhere not just in the morning... it is to get our brain going and to focus on that one path.... he agreed with what he said as per panthic maryada.. it has no time on there or you on a mission or something???? If he says not to read Gurbani i understand but what he is encourging is to read bani follow panthic maryada as per Sri akaal Takht sahib... Ok whats your name you forgot to put that... you could be anyone... ill go to tapoban and then go looking for who? i need to tel vedenti your name im not gonna put S SINGH on the Hukumnama... there is a countless S SINGH's in the world

I dont understand why you put Gurbux Singh Kala Afghana and Inder Singh Ghugga together... kala afghana-ghagga? As i have said several times Panthic Maryada is supreme... Prof Inder Singh Ghagga has said on radio before as well that jaap sahib, sawaiye and chopai are bani as per panthic maryada he accepts it... In the debate he says whatever is in Sikh reyat maryada he accepts... and then why you keep saying reffering to him as kala-afghana-ghagga... What about you... what about the meat issue... what right do you have to go against panthic maryada on meat issue... you first get your facts straight then go on talking about someone else and how they dont accept certain tings in panthic maryada... Look at your self before you judge anyone... On your next post please say whether you are with panth or not on meat issue and per sri akaal takht sahib maryada... if you are not then you are Panth Dhokee... Dont go anywhere else and changbe the subject because that is what your doing If you are not im going to send a letter to vedenti... put your name and adress.. i will come to your house and deliever it.. i live in toronto area

oh brother... First of all i want to tell you something... i dont think you even know the difference between SGPC and Akal Takht.... Secondly as per Akaal Takht Maryada... 3 nitnem Bani are: Jaap Sahib, Japji Sahib, Swaiye Whatever is agreed upon in the panth is bani... i dont understand what your trying to get at... i am trying to stress that if everyone just follow Panthic Maryada, Khalsa Panth will be in Chardi Kala and we could do whateever we wanted... Now I dont want to get a Warning on Meat Issue... and get into a debate with you panth dhokees.... Give me your adress and name im going to report you to vedenti too...

Bilja singh you talk about RSS and so on... Sukhpreet Singh Udoke... He talked about how hindu granths say hanuman gave keshara ... and then he with the same taksal who say the same thing... Is guru nanak sahib apart of luv/kush family? kee pyara bhai dharm singh avtar of lao? is saying doing 101 akhand paats , countless mool mantar paats and if you do this you wil get this fal or so on? is this gurmat of bhramanvaad Sayign that baba sunder singh bhindranwale was only born because his father did sukhmani sahib tha paat on one leg? show me where in guru granth sahib ji it says doign paat on one leg? oen day dasam patshah went to go for shakar... they went all day looking for shakar and they couldnt find it... and they said there is a reason as to whhy we didnt shakar... he asked all the singhs to check if they have there kakaars... and one singh didnt have a kanga.... The reaosn they didnt get shakar is because the singh didnt have kangs in his head.... now what does looking for shakar and what does having a kanga in ur head anything to do with the situation... everyone can make there own judgements... When one takes amrit they wont go to hell for 10 000 years.. does this make sense? you can do as much paap you want nothing will happen to you for 10 000 years.... hmm interesting... make your judgement... this is just the very few of the bhramanvaad which is in there books.. secondly We all know the story of sukhpreet singh udhoke who is bought out.... and the scandle... All i am saying that who is wrong should be said is wrong simple is that... no one should hide from the truth... All we sikhs have been doing is keeping what we have in our gurdwaras... people like christain missionry, muslims who go door to door preaching... what we have done is kept everything in gurdwra.. do akhand paats hoping something will come out of it. Akal purkh isnt gonna put everything on the plate for us.. we have to move out hands too... Ok taksal has given so much for the panth from 70 s to 80's as... That doesnt mean that one cannot question there writings... when these people are trying to place there books on the entire panth then the problem occurs... For example... Nanaksar does whatever they want... they dont even come into the scene... they do what they do... not put there books on entire panth... From the startying the real issue was taksal then why not debate about taksal.. why they gotta bring in the little points and make a big deal out of it... ok now he has aplogized for that and yet they are still against him... i dont get these people... they trying to avoid the issue...

