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9 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:
Well then I feel even more ignorant than I did a minute ago. Lol.
Lol at the title "Foreigner guy speaking fluently Punjabi in America"
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On 1/11/2022 at 2:35 PM, dallysingh101 said:
Like alluded to before, Ludhiana itself, seems to have a lot of refugees from Lahore settled therein. Those guys are more 'progressive' and value things like Sikh education and heritage more (?), they seem quite 'cultured' (for lack of a better word) compared to some others, and this could be linked to early colonial reports of Lahore being a sort of educational hotspot during Sikh raj? This might also have influenced Malwa recently?
Plus lots of movements like Rara Sahib, Taksaal etc. It seems like there is a concentration of respectable Sikh institutes there? Ones that haven't outright, full on been corrupted like those in Majha like the Badals have done?
Rara Sahib Mahapurkhs Sant Isher Singh ji (Patiala district) and Sant Kishan Singh ji (from Hisar area of Northern Haryana now) were not from Ludhiana originally. Before them were Sant Attar Singh Ji Reru Sahib wale - Reru Sahib is not in Ludhiana city, and these Mahapurkhs were in Ludhiana district well before partition.
Also, can you give examples of those prominent personalities originally from Lahore who settled in Ludhiana ?
I also think that as Lahore was the 'big city' of Panjab, naturally the biggest educational and media institutions were there.
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End mass jabs and live with Covid, says ex-head of vaccine taskforce
Dr Clive Dix says we should treat the virus like flu
James Tapper, Michael Savage and Robin McKie
Sat 8 Jan 2022 20.00 GMTCovid should be treated as an endemic virus similar to flu, and ministers should end mass-vaccination after the booster campaign, the former chairman of the UK’s vaccine taskforce has said.
With health chiefs and senior Tories also lobbying for a post-pandemic plan for a straining NHS, Dr Clive Dix called for a major rethink of the UK’s Covid strategy, in effect reversing the approach of the past two years and returning to a “new normality”.
“We need to analyse whether we use the current booster campaign to ensure the vulnerable are protected, if this is seen to be necessary,” he said. “Mass population-based vaccination in the UK should now end.”
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On 12/18/2021 at 7:22 AM, shastarSingh said:
Haryana villages are waiting for sikhi parchar but our parcharaks are ignoring haryana.
@shastarSingh jee, is it all of Haryana area and only jaats, or is it specific pinds/areas?
And do you think in Panjab there are even enough pracharaks or should Sikh concentrate on Panjab first ?
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17 hours ago, Guest Lucky said:
My ancestors were Christian, some were even missionaries. Whoops!
Is that @GurjantGnostic...lol
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https://www.thehour.com/news/article/Norwalk-OKs-new-Sikh-religious-center-but-16767437.php
Norwalk OKs new Sikh religious center, but opposing neighbors say fight isn’t over
Jan. 11, 2022
Opposition signs across the street from a vacant lot at 283 Richards Ave. Tuesday, December 7, 2021, in Norwalk, Conn.
Erik Trautmann / Hearst Connecticut Media
NORWALK — After months of contentious debate and hours of public hearing and discussion, the Zoning Commission approved the application for a new Sikh religious center in West Norwalk. However, some neighbors have voiced efforts to continue fighting the project.
The building, to be built at 283 Richards Ave. was approved Thursday in a 5-1 vote, with commissioner Richard Roina as the sole dissenting vote.
The Sikh religious center — called a gurudwara — will be comprised of two main floors and a finished basement, totaling about 18,000 square feet, according to application document
The gurudwara will be run by Guru Tegh Bahadur Ji Foundation, which opened its West Avenue location more than 20 years ago. The foundation purchased the 1-acre Richards Avenue plot in November 2020 for $275,000, according to city land records.
“Putting aside fear and conjecture and speculation and unsubstantiated claims, the comments from the public relate to four areas: Traffic use, density, parking and impact on property values,” said attorney Liz Suchy, who represents the foundation.