We talk about EKTA EKTA EKTA..... we can never have ekta when everyone doesnt fall under Guru Granth, Guru Panth simple as that not a hard concept...

maybe no one saw my thread... or just turned a blind eye http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=21944 there is nothing wrong with his writings now is there? there the 3-4 things which you were against and now those have been taken back right... ????? i gurentee none of you have ever read his books or even listened to him... you just keep saying what other people say... go praise those same people who say hunuman gave keshera to sikhs fateh

In guru granth sahib ji it doesnt say... what 5 kakkars are what are nitnem bani etc... We have to follow panthic maryada as per Akaal Takht... SGPC is just there to implement the maryada and distribute copies... they are the ones which are supposed to enforce it... but we are mno where near that Taksal Akj, go against panthic maryada... When a hukamanama comes it in there favour they go around waving it in everybodys faces... but when someones shows them panthic maryada as per akal takht then they say oh no not panthic mayrada... So please refrain from using akal takht to when it only suits your needs

The date is wrong on the poster in punjabi....

as per sikh reyat maryada : Article IX a. The non-stop reading of the Guru Granth Sahib is carried on at hard times or on occasions of elation or joy. It takes approximately fortyeight hours. The non-stop reading implies continuous, uninterrupted reading. The reading must be clear and correct. Reading too fast, so that the person listening in to it cannot follow the contents, amounts to irreverence to the Scriptures. The reading should be correct and clear, due care being bestowed on consonant and vowel even though that takes a little longer to complete. b. Whichever family or congregation undertakes the non-stop reading should carry it out itself through its members, relatives, friends, etc., all together. The number of reciters is not prescribed. If a person, himself, cannot read, he should listen in to the reading by some competent reader. However, it should never be allowed to happen that the reader carries on the reading all by himself/herself and no member of the congregation or the family is listening in to the reading. The reader should be served with food and clothing to the best of the host's means. c. Placing a pitcher, ceremonial clarified-butter-fed lamp, coconut, etc. around, during the course of the uninterrupted or any other reading of Guru Granth Sahib, or reading of other Scriptural texts side by side with or in the course of such reading is contrary to the gurmat (Guru's way). Commencing the Non-Stop Reading (Akhandpath) I would like to stress B i cannot find it at the momment in sikh reya maryada but it also states that only one thing should be done at a time... ex. when paat is going on kirtan shouldnt go on at the same time... what laha will the person get from either one of them... they cant understand or listen to any of them... it is pakhand.... i have seen this with my own eyes it is unbelieveable

i dont think there is anything wrong with giving out candys or anything... its just a fun time for the kids... nothing wrong.. obviously on the basis of sikh principals there is no such thing as bhoot or bhrait but this is just some excuse for the kids to get a few chocolates and have a good time... smile :D

and to add to that, the SGPC and other so called sikh missionaries are displaying wrongful act, and should be ousted out by the sangath. Silly people have no respect of Guru ji, hence they should go to hell! May akaal purkh show the path of gurmat... badal and his thugs including vedenti and sgpc are all corrupted i would like to tell hardeep singh for his knowledge the SGPC and sikh missionary collage are different things... please get your facts straight

This agreement letter was made on the 20th of october... with prof darshan singh ji... the sandesh came out on the 21st hmmm kind of odd eh this looks like a little game too mee.... http://www.<banned>.com/News/

First Read then Lets Talk :D or listen Bilja Singh you think i havent understood guru sahib and i think you havent... simple as that I follow guru sahib as shabad guru and his shabad which is so beautiul to me.. you just do worship on the outside but dont see what is true shabad in my view.. Is guru sahib Jesus Christ just like he disappeared? When guru nanak sahib gave gurghadee to guru angad sahib... guru nanak was still in his body but he bowed to guru angad sahib and said he is guru... He said to sangat dont come to me now i gave my messege but the same shabad of one guru is now comming from guru angad dev jithis proves that guru sahib is just not the body it is the shabad!!!!! He is shabad guru... i dont think we are even passed this stage i dont have much time right now to post fateh