As part of the application, the foundation had a third party conduct a traffic study, assuring the commission there would be no significant impact to the area, particularly as the gurudwara’s busiest times are Friday evening and Sunday morning, when there is little traffic.
The center will be capable of seating 240 people, though most services are attended by about 60 people, Suchy has said. The parking lot will include 53 spaces.
A live-in priest will inhabit one of two bedrooms planned for the building, while the other will be reserved for traveling guest speakers and performers, Suchy said.
Leading up to the decision, hundreds of people wrote to the commission, both in opposition to and support of the project, with concerns over traffic generated by the temple and the lack of parking, despite the project meeting all requirements for a religious special permit in a residential zone.
“I have to agree with attorney Suchy that they meet all of the requirements for a special permit,” commission Chair Louis Schulman said. “So, for me this is not difficult. What is difficult was listening to as many hours as we did of comments from the public which included so much misinformation, and not necessarily purposeful misinformation.”
Commissioner Galen Wells echoed Schulman, adding many of the residents who spoke against the project may have been unknowingly uninformed.
“I know a lot of the people who spoke against the project — and they’re good people, I don’t think they’re bigots or narrow-minded — but I think sometimes they were mistaken. A lot of these fears just will not come to fruition,” Wells said. “I live very close to the proposed temple and I drive all the time past that corner. I understand during rush hour it’s got lots of traffic. It’s very difficult, but the temple is only going to create traffic on Friday nights and Sunday afternoons. I know from my experience there’s no traffic at those times.”
In addition to the letters sent to the city, a group of neighbors in the Richards Avenue area gathered more than 600 signatures for a petition not to approve the building, spearheaded in part by Kelly Danziger, who lives across the street from the project.
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https://www.globalvillagespace.com/us-state-passes-resolution-condemning-1984-sikh-massacre/
US state passes resolution condemning 1984 Sikh massacre
The resolution condemned the brutal murder of over 30,000 Sikhs who were hunted in their homes and were hacked and burned alive. The New Jersey Senate will present the resolution to President Joe Biden, Vice-President Kamala Harris, and other top govt officials.
New Jersey, a state in the US, passed a resolution condemning the 1984 Sikh massacre in India, calling it genocide. The New Jersey Senate will present the resolution to President Joe Biden, Vice-President Kamala Harris, and other top govt officials.
To clarify, in 1984, then Prime Minister of India, Indira Gandhi ordered the Indian Army to attack the Harmandir Sahib complex in Amritsar, Punjab. Sikhs worldwide criticized the army action and many saw it as an assault on their religion and identity. As a result, clashes erupted between the Sikh community and the Indian government.
Moreover, Indira Gandhi’s Sikh bodyguards assassinated her in retaliation to her orders. The assassination led to anti-Sikh riots across India, killing over 17000 Sikhs, and displacing around 50,000.
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On 1/4/2022 at 12:40 AM, justasking said:
report these fudhs https://www.tiktok.com/@datpakistanipunjabi https://www.tiktok.com/@rated_gabru who makes fun of rape oh i forgot these r suls they learnt from one the biggest fudhs in history
Have you reported it , jee?
I wrote to Sikh PA, this is their reply
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14 hours ago, jkvlondon said:
please note in his youth he wore his dharda parkash and a gol dastar but post brainwashing he started wearing the ghulami bhes of Patiala shahi pagg and fixo tied beard and NOW he looks like a typical kenyan sikh with turban but trimmed beard .
This is a broken man .
What type of dastaar do the men in your family tie?
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Dr Anthony Fauci warned at a Senate committee hearing that the US faced an “urgent need” for a so-called super vaccine that would be more effective at preventing new variants of Covid-19 and other coronaviruses.
“Looking ahead in the context of the inevitable continual emergence of new variants, the importance of developing a pan-coronavirus vaccine, namely one that would be effective against all SARS-COVID-2 variants, and ultimately against all coronaviruses, becomes even more apparent,” he told the senators on Tuesday.
He added that there was an “urgent need for such an effort”, and added that NIAID was making significant progress on the issue.
Such a vaccine would theoretically be effective against not only Covid-19, but a wide range of diseases that fall under the coronavirus umbrella, including the common cold.
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On 1/10/2022 at 8:01 PM, Kau89r8 said:
Yes, i thought MirPuris Pakistani Punjabi because in the UK they seem to have certain traits (can you guess lol)
Thats really interesting ...a snake charmers..
You in the UK?
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https://southasiablog.wordpress.com/2014/01/03/religious-map-of-punjab-before-partition/
A quick primer on Punjab in 1947: Most of the undivided Punjab region was part of the British Indian province of Punjab. Some medium-sized princely states were sprinkled in as well. Most Punjabi speakers lived in Punjab, though some lived (and still live) in what was then called the North West Frontier Province. The southeast and northeast of Punjab province was inhabited by non-Punjabi speakers. The Punjab region was home to about 35 million people, roughly 4/5ths of whom lived in Punjab province, the remaining 1/5th in the princely states.
The Punjab had seven cities with populations over 100,000. The capital, Lahore was the largest with 630,000, followed by the Sikh holy city, Amritsar, which housed 390,000. The other five were Rawalpindi, Multan, Sialkot, Ludhiana, and Jalandhar, all with populations between 100,000 and 200,000. All but Jalandhar and Rawalpindi had Muslim majorities. Those two had Muslim pluralities (or, if you prefer, Hindu+Sikh majorities). The overall religious distribution in Punjab, including the princely states, was 53% Muslim, 30% Hindu, 14.6% Sikh, 1.4% Christian, and 1% Other. Muslims were concentrated in the west, Sikhs in the center, and Hindus in the east. Hindus were also relatively prevalent in cities and Sikhs in rural areas.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Province_(British_India)#Demographics
Interesting
Population trends for major religious groups in the Punjab Province of the British India(1881–1941)[35] Religious
groupPopulation
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% 1891Population
% 1901Population
% 1911[a]Population
% 1921Population
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% 1941Islam 47.6% 47.8% 49.6% 51.1% 51.1% 52.4% 53.2% Hinduism 43.8% 43.6% 41.3% 35.8% 35.1% 30.2% 29.1% Sikhism 8.2% 8.2% 8.6% 12.1% 12.4% 14.3% 14.9% Christianity 0.1% 0.2% 0.3% 0.8% 1.3% 1.5% 1.5% Other religions / No religion 0.3% 0.2% 0.2% 0.2% 0.1% 1.6% 1.3% 1 -
5 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:
Oh and bro. Sleeping on floor? 100.
I grew up in a chirporactic office. Sleeping on the floor. I've never gone back. I regret the brief moments I have had to endure in a bed. They're filthy. They destory your posture. You can't rest right. You're out of alignment. You can't breath right. This whole soft life is a lie. You need firm foorting to have good mechanics. You need a firm, hard, flat sleeping surface. Pillows are for under your legs, or between your knees when on your side and you have to use a blanket etc for a pillow because it changes size. Your pillow size for on your back is like almost zero, and one tour side is equal to the dustance from your ear to the floor.
5 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:Plywood with a blanket on it is what you're looking for. Not literally just in terms of how hard it should be. Beds are redicilous. Japanese futon and rice bean bag pillows are a light-years ahead of beds. And that's more than you need. Bed roll. Some blankets for under the legs, some for on top and under and a small one for the pillow. All small enough you can launder them. You can actually wash your bed that way unlike western people who sleep on secretions to the extent is multiplies the weight of the mattress. Diagusting. Dysfunctional. I'd rather sleep on concrete.
Any examples in mainstream website on where to buy these type of things ?