Again like i said before what proof did anyone have? Where did Rattan Singh Bhangu, Santokh Singh get there proof??? Please answer this question? On our stages at this momment people are doing katha of these "ethasic granths" but where did these people get there base.. The truth of the matter is whatever makes sense and whatever fits the philosphy of guru granth sahib ji is the only base we have... Like i said again how does one get shaheed if they dont faint? please tell us what happened to guru sahib after he was on tatee tavee.... did the tavee go cold? or is it something else i am not aware of? I sense a like of knowledge on my part then.. these are just 2-3 pages off the entire book who is gonna talk about the 400 points which have been raised??? if no one likes to read here they can at least listen the book is on audio now Sada Bera Aiyo Garkiya Audio: http://singhsabhacanada.com/audio.php?Topic=14 Fateh

S Singh thank you for your reply "At the tapoban meeting many people came with Ghagha Sahib. Maybe they were not all part of Ghagha Sahib's group, but just neutral people who just arrived there to watch the debate. In any case, Ghagha Shahib was not mistreated by anyone at Tapoban sahib. " I tottally agree no one was miss treated it was a great atmosphere. Kulbir singh and Prof Inder singh where the only two to speak. Mainly. "Ghagha Sahibs party changed the meeting place atleast 4 times because did were trying to avoid debating. Singhs waited 9 am as that was the time set for the debate. But Ghagha Jees party did not show up or even have the courtesy to phone. Finally when the Singhs phoned, after waiting for 2 hours, Ghagha Jees group was making all sorts of excuses for not debating. Then Kulbir Singh Jee and Ghagha Sahib talked directly with each other on the phone without any of the middle men, and both agreed to meet at a nearby neutral singhs house. And your claim that 100 people arrived is such an over exaggeration. Barely 10 extra people arrived and not one person laid a finger on Ghagha Sahib or any of his men." The meeting place was set for 9 am... Then Ghagga sahib got a call and said theyre were approx 100 people at 9 am.. so prof went to somebodys house and waited when it quieted down so the people who are debateing can debate what are 100 people gonna do? This place changed 3 times... on Saturday night the meeting was set for the singhs house which the meeting was at... and then in the morning the meeting changed to someone elses house... and then the meeting changed again to the same persons house where the meeting was supposed to happen... Prof Inder singh wanted to know where the meeting was held and we should know the person... so it ended up in the same place where it was supposed to happen. i am not talkin about 100 people during the debate i am talking about the setting at 9 am... "Ghagha Sahib claims that simply living a good life is Naam. He derogatorily saying that people who naam Jap as doing "Ghorakh Danda". Furthermore, he even says that Sikhs doing banis every day is no different from brahmans doing their Jantar mantar. This is insulting. This is against Akal Takht Maryadha which tells us to naam jap and to do nitnemi banis every day. Now this would be considered Ghorakh Danda and Totta Rattna to Ghagha Jee. International Akali, were you their at the second debate? if you were then we must have met each other." If you listen to him carefully S singh he says that Reading Gurbani , Listening , Understanding it and applying it to your jeevan is naam.... he says two simple words arent naam... Waheguru jap is a way he says to remeber akaal purkh but if one has the desire to read gurbani and study it instead, what is wrong with that i dont understand? If he rather read guru granth sahib instead of repeating two words the entire day i certainly dont see anything wrong with that... Sikhs who do bani everyday and dont understand a word in there and just read it because they are told to then it is totta rattan no difference... there has to be something in guru granth sahib ji which so special... during guru sahibs times look how many sikhs there were.. but now no one is living a gursikhi jeevan and everyone is going towards kaam, khroad, loh, moh hankar... Not saying that i am not trapped in those illneses but trying to read gurbani more and more dunerstand it and try to get away from those vices... Yes i was at both debates