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1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:
The people teasing his beard must be his fixo uncles, dad and cousins of course we know that he would never mention the truth . I am reading a very good little book by a white Sikh about how Britons came and forced their ideas including beard= dirty narrative on sikhs and how their lapdogs started tying beards and starching dastars unlike the dastars of the sikh fauj with their dhardaan 'parkash' and freshly tied dumalla .
It is one thing to be inferior and another to 'feel' inferior ; this man has ingested his family's lack of spine wholesale for no reason . You can be sure his little one will be even more lax , such a shame
Which book, jee ?
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Sikh clergy, scholars reject Modi’s Veer Baal Diwas — ‘10th Guru’s sons weren’t just brave kids’
PM Modi said Sunday that 26 Dec would be marked as ‘Veer Baal Diwas’. Apex Sikh bodies & scholars say move is appreciable, but the words don't do justice to Sahibzadas’ martyrdom.
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On 12/30/2021 at 4:24 PM, Premi5 said:
@GurjantGnosticwhat do you think about sitting on 'medicine ball' compared to chairs?
https://longevitylive.com/anti-aging/sleeping-floor-japanese/
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3 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
Who were the majority of these people's managers?
If juts don't sort this out amongst themselves, we'll just have a repeat of what happened after 1984 if we have another conflict. This time though, people won't accept all the excuses from juts.
I don't even see how juts can sl@g other jaats off given how deep many have been involved with extreme antiSikh government oppression. It's ridiculous trying to frame juts as some heroes of panth, when hordes of the same people are the actual ground level instruments of oppressing Sikhs via the police and various politicians.
And Dalits have been discriminated against for a long while.
Speaking with a relative recently, they didn't allow other castes to use the same furniture with them at home in the pind if the dalit was visiting, and if they fed them, they would put the utensil/cutlery through fire to give it an extra clean...
I know a family friend who is not happy with Channi as CM of Panjab just because of his 'caste...
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11 minutes ago, 5aaban said:Bhangra is popularly pushed as a "Panjabi Harvest Dance" by our own people. Here's an interesting read about Bhangra and how it was unknown in East Panjab. The crazy Bhangra performances at weddings or silly Bhangra moves on stage are a new invention.
How Not to Dance Bhangra
[Bazaar. London . Summer 1987]
Bhangra isn’t a folk dance, but a spicy mixture of nine Punjabi folk dances – Dhamāl, Gidha, Jalli, Jhummar, Luddi, Pathania, Phumania, Sammi and Sialkoti bhangra
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hangra performed in this country is not authentic; not to speak of the bhangra performed in Bombay films and youth festivals in East Punjab . Parbinder Singh, the captain of the Indian national team for almost ten years during the 70s once told me: “The bhangra is not at all a Punjabi folk dance. I’ve been to almost all the countries in the world and I was ashamed of the dance we performed. It isn’t a folk dance. You could call it something else – bhang’n roll, bhang disco.”
Some years ago in the national competition held in Acton Town Hall , a Southall team even went further – they brought a huge aluminum sheet to give the effect of the Chenab river, to enthuse patriotic spirit a hangman’s noose was hung from the ceiling, muticoloured smoke effects were created. They won the trophy. East Punjabi teams have their own way. They enact scenes of wars with China and Pakistan . Maoists in Canada perform an inqlabi (revolutionary) bhangra – heads of Indian feudal lords, comprador bourgeoisie and leaders of two super powers roll on the stage.
Bhangra as a harvest dance is unknown in East Punjab . The first ever public show was performed by one Manohar Deepak for visiting Russian leaders Bulganin and Khrushchev at Nangal in 1953. He took this dance to Bombay before it became a part of Indian Republic Day celebration floats. East Punjab State public relations department adopted it for its crude propaganda. Master Tara Singh, the Sikh Akali leader, called these cultural programmes as kanjral (pimp) shows, thus demonstrating his incapacity to comprehend cultural issues and the vulgar approach of the India state towards culture and arts.