If i offended anyone i apologize... first off like i said before on the guru nanak dev ji issue on meat i dont agree with him on everything... but firstly we talk about gurbani being past science... science is on the ground and gurbasni is way up at the ceiling..... "There is nothing wrong with studying other religious books. Please provide any reference from Gurbani that proves me wrong." Yes there is nothign wrong with studying other relgious books but they havent even studied guru granth sahib.. so the hindyu maat is obviously going to creep in.. Baba gurbachan singh is a student of pandits and nirmalais.... After they were done studying hiundu granth they started on farid koot wala teeka which is also made my nirmalais... "This is only your personal belief and has no basis from Gurbani. As Bhai Kulbir Singh said: two wrongs don’t make it right. Just because dhadhis say it doesn’t make it right. As Sikhs we must evaluate every sakhi on the basis of Gurbani. Guru Sahib did not hunt just any animal. Only those were hunted who Guru Sahib wanted to bless with Muktee. One example is, the snake who was blessed. It was the same snake who used to be a dehdhari guru. Surely, Guru Sahib wouldn’t have eaten the snake afterwards. Guru Gobind Singh Ji hunted a rabbit who turned his back on Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Then Guru Sahib became Joti Jot. Historical books explain the events that took place afterwards i.e. passing Guruship to Guru Granth Sahib Ji. No historic book say that Guru Sahib ate the rabbit. Every animal that was hunted had some link with Guru Sahib and it was their time to get muktee. " bilja singh you say two wrongs dont make a right... so what basis is history on???? now should we find the basis every history point? people are believeing whatever is being said may it be true or may it be false... what is basis? secondly where does it say when guru hargobind sahib play shakar he gave mukhtee??? this is your asumption as well??? we talk about people making up there own opionions when it comes down to themselves they forget about theres... there is nothing wrong with opionions as long as they fit the philosphy of guru granth sahib.... What basis do you haver about the snake sakhi oir the rabbit sakhi... that is a just a load of lies... guru sahib was sent on thisearth to deliuever the messege of akal purkh.. go around to places and give there messege not go and punish rabits and snakes for doing bad things to guru shaib.. What basis did you write this sakhi on please explain in more detail? "Faint doesn’t mean to become Shaheed. If Guru Sahib fainted on the hot iron plate then was he carried to river by Gursikhs and then thrown into it? Just think about it. Defend Ghugga on some rational arguments not by insulting Guru Sahib. Bhai Taru Singh Ji’s scalp was cut off yet he stayed alive for 20 days. Bhai Mati Das Ji was cut into half yet sound of JapJi Sahib was heard from the two pieces. Bhai Anokh Singh Babbar’s eyes were taken out, tongue was cut off, every joint in the body was broken yet he did not faint. Three gursikhs were tied to a tree and wolves were let free to eat Sikhs by taking bite after bite. Sound of “Waheguru” was heard by everyone until they passed away. Yet no one fainted. Guru Sahib-giver of life, who controls death, could never have fainted. If he fainted then you are implying that He could no longer bear the pain of torture which is false because if His Sikhs can undergo so much pain and never faint then it was not a problem for Guru Sahib either. Ghugga has admitted that these statements are his own assumptions, not backed by any source. " there is no doubt guru sahib was great.. he was no ordinary person.. he could withstand more pain the the average person beccause he was one with god... that is why gursikhs like bhai mani singh, bhai mati das bhai sati das and other great gursikhs attained shaheedi because they are one with god... We talk about guru arjun sahib giving shaheedi... can you tell me at one point did he become shaheed??? 1-10 days later.. 20-days.. as far as my understanding goes he attained shaheedi right after when he was placed on tatti tavee... i may be wrong please correct me if i am... so now how does one attain shaheedi? either guru sahib had fainted or i dont know what happened please tell me... ok singh you knwo more then me... what happened to guru sahibs body... what did they do to it after he joti jot??? where were his last minutes and how did he become shaheed?? "This shows how low of an opinion one can have of His Guru just to defend a human being. Vasu Bharadwaj is just one example (his video is available online and so is his contact. Ask him for his illness reports) who was cured by Gurbani. Another police officer from Maharashtra was cured from blindness. A Radha Soami family had leprosy and was cured the day after they took Amrit. These miracles happen so people like us can learn something and never forget our Guru Sahib. Panthic Weekly has no right to question if Ghugga is a Sikh but you have the right to ask why Guru Sahib did not do such and such? What was the dire need of Guru Sahib to “cure” himself? What benefit could that have brought? He never fell in love with physical body or any materialistic things. Only us humans do that." i would like to say one thing... We call guru granth sahib ji shabad guru... When guru sahib talks about illneses he talks about the ilness of kaam khroad loh moh hankar... We hear of so many akhand paats around the world happening and sukhamani sahib thai paat to stop illneses such as cancer... Imagine how many akhand paats happen in the world today... almost 100,000 or more happen daily.... shouldnt illneses such as cancer leprosy bird flu all dissapear... can you tell how many akhand paats do we need to do to stop all theses desises im sure the united states and England and various other countries will do something so they can find a cure for cancer.. they will have a million akhand paats done if it can all cure cancers... someone should givbe the president a shout out...I am kind of surprised only non sikhs are on those lists? shouldnt there be millions of people being cured because of how many akhand paats per year... this is the bhakhand and joke we have made of gurbani... When guru sahib made shabad he made it so we can live a gursikhi jeevan and make a jeevan which will better are life and make us one toward god... "These insulting comments of yours about Guru Sahib’s Kakkars show what kind of a Sikh you are. A true Sikh would never even think about insulting Kakkars." I didnt intend on insulting anything i had never seen karas that big ever in my life.. and is gandasa a new kakar that tapoban made up? "Did he ask you to represent him? Everyone can watch the video and make their own decisions. He doesn’t even accept his own school’s teachings. It is not about what he believes but about insulting comments you have written just to defend one human being." i wrote that comment before the video was up i didnt see the video up and i was posting my thread.. You talk about basis people like yourself say akal takht reyat maryada isnt panthic maryada... who is against the panth now and who isnt.. why use sikh reyat maryada when you like to use it... why not use it on the meat issue as well... I am no way trying to say everything ghagga says is right.. Everyone makes mistakes... Hardeep singh you need anger managment classes... if you wanna slice someones head off go slice KPS gill or Bhinraywala.. you people talk all the <admin-profanity filter activated> behind your computer screen about im gonna do this im gonna do that. Get out of your outhouse and do somethign if you are claiming to slice of profs head... "So ''International Akaali'' his remark about 'Guru Arjan Dev was not based on any historical or GURBANI evidence (as YOU claim) but his own opinion. I'm sure you're only on the bandwagon because you recieve royalites from every book sold. " no sorry i dont recieve any commsion for every book sold...

OK where do we start... hmm ok lets start from the article by panthic weekly i will go down the points which are stated in the articles which are total lies... " Inder Ghagga loses debates to Panthic Singhs in Toronto " Wow its pretty sad to say that these so called panthic singhs determine of who is a singh of the guru and who isnt! The Singh in Inder Singh Ghagga has either been mistakingly forgotten or it might be an error? Or perhaps these so called panthic singhs just didnt intend to put singh in his name so they are the ones who determine who is a singh and who isnt. Prof has taken khaday battai tha amrit as far as i know one who has becomes a singh... just would like to point out a few things " Instead of utilizing sound logic and Gurbani as a basis of their arguments they often resort the ridicule and sarcasm in a sign of desperation and lack of confidence." this is quite interesting because if you listen to his audios or read his book when he ever he writes on the basis of what is written in guru granth sahib ji... maybe that isnt considered gurbani to "panthic singhs" ... listen to the video he presents puts forward by gurbani on veechar with one another... "When he spoke at Mayfield Gurdwara Sahib, in Brampton Ontario two weeks ago, a melee broke our between his supporters and members of Panthic organizations who charged that he was spreading anti-Sikh propaganda and was insulting respected Sikh personalities in his books and on stage. Ghagga in his book "Sada Berra Kio Garkia", he has harshly criticizes various Gursikhs and key Sikhi concepts." may i please ask who are these so called poanthic orginizations??? are these the same panthic orginizations who consider tra charitars as bani or dont accept sikh reyat maryada??? and who are these so called respected personalities who follow hindu maat and are students of pandits, nirmalais... and first studied vedas, ramyan and other hindu granths before even starting to read guru granth sahib ji as stated in there book!" "That there is no such thing as the power of Naam. Naam simran that involves reciting of Gurmantar (as instructed in the Panthic Sikh Rahit Maryada) is Pakhand [hypocritical], he refers to is ‘Gorakh Dhandha.’" There is two different types of naam which are debated by prof inder singh and kulbir singh.... Bhai kulbir singh says naam is waheguru jaap only... while prof says naam is gurbani itself..... There is two different sides as to what the power of naam is... Bhai Kulbir singh says by doing waheguru jaap you can do certain chamitkaars so on... he also says that totta raatan of the same word being repeated is not acceptable... now i would like to say is how much time would be considered totta rattan? 15 min,m 30 min, hour, 2 hour, 3 hour.... that is a question for him to answer... also in sikh reyat maryada it says to do waheguru jaap in the morning before nitnem... now it doesnt say how much time it just says do waheguru jaap... i would like to add that akal purkh says to remember him forever and always... doing waheguru the jaap is just a way to get you started for doing nitnem to remember akal purkh... we should akal purkh on are minds always... As for the Gorakh Dhanda as the title that in the next edition he will remove that.... He said everyones makes mistakes when they write he will correct that in the next edition of his book.... "Guru Nanak Sahib Ji ate Halal meat under pressure, when he visited Mecca." This is a topic that gets a lot of people heated... My personal belief is that whatever he ate we dont know... i would like to say that what did guru hargobind sahib do... when you hear of "dhadis" say guru sahib went in the forest and played shakaar... what does that mean? that means he went and killed animals and ate them... he didnt just go there and kill them for fun... if we hear of other guru sahibs eating maas why does it hurt so much that guru nanak sahib ate maas they are all one jot... "Siri Guru Arjun Dev Ji fainted when he was tortured because he could not withstand the pain. In other words, he views all of the ten Guru Sahibs as ordinary humans beings." Guru sahib is shabad Guru... Guru sahib was a person in a human body... The thing that is so special about the guru is the shabad in which he says... That is why we are all his kids because we are learning from guru sahib and his shabad.... at this day we have the shabad with us in shri guru granth sahib ji.... I dont understand why it is so difficult for people to understand that guru sahib fainted... If guru sahib didnt faint then can someone tell me how he became shaheed? HOW DID GURU ARJUN SAHIB BECOME SHAHEED IF HE DIDNT FAINT! secondly people who say guru sahib was not in a regular human body.. Yes he did feel pain.. but the pain didnt effect him one bit because hwas one with god and he knew the time came... It was his mind that felt no pain.. Guru harkrishan sahib attained guruship for about 5 years... and his joti jot came at when he was just at the age of 7... guru harkrishan became ill and passed away... and the