None of my acquaintances – young and old – ever saw bhangra performed in open fields. However, bāzigars (folk acrobats) beating drums during the wheat harvest used to be a common sight. The sickle moves faster and makes the work less tiresome. Disco-like bhangra, which is performed on Punjabi weddings by men and women together, is a recent thing. West Punjabi refugees brought this healthy tradition to East Punjab , otherwise sexually-mixed dance was unimaginable in pre-Partition days.
It is heartening to note that in West Punjab bhangra has not been vulgarised. It is still performed in its pure form in two carnivals. People start making preparation three months ahead; sangs (groups) from different areas throng to Sakhi Sarwar on horses and camels. Men and women join hands and dance in circle; the drummer remains the hub of the choreography.
Punjabi folklore has been introduced in post graduate curriculum in East Punjabi universities. Dr Nahar Singh is an authority on the subject. Once a bhangra dancer himself he says: Bhangra isn’t a folk dance, but a spicy mixture of nine Punjabi folk dances – Dhamāl, Gidha, Jalli, Jhummar, Luddi, Pathania, Phumania, Sammi and Sialkoti bhangra.
Jhummar and Sammi are common dances and could be incorporated in bhangra, but Gidha, women’s dance, shouldn’t be jumbled with bhangra. Jhummar is basically a dance of slow movements; some of its movements can go with bhangra but in stages – i.e. from Sialkoti to Phumania and then Jhummar. But in modern bhangra Jhummar is given double beat, which looks like Punjabi women’s lamentation.
In India bhangra is the only dance which does not reflect any aspect of the life of its origins – though its fast beat and evocation symbolise Punjabis’ chivalry, robustness and virility. The modern bhangra is nothing but reckless beating of drum and gymnastics. The British teams have also included gatka (sword playing). Needless to say all this is done to imitate cheap Bombay films.
What is needed is a bhangra with the character of Punjabi heritage blended with new innovations in choreography and design. Silly gestures, spicy beats, unnecessary commentaries, vulgar songs and theatricality need to be discarded once for all. But who would face the music?
'Bhangra' as far as I can tell, is not popular in my parents' Ludhiana area. I might be wrong.
'Bhangra' artists are disproportionately higher of Doaba and UK Panjabis.
non-Bhangra Panjabi music in Eastern Panjab has been dominated by Malwai artists such as all the Maans
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23 minutes ago, 5aaban said:
You're right, Majha region has greatly contributed to Sikh history. However, only Tarn Taran Sahib has 93.33% Sikhs in Majha region. Amritsar is 68.94% Sikh and Gurdaspur district is only 43.64% Sikh.
Malwa region's western districts also appear to be strongholds of Sikhs.
Moga: 82.24%
Barnala: 78.54%
Mansa: 77.75%
Faridkot: 76.08%
Bathinda: 70.89%
Sri Muktsar Sahib: 70.81%
Doaba seems to be a lost cause, Sikhs only make up the majority in Kapurthala district (55.66%).
Nawansheher: 31.50%
Jalandhar: 32.75%
Hoshiarpur: 33.92%
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Doaba has always had a high Hindu population and since it's the NRI belt of Punjab, many Doabi Sikhs moved to other countries.
Sikhs generally more rural , hence Amritsar (which contains City), Ludhiana, Jalandhar districts percentage of Sikhs are lowered by higher non-Sikh in city.
Doaba had high Muslim population prepartition.
The other districts you quoted don't have big cities.
It's interesting to know more about the western part of Malwa, since not many NRI's are from there, and we don't hear much about the area in the news. However, politically it is significant due to Badal family.
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Entire haryana village hasn't used tobacco for 400 years!
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Where (which institution) do these Pracharaks come from ?
Which are the best places to teach Pracharaks that you know of?
Sangat cannot 'force' anyone to do anything in my opinion. The main way to motivate , is to pay the Pracharaks well. I've said it before, we should financially reward these Pracharaks well. But where does that money come from ?