guru ship went to guru tegh bahadhur sahib... now if we say guru sahib was in a regular body how come guru harkrishan sahib left this world at the tender age of 7... could guru sahib not stop his illness??? he was guru we hear of people doing akhand paats and sukhmani sahib thai paat and we hear of cancer getting cured by akhand paat... but yet guru sahib couldnt not get cured himself... this is just a bhakhand which people have put in us... Guru sahibs shabad is mahan.. "He wrote very harshly against Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwalay and other respected Panthic personalities, often ridiculing them in a offensive manner. " This is a tottly different subject we will make an another thread and discuss... this topic was not even debated on.. everyone became panthic no taksali could be found! no one wanted to discuss the issue.. "He is a also a ferocious supporter of meat eating." This so called panthic weekly website promoted sikh reyat maryada half the time and doesnt promote it the other half... they put in brackets (sikh reyat maryada) beside the waheguru jaap complaint but forgot to put sikh reyat maryada in the the meat eating issue... panthic weekly= hypocrites "According to witnesses present there, "He came with about 10-15 of his supporters. The Singhs went in the debate as underdogs and he was full of haumai. Within minutes [of debating], he realized that he was stuck." The meeting at tapoban prof came with 10-15 people???? thats ridiculas.....it was 5 or 6 people i dont know where the number of 10-15 came from i think it was quite the oppisite... either the witness was blind or panthic weekly is just telling a lie to boost there article.. within minutes of debating he relized he was stuck? i dont understand how he was stuck... those guys said he didnt faint while prof said guru sahib had to have fainted with the explonation above... what kind of debate is that.. how was he stuck i dont understand... "According to several eyewitnesses interviewed by Panthic Weekly, Ghagga became so uneasy that he asked for drinking water three times. Witnesses stated that his hands were trembling and he was perspiring heavily throughout the debate. It was clear that the fierce 'debater' Ghagga had lost his bearing" He asked for drinking water three times??? how old is he 70-80 years old what does having a drink of water have anything to do with a debate... his hands were probably trembling because one fo the guys had a gandasa in his hand and two karas which were 2 kilos each hahahahahaha... shameful... "Ghagga lost the entire debate on all subjects and now the some neutral Singhs insisted that another debate be set at a public venue. The date was set for October 1, 2006 at 9am, but Ghagga never showed up. Via third parties, and with great difficulty, he was persuaded to debate and finally the debate was set up for about 4 hours later at 1pm. " Who pulled the outcome of the debate the "panthic singhs" or "panthic weekly" hahahahaha... the next debate was set for 9 am... how many people do you need to debate at most 4-6 from each side... at 9 oclock 100 people were standing outside to doorstep reading to debate hahaha... until everyone was gona and the people who were supposed to debate were left then the debate happened... and still there were peopleleft over there were supposed to be 4-5 from prof inder singhs sid ena d4-5 of other... prof inder singh brang 4-5 and kulbir singh had 14-17.... "It is interesting to note that the Panthic Singhs led by Kulbir Singh did not have any prior public debating experience, yet they were successful in defeating someone such as Ghagga who has spent his entire life in such controversies. Instead of debating on the contentious issues, Ghagga kept digressing and changing subject. This further proved that he could no longer defend himself or his philosophy. " We will see when the video comes on the internet these guys are making the decision already shows you what news reporting skills they have... "Most importantly, Ghagga publicly accepted that Naam Simran is a principal of Gurmat. He accepted that his sakhi about Guru Nanak Dev Ji eating meat in Mecca was his imagination as was Guru Arjun Dev Ji’s fainting incident. " As for the naam simran he said whatever is present in akal takht maryada he accepts... As for the other two subjects he did not accept anything and that is a lie.. we shall see who is telling the truth when the movie comes out... Bhai Kulbir Singh accepted that Kavi Santhok Singh writeer of suraj parkash and raatan singh bhanguu writer of panth parkash are both wrong in the sakhis they have wrote to make guru sahib look bad? now what mission will these "panthic singh start against him?" What base is history written? everyone talks about base of prof.... Whatever is the philosphy of gurmat and makes sense according to gurmat is the only base !!!!!!! Guru granth sahib is our base!!! Isnt lying against the principals of sikhi??? how much can you lie it unbelieveable...... this article should be on lie.com

AKJFOREVER its really make me sad that whatever you think happened there was inspiring.... if one person doesnt agree with you then you him anti panthic... one one person does then you can him panthic... i think i shall call you anti panthic because you peoples arer the ones who reject panthic maryada... who is panthic now please define panthic... AKJ certainly doesnt = panth... taksal certainly doesnt = panth all panthic decsions are based on the teaching of guru granth sahib ji all these so panthic people start the fights.. and when they do they go stright for the dhari and the dastaar... i was there at the gurdwara when it happened and that is certainly not the whole thing.. there was more afterwards when the camera shut off... like a singh said on staghe the people who were doing naam simran were doing baedbi.. as for the reason they protested because its these same people who got exposed When people talk about ekta i think they are out of there minds.... when people like this in the leadership race ekta will never be... ekta will never be until everyone follow guru granth sahib and panthic maryada until then dream on.... one guru one panth fateh

Romie get off your agenda of yousing ur thug tactics.... u people just make me think what will become of you..... u have no answer and then u start swearing... your a little kid who is blind and is just swearing becuase he cant see the truth you say what you are told... dassam granth is bani so on so on... go do your own khoj and use your brain and find out what is bani and what is not if you want me to put up lines from dasam granth which is against teaching of guru granth sahib i will do so just give the signal :TH: panth has decalred baba jarnail singh shaheed why is it so difficult for people to accept this... these guys are just gonna wait for baba jarnail singh to come back... they not gonna do anything themselves... admin shuld take strict actions towards romie and ban him. that language is unacceptable. singh 15 the views of prof can be discussed on another thread like the shaheedi of guru arjun dev ji we should take all the things which is according to gurmat and learn!!! Taksal and its writings can also discussed: ex. khalsa jeevan, gurmat reyat maryada, gurbani paat darshan etc guru granth and guru panth is supreme not no